People are comparing Harris’ momentum to Obama’s in 2008. But this is different and more intense. People know that the stakes are greater now. Obama was running against McCain, who was a conservative and a very decent person. The symbolism of America having a Black president was great. The Harris candidacy is much less about her being a woman or Black than it is about having a competent, smart, honest, capable person as president. The contrast between her and a furious, hateful, intellectually limited Trump could not be greater. Everyone suspected that Biden would lose and the world would suffer. Now, we realize there is a strong movement that will change the direction of the entire 21st century. Either Harris wins or we go into 50 years of the dark ages. The momentum needs to carry us through.
"McCain....who was a conservative and very decent person"
I spent a couple of hours on FoxNews yesterday battling with MAGAs who think that Walz is practically a Benedict Arnold for retiring before his unit mobilized. I constantly brought up the disparity of Walz, who actually did serve, vs Trump who didn't serve and denigrated McCain by calling him not a hero. Most didn't respond at all, but one guy said..."McCain was a despicable guy anyway so it didn't matter"
This is what we're dealing with on the other side these days. The Left speaking more highly about McCain than the Right is.
There is always a fallacy on the GOP’s respect of the military. They elected W twice when facing two Vietnam War vets and destroyed former Senator Max Clelland in Georgia, who was a triple amputee. It has always been the messaging and not substance, and the media feeds this false narrative.
Exactly. Even if he knew of the deployment (which it's pretty clear he didn't), he had every right to retire instead of deploying overseas. The military could have overridden that decision if necessary. Nothing wrong with what Walz did. I'm more troubled by the apparent lies regarding his DUI arrest than I am the stolen valor nonsense.
Yeah, I saw the same thing online last week. The Right throwing McCain under the bus. I guess if they want to keep re-litigating his record, it's more of them wallowing in the past hits, and wallowing in an especially gross one.
Not doubting your comment, Griff, but I'm a Nam vet -medic, 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment- and, had it not been for the Republican nomenklatura torpedoing McCain by leaning on him to put Sarah Palin on the ticket, I would have had a really tough decision to make in the voting booth. In a sense, this is also a response to Kate, and arguing that, in essence, the Right "threw McCain under the bus in '12 with its insistence on Palin.
I'm gratified to see how little the "first woman president," or "first Black/Indian woman president" identity play is being emphasized. I think that 's an old message, and the critical thing is to beat Trump and wound MAGA. Doing that with a woman, man, dog, or potted plant, doesn't matter. Not to compare Kamala Harris to dogs or potted plants, of course!
There's also some issues that transcend the racism and misogyny. Abortion, Project 2025, and the Trump/Vance ticket. Women are driving the vibe and that certainly isn't hurting Harris.
Very true, but the gender gap is concerning. Hopefully concern about the issues you mention and not overly focusing on firsts can keep some likely trump voting guys at home. I know several guys that will never vote for Harris, but maybe they'll stay home.
Jon Favreau had a great discussion with David Axelrod on PSA about the 2008 race. Summarized, McCain was a really good guy with good principles who’d have made a fine POTUS. He just wasn’t Obama.
People are comparing Harris’ momentum to Obama’s in 2008. But this is different and more intense. People know that the stakes are greater now. Obama was running against McCain, who was a conservative and a very decent person. The symbolism of America having a Black president was great. The Harris candidacy is much less about her being a woman or Black than it is about having a competent, smart, honest, capable person as president. The contrast between her and a furious, hateful, intellectually limited Trump could not be greater. Everyone suspected that Biden would lose and the world would suffer. Now, we realize there is a strong movement that will change the direction of the entire 21st century. Either Harris wins or we go into 50 years of the dark ages. The momentum needs to carry us through.
"McCain....who was a conservative and very decent person"
I spent a couple of hours on FoxNews yesterday battling with MAGAs who think that Walz is practically a Benedict Arnold for retiring before his unit mobilized. I constantly brought up the disparity of Walz, who actually did serve, vs Trump who didn't serve and denigrated McCain by calling him not a hero. Most didn't respond at all, but one guy said..."McCain was a despicable guy anyway so it didn't matter"
This is what we're dealing with on the other side these days. The Left speaking more highly about McCain than the Right is.
There is always a fallacy on the GOP’s respect of the military. They elected W twice when facing two Vietnam War vets and destroyed former Senator Max Clelland in Georgia, who was a triple amputee. It has always been the messaging and not substance, and the media feeds this false narrative.
Hard to imagine how Fox can attack a guy who served more that 20 years as an enlisted man - who simply moved on to a new chapter in his life.
Exactly. Even if he knew of the deployment (which it's pretty clear he didn't), he had every right to retire instead of deploying overseas. The military could have overridden that decision if necessary. Nothing wrong with what Walz did. I'm more troubled by the apparent lies regarding his DUI arrest than I am the stolen valor nonsense.
Yeah, I saw the same thing online last week. The Right throwing McCain under the bus. I guess if they want to keep re-litigating his record, it's more of them wallowing in the past hits, and wallowing in an especially gross one.
I know veterans who are throwing McCain under the bus. Very sad.
Not doubting your comment, Griff, but I'm a Nam vet -medic, 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment- and, had it not been for the Republican nomenklatura torpedoing McCain by leaning on him to put Sarah Palin on the ticket, I would have had a really tough decision to make in the voting booth. In a sense, this is also a response to Kate, and arguing that, in essence, the Right "threw McCain under the bus in '12 with its insistence on Palin.
Sure, I could see that!
I'm gratified to see how little the "first woman president," or "first Black/Indian woman president" identity play is being emphasized. I think that 's an old message, and the critical thing is to beat Trump and wound MAGA. Doing that with a woman, man, dog, or potted plant, doesn't matter. Not to compare Kamala Harris to dogs or potted plants, of course!
There's also some issues that transcend the racism and misogyny. Abortion, Project 2025, and the Trump/Vance ticket. Women are driving the vibe and that certainly isn't hurting Harris.
Very true, but the gender gap is concerning. Hopefully concern about the issues you mention and not overly focusing on firsts can keep some likely trump voting guys at home. I know several guys that will never vote for Harris, but maybe they'll stay home.
I'm hoping Tim Walz can start making a small dent in that gender gap. A guy with a gun who is not a complete a**hole but won't be pushed around.
Jon Favreau had a great discussion with David Axelrod on PSA about the 2008 race. Summarized, McCain was a really good guy with good principles who’d have made a fine POTUS. He just wasn’t Obama.
Total 180 from today.