Maybe, but it would have been Dems reluctantly shuffling home. Not the enthusiastic, joyful, dancing, shouting, music festival return home we are seeing now. That matters.
All true. The hopeful voter and the hateful voter and the apathetic voter are counted the same.
I get it Kamala makes us feel better. I love it. I just think she has a less likely chance of winning because old white voters in the rust belt are more likely to vote for an old doddering white man than a smart aggressive black woman.
You could be right. I quizzed my Mom, an 86-year-old white Midwesterner (college educated, lifelong Dem, actually getting more liberal with age) about her friends, D and R, and she says they all hate Trump and the Ds are excited about Kamala, even though most of them also supported Biden. She doesn't know how the Rs will end up voting, but they are extremely alarmed about some of the R candidates for Governor, and getting further from their R roots all the time. Anecdata, I know.
I will be canvassing for Harris in southern WI between Milwaukee and Madison at the end of August. Trump won them by 16 pts in 2020, so I will be meeting some old white folks, who haven't died off yet, of course (that might work in Harris' favor).
Also, there are a lot of old white people - two of my three sibs - who will vote Democratic. They're in IL, which is solid blue because of Chicago (where I grew up). So when you're talking Midwest, you mean in the rural areas. The suburban areas are growing blue.
When IтАЩm talking Midwest IтАЩm only talking about Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. All other Midwest states will vote exactly how they voted for the last 10 years.
Ah. FWIW, Midwesterners don't consider PA to be Midwest. But if you're talking just MI & WI, those suburban areas are leaning blue, so you mean the rural areas.
Yeah, I should have been more clear--my mom's friends, whichever party they are, are all high-education, high-achievement women, so not really the MAGA type (although some of their husbands are MAGA). But they all are old enough to remember the days of no birth control, no abortion access. I remember my mom telling me that there were only 2 girls left in her high school class because all the others "got married" before graduation. Yes, I'm sure there are undercurrents or racism and misogyny, but I think the reproductive freedom message really resonates with this groupl
Maybe, but it would have been Dems reluctantly shuffling home. Not the enthusiastic, joyful, dancing, shouting, music festival return home we are seeing now. That matters.
All true. The hopeful voter and the hateful voter and the apathetic voter are counted the same.
I get it Kamala makes us feel better. I love it. I just think she has a less likely chance of winning because old white voters in the rust belt are more likely to vote for an old doddering white man than a smart aggressive black woman.
God I hope I am wrong.
You could be right. I quizzed my Mom, an 86-year-old white Midwesterner (college educated, lifelong Dem, actually getting more liberal with age) about her friends, D and R, and she says they all hate Trump and the Ds are excited about Kamala, even though most of them also supported Biden. She doesn't know how the Rs will end up voting, but they are extremely alarmed about some of the R candidates for Governor, and getting further from their R roots all the time. Anecdata, I know.
Still good to hear.
I am just guessing and probably projecting my disdain for old white folks in the Midwest for how they have reacted to Trump.
TrumpтАЩs political career should have been ended long ago and yetтАж.
I will be canvassing for Harris in southern WI between Milwaukee and Madison at the end of August. Trump won them by 16 pts in 2020, so I will be meeting some old white folks, who haven't died off yet, of course (that might work in Harris' favor).
Also, there are a lot of old white people - two of my three sibs - who will vote Democratic. They're in IL, which is solid blue because of Chicago (where I grew up). So when you're talking Midwest, you mean in the rural areas. The suburban areas are growing blue.
When IтАЩm talking Midwest IтАЩm only talking about Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. All other Midwest states will vote exactly how they voted for the last 10 years.
Ah. FWIW, Midwesterners don't consider PA to be Midwest. But if you're talking just MI & WI, those suburban areas are leaning blue, so you mean the rural areas.
Yeah, I should have been more clear--my mom's friends, whichever party they are, are all high-education, high-achievement women, so not really the MAGA type (although some of their husbands are MAGA). But they all are old enough to remember the days of no birth control, no abortion access. I remember my mom telling me that there were only 2 girls left in her high school class because all the others "got married" before graduation. Yes, I'm sure there are undercurrents or racism and misogyny, but I think the reproductive freedom message really resonates with this groupl
In my mind dems were always going to come home because of Trump. My question is what about the double haters? I hope they vote for her