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Alexandra Barcus's avatar

Of course you are right. But not all those who would be affected this time were affected last time. We were also not in the middle of supporting a war. And we did not get a credit downgrade as a result. This Congress will be responsible for two downgrades. That is serious and unprecedented.

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knowltok's avatar

Not following you on the, "We were also not in the middle of supporting a war."

The last three shutdowns were in the middle of US wars.

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Alexandra Barcus's avatar

I stand corrected. We were in Afghanistan last time. That was Biden’s big mistake in my book. I don’t think we should have withdrawn all personnel. And we should never have done it the way we did.

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Keith Sherman's avatar

He didn’t have a lot of choice. Trump made the agreement and the timeline. Ive also heard it suggested that the intel assessment was completely imaginary

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JF's avatar

This time the military is affected; last time they weren’t. I wonder if that detail will erode support for Trumpism/MAGA in the ranks of the military.

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Alexandra Barcus's avatar

I think the military is going to be royally pissed off. Not only will they have no pay I’m sure a lot of them have also heard Trump’s statements about people killed in war being losers, or that McCain, a real hero, was a jerk. And down the line Trump’s remarks about General Milley--someone known widely by the rank and file--should be “hung” (not standard English: a painting is hung, a person is hanged). And what does Trump think would have happened to Europe or even the US without those people in uniform being willing to lay down their lives. Of course he knows no history or geography.

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JF's avatar

I agree. And I welcome them to their own tipping point; better late than never. I mean, Trumps egregious disrespect of the military is very old news, starting with imaginary bone spurs that kept him out of Viet Nam.

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