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TomD's avatar

Democrats can do what they want, but it will be business interests who can't find anyone to do the work who will make the difference.

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OJVV's avatar

Don't worry, that's what AI (Musk's Grok, for example) and robots (Musk's Optimus, is on offer) are for...

At some point, it will be LLMs talking to LLMs and giving orders to Robots, but hey...it's just God's will that we go this route.

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TomD's avatar

AI can't put a roof on a house or crawl under to see what's leaking.

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OJVV's avatar

TomD, sure they can. (Keep in mind, my post was sarcastic.)

AI drones, now routinely used for surveying all manner of things, could easily assess if a house needed a new roof or be sent under a home to find a leak (oil and gas send drones down pipelines every single day doing this sort of work). In fact, this is actually a good use for them. Robots and/or other automated equipment, could easily install a roof. To now, the limitation has been computing power and cost. This is not a new phenomenon, btw, it's industrial revolution updated for our current era. When the local population loses the taste for hard work, or becomes to expensive, then immigrant labor fills the hole. They're ultimately replaced by mechanization/automation.

Musk has made it very clear he intends to replace people with his Optimus robots in his production facilities. It's just will and time before this happens.

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J AZ's avatar

OJVV - your formula omitted a key component: moola. Lots & lots.

If you can have a robot for the price of 50 human workers: deal or no deal?

Still waiting for the flying car I read about in 1950тАЩs Popular Science ЁЯЩВ

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OJVV's avatar

Nah. I accounted for that and it's outlined in my statement (history speaks for itself, frankly). What you say was true 10 or 15 years ago, not so much now. As an example, I ran a university rapid prototyping lab back around 2000. We had a 3D printer that cost something in the tens of thousands of dollars. The software and computers to run it were many thousands of dollars. The training to use these items? Years! I know 10 year old kids who have $300 3D printers sitting on their family dining room tables that are BETTER than what that machine I had. They're using $200 tablets for design, using free software and they're making and building stuff that I would have struggled to make 25 years ago.

The car thing, is practicality and safety. It's orders of magnitude more difficult to fly than drive and requires significantly more power to do so. Even nature agrees that flying is plenty doable, but not everyone gets to do it.

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J AZ's avatar

IтАЩve read that Tesla has claimed to have reliable self-driving for years but owners still waiting?

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OJVV's avatar

Meh. My last three cars can do much of the work for me and they're not Tesla.

Just bear in mind, at one point it was believed that humans would never fly and that going faster than 15mph it was impossible for us to breath.

We're surrounded by automation at levels MOST people are unaware of because they're not actively involved with the implementation and utilization. I happen to work in manufacturing and go to factories all over the world. Even in places like China, they're now moving towards high levels of automation vs throwing more people at the problems.

The biggest change has been the rapid drop in cost to develop and implement automated solutions broadly, such that the this technology is intersecting with our normal lives. Nearly anybody with time and will can build an automated drone these days.

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J AZ's avatar

Different tools for different tasks, right? Drones can do certain tasks. Not fully autonomous from what I read. So e.g. Russia brought in DPRK human troops for other tasks.

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TomD's avatar

But they are not presently able to make those repairs.

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OJVV's avatar

Optimus? No.

This guy? https://www.renovaterobotics.com/ Yep.

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TomD's avatar

Well, you got me there. But whatever the guy clambering round in the foreground is doing still falls to us humans...?

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