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Connie Canada's avatar

Ethnic Cleansing in the US. I think so many of us are still in shock and feel like our hands are tied behind our backs as we don't have the support of the legal system to put this in check. The regime wants a war to justify their behavior.

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I would warn people from other countries not to come here, and if you have to come, bring a burner phone, a cheap Android smartphone, and get a chip put in at a cellphone store once you’re here. They’ve been taking phones away to scroll through and search for anti-Drumpf or other disfavored opinions before they’ll let you in the country. If you’re American going abroad, do the same, because they’ll do it to you, too. They’re drunk with the abuse of power, don’t let them see anything except vacay photos and maybe a translation website.

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Pat Dumond's avatar

While I understand the instinct to try and avoid doing anything to make the situation worse, i.e., violence, I don't think it will make a difference. Some ICE agent will push someone too far and someone will react. They'll call that the "violent incident" that clears the way forward for sending in the National Guard and/or active duty Marines or soldiers. Just like they called a woman putting out her arm to avoid being knocked to the ground by the ICE agent who was charging towards her with the intent to throw her to the ground "felony assault". Protecting yourself from police brutality is not assault. It's self-defense. I don't WANT violence, but the truth is I fear that if we aren't willing to fight fire with fire we will be burned and never get our country back. We can't wait for the mid-terms because they might never get here and Trump might well have the election rigged if it does happen.

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Sumeeta's avatar

Violence will make us LESS likely to get our country back. Empirically, looking at movements all over the world, Chenoweth and Stephens found, "Countries where resistance campaigns were nonviolent were 10 times as likely to transition to democracy compared to countries where resistance turned violent" https://www.hks.harvard.edu/faculty-research/policy-topics/advocacy-social-movements/paths-resistance-erica-chenoweths-research

Nonviolence isn't a moral stance, it's a strategic one.

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Pat Dumond's avatar

I’m not disagreeing with you, really. I agree that non-violence is the best course to take. I just don’t see how it can be avoided when the other side is reveling in violence. In the end, the β€œviolent” action that gives them an excuse to start rolling tanks in the street could very well be someone raising an arm to keep a baton from cracking their skull and that upraised arm touching an ICE agent instead of being broken by his arm. I’m definitely in the don’t trhow anything at them, don’t surround them too menacingly (although they are usually the β€œsurrounders”) camp. I remember Kent State.

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Katherine B Barz's avatar

To counter this abuse by ICE, bystanders are advised to keep their phones on, and on video. With enough videos of this mayhem caused by ICE, filmed and uploaded to social media platforms, responsible people will demand and get change.

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Clayton Badeaux's avatar

The sad part is that Americans, who supposedly highly value their freedom, democracy, and independence, are not willing to oblige the child molester currently shacked up in the White House and his crew of flunkies.

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