Again please provide evidence. A number of Israeli politicians have been urging genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza. I don’t hear you calling them out.
We already have Elon Musk who is clearly dabbling in Nazism, or at least pushing the edge as far as he can. He’s abhorrent, but his speech is protected as well.
Really? What Israeli politicians have been urging genocide against Palestinians?
Does that include the two million Arab Israelis who live mostly peacefully inside Israel without being brought up from cradle to martyrdom by a terrorizing inhuman totalitarian regime that forces their ctizens to become suicide bombers, soldiers, slaves or hostages to their sick military regime?
Do you support a society that does that to their people. Do you call that free will, or free speech?
How many supporters of Hamas do you think we should allow into our country?
Your changing the subject to Elon Musk ... whataboutism ... is funny because I'd deport him too.
For Israeli politicians: Ben Gvir, Smotrich are two prominent ones. You may also want to look up the activist Bentzi Goldstein who founded Lehava. At his daughter’s wedding the guests stabbed the image of an 18 month old Palestinian child who had died in an arson attack carried out by Israelis in the West Bank: the perpetrators seem to have also attended the wedding.
You are so dishonest I'm not bothering with you any more. Any honest intelligent person would not accept your BS line.
> Nov 21, 2024 — Ben-Gvir is one of leading proponents of ongoing Israeli genocide in Gaza - Anadolu Ajansı.
Because some Hamas advocates says Ben-Gvir is a genocide proponent, that is their words. The fact is that in a population north of 2 million people the deaths of Hamas soldiers and terrorists and around a 1:2 Hamas to "possible" civilian ratio of 40,000 is less than 2%, almost an unheard of ratio in wartime casualties - not a genocide, no matter what anyone says.
It's war, and demonstrably a war of genocide only from the Hamas/Palestinian point of view as they have reiterated over and over again.
The only way that cannot penetrate your reality is if you are knowingly ignorant, or lying in favor of Hamas.
I’m not in favor of Hamas — it is a terrorist organization which has committed crimes against Israelis and Palestinians for which it should be held accountable. But that doesn’t mean Israelis have clean hands in this conflict either.
I suggest maybe you start reading Haaretz which is the Israeli newspaper of record.
> I’m not in favor of Hamas — it is a terrorist organization which has committed crimes against Israelis and Palestinians for which it should be held accountable.
Oh, big talk, but when Israel does that the only possible way it can be done, you cry and make up dishonest defenses for Hamas and call Israel genociders and ethnic cleansers. If that is the only way to solve the problem, ethnic cleansing should be on the table. Israel should not be forced to live next to a society that is locked down by terrorizing repressive force and cannot change or reform to please your idea of what is or is not ethnic cleansing.
The cleanness of hands is something to be determined after this is resolved, not before, because I never see anyone ANYONE arguing about the dirtiness of Hamas's hands, even when they are in the middle of attacking Israel on Oct 7th. Also claiming when they can they will do it again and again.
If the choice is being dead with clean hands or being alive with dirty hands and protecting your civilized way of life against barbarians, the answer is obvious.
Right away it became about the genocide and ethnic cleansing by Israel.
Stop trying to stake out a superior position by telling me what to read, or assuming what I support or what I have no read.
You are so full of it. You - pointing to Haaretz as the Israeli newpaper of record is like someone pointing out Fox News as the media of record in the US, it merely confirm your bias and your dishonest arguments.
Again please provide evidence. A number of Israeli politicians have been urging genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza. I don’t hear you calling them out.
We already have Elon Musk who is clearly dabbling in Nazism, or at least pushing the edge as far as he can. He’s abhorrent, but his speech is protected as well.
Really? What Israeli politicians have been urging genocide against Palestinians?
Does that include the two million Arab Israelis who live mostly peacefully inside Israel without being brought up from cradle to martyrdom by a terrorizing inhuman totalitarian regime that forces their ctizens to become suicide bombers, soldiers, slaves or hostages to their sick military regime?
Do you support a society that does that to their people. Do you call that free will, or free speech?
How many supporters of Hamas do you think we should allow into our country?
Your changing the subject to Elon Musk ... whataboutism ... is funny because I'd deport him too.
For Israeli politicians: Ben Gvir, Smotrich are two prominent ones. You may also want to look up the activist Bentzi Goldstein who founded Lehava. At his daughter’s wedding the guests stabbed the image of an 18 month old Palestinian child who had died in an arson attack carried out by Israelis in the West Bank: the perpetrators seem to have also attended the wedding.
That is totally BS.
You are so dishonest I'm not bothering with you any more. Any honest intelligent person would not accept your BS line.
> Nov 21, 2024 — Ben-Gvir is one of leading proponents of ongoing Israeli genocide in Gaza - Anadolu Ajansı.
Because some Hamas advocates says Ben-Gvir is a genocide proponent, that is their words. The fact is that in a population north of 2 million people the deaths of Hamas soldiers and terrorists and around a 1:2 Hamas to "possible" civilian ratio of 40,000 is less than 2%, almost an unheard of ratio in wartime casualties - not a genocide, no matter what anyone says.
It's war, and demonstrably a war of genocide only from the Hamas/Palestinian point of view as they have reiterated over and over again.
The only way that cannot penetrate your reality is if you are knowingly ignorant, or lying in favor of Hamas.
I’m not in favor of Hamas — it is a terrorist organization which has committed crimes against Israelis and Palestinians for which it should be held accountable. But that doesn’t mean Israelis have clean hands in this conflict either.
I suggest maybe you start reading Haaretz which is the Israeli newspaper of record.
> I’m not in favor of Hamas — it is a terrorist organization which has committed crimes against Israelis and Palestinians for which it should be held accountable.
Oh, big talk, but when Israel does that the only possible way it can be done, you cry and make up dishonest defenses for Hamas and call Israel genociders and ethnic cleansers. If that is the only way to solve the problem, ethnic cleansing should be on the table. Israel should not be forced to live next to a society that is locked down by terrorizing repressive force and cannot change or reform to please your idea of what is or is not ethnic cleansing.
The cleanness of hands is something to be determined after this is resolved, not before, because I never see anyone ANYONE arguing about the dirtiness of Hamas's hands, even when they are in the middle of attacking Israel on Oct 7th. Also claiming when they can they will do it again and again.
If the choice is being dead with clean hands or being alive with dirty hands and protecting your civilized way of life against barbarians, the answer is obvious.
Right away it became about the genocide and ethnic cleansing by Israel.
Stop trying to stake out a superior position by telling me what to read, or assuming what I support or what I have no read.
You are so full of it. You - pointing to Haaretz as the Israeli newpaper of record is like someone pointing out Fox News as the media of record in the US, it merely confirm your bias and your dishonest arguments.
Haaretz is hardly FOX news — they do excellent objective reporting, and have a long established tradition to back them up.