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Tim Coffey's avatar

I think a better question for Harvard is, "Why is it that the most important educational institution in the United States is turning out so many awful people?" You know, Bannon, Kushner, Cruz, Cotton, McEnany, etc.

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Ellen Hinchee's avatar

I wouldnтАЩt say тАЬimportantтАЭ either, but it definitely has cachet because of how hard it is to get into. And so many of these nutty extremists come out of Harvard and Yale that IтАЩve been asking for a while тАЬWTF are they teaching at Yale Law (or insert Harvard school of your choice)?тАЭ They definitely werenтАЩt brainwashed by the dreaded тАЬwokeтАЭ faculty.

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Tim Coffey's avatar

Whenever I think of the Ivies, I think of Al Pacino's speech during "Scent of a Woman" when his character Frank Slade is ripping it up on behalf of Chris O'Donnell's character, Charlie Simms, at a hearing.

"Makers of men; creators of leaders; be careful what kind of leaders you're producin' here."

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Colleen Kochivar-Baker's avatar

I don't take it as a given that Harvard is the most important educational institution in the States. It may be for politicians and legacy families, but those two groups don't represent very many people.

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Molly Ciliberti's avatar

The Ivy League is living on hubris. You can get a better education at lots of other universities. It is the BS status of the name of the university. My ex taught at Yale and I saw the legacy and daddy donated a building students get their gentlemenтАЩs C and their degree. Harvard is not the most important or best university in the US. It is all a house of cards.

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Tim Coffey's avatar

You're right, but when you look at the fact that Harvard, to borrow from David Frum, is a hedge fund with a university attached to it, Harvard is quite important.

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Colleen Kochivar-Baker's avatar

I grant you that parameter.

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Tim Coffey's avatar

Harvard and its Ivy brethren may be elite institutions, but when I look at the kind of people they're sending out into the world, I cringe.

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BlueOntario's avatar

They offer proof to the accusation that the purpose of "education" is to get rich.

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Tim Coffey's avatar

Or more explicitly, to achieve wealth without paying any sort of price for detestable behavior.

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BlueOntario's avatar

Ethics and morals courses only offered to pad one's GPA.

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Tim Coffey's avatar

Damn. You're more cynical about that than I am. ЁЯШО

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