Moderates in the Democratic party gave Biden the nomination, not Sanders or Warren. Moderates from all parties elected Biden precisely because he is considered a moderate. At a time when our nation can least afford it (in any number of ways), Biden is letting the Progressive wing of the party dictate too much.
Moderates in the Democratic party gave Biden the nomination, not Sanders or Warren. Moderates from all parties elected Biden precisely because he is considered a moderate. At a time when our nation can least afford it (in any number of ways), Biden is letting the Progressive wing of the party dictate too much.
18-25 yo's do NOT reliably show up to vote, especially in non-presidential years. Suburban women reliably do.
Has anyone ever noticed that it's always the Progressives - the 18-25 yo's, the far-left, Black women, the activists - they ALWAYS threaten to stay home if the Party does not give them what they want. Why is that? Of course the Democrats can't win without any one of those demographics, but Progressives can't win without moderate voters either. And we don't threaten to stay home to get our way.
If there wasn't so much at stake, I'd be tempted to say, let them - let them learn the hard way (again) just how much further from their goals they are when trumpism prevails... because that is going to be the outcome of Biden capitulating to them yet again.
He was kinda forced to in order to hold the 'oust trump" coalition together. A bunch of young voters that I know said outright that unless Biden earned their vote by giving them what they want, they might just vote for trump in protest.
I'm well aware of what you are saying. I still tend to think that the economy will dominate it all. I wish it weren't so. I think John Cornyn is a stall and nothing else. Then the summer brek for the senate. None of it spells out as a good omen. Voters can be so smart and so dumb at the same time.
I wish Max E was right about gun violence being more important to voters than high gas prices, but I'm afraid Peter V will prove to be right. I have come to the sad conclusion that most people don't really care about anything beyond their pocketbook or their own personal concerns. Unless they themselves or a member of their family is a victim of gun violence---then they will pay attention.
"And we don't threaten to stay home to get our way."
Moderates on here do that literally every time this issue comes up. You don't even need to go looking; the evidence is heavy on the ground all around us. That's the whole entire implication of the "alienating voters" narrative.
EDIT: "This issue" being "why are the Democrats paying attention to their base?"
No joke. If I had a nickel for every time I've read or heard something like, "yeah the republicans are bad but I just can't vote for the democrats because X (where X is something like too woke, CRT, some rando blue on Twitter said something vaguely Leftish, etc.).
Younger Black voters are not as reliable as their mothers. Apparently you haven't experienced enough "woke " Twitter to be aware of their threats to not vote.
Wasn't Biden's bonehead move of promising that the next Supreme Court justice would ba a Black woman (Affirmative Action!!!) in reaction to a Black legislator's threat to promote Blacks' not turning out?
He didn't, but Biden won them by even less thin margins than trump did in 2016.... I'm just saying that I do hear Black women threaten to stay home if this or that, and sometimes they have followed through at great cost to themselves and the rest of us. I'm not saying they do it all the time everywhere, but Black women in Southern states tend more conservative, and Black women in Northern states tend more progressive.
Well, we moderates don't threaten to stay home because we don't get what we want because 95% of the time we get most of what we want anyway.
I get the frustration that certain groups within the Democratic coalition feel--- but their pathway to success is to recruit more progressives and win more elections outside of progressive enclaves not by sitting out elections.
No, my point is that it isn't any one group - it is a coalition of many groups, so when one group threatens to stay home, it is significant in determining the outcome of elections. I'd rather all groups of the coalition recognized what's at stake for everyone, and instead rally together to keep the worst from happening. This is NOT about race, so can we let that go please?
Just because a descriptor is mentioned does not make it about race. That is what we were supposed to learn from the recent Supreme Court confirmation. The nominee was highly qualified and black. The GOP tried to say that black was all that mattered to Biden.
Moderates in the Democratic party gave Biden the nomination, not Sanders or Warren. Moderates from all parties elected Biden precisely because he is considered a moderate. At a time when our nation can least afford it (in any number of ways), Biden is letting the Progressive wing of the party dictate too much.
18-25 yo's do NOT reliably show up to vote, especially in non-presidential years. Suburban women reliably do.
Has anyone ever noticed that it's always the Progressives - the 18-25 yo's, the far-left, Black women, the activists - they ALWAYS threaten to stay home if the Party does not give them what they want. Why is that? Of course the Democrats can't win without any one of those demographics, but Progressives can't win without moderate voters either. And we don't threaten to stay home to get our way.
If there wasn't so much at stake, I'd be tempted to say, let them - let them learn the hard way (again) just how much further from their goals they are when trumpism prevails... because that is going to be the outcome of Biden capitulating to them yet again.
See comments far down thread as to President Joe Biden having make student debt relief a part of his campaign. A rare man of his word.
He ran on forgiving $10K in student loans and was elected. I don't see what is controversial about this.
He was kinda forced to in order to hold the 'oust trump" coalition together. A bunch of young voters that I know said outright that unless Biden earned their vote by giving them what they want, they might just vote for trump in protest.
Promises made, promises kept.
Voters are going to vote for cheap gasoline. None of the rest of this matters.
Unfortunately true.
I mean, have you seen gas prices in the Netherlands? Biden should do something about that!
The price of gas in Kenosha Wisconsin is the only one that matters.
You are pretty clearly correct.
I'm well aware of what you are saying. I still tend to think that the economy will dominate it all. I wish it weren't so. I think John Cornyn is a stall and nothing else. Then the summer brek for the senate. None of it spells out as a good omen. Voters can be so smart and so dumb at the same time.
I wish Max E was right about gun violence being more important to voters than high gas prices, but I'm afraid Peter V will prove to be right. I have come to the sad conclusion that most people don't really care about anything beyond their pocketbook or their own personal concerns. Unless they themselves or a member of their family is a victim of gun violence---then they will pay attention.
"And we don't threaten to stay home to get our way."
Moderates on here do that literally every time this issue comes up. You don't even need to go looking; the evidence is heavy on the ground all around us. That's the whole entire implication of the "alienating voters" narrative.
EDIT: "This issue" being "why are the Democrats paying attention to their base?"
I never have, I can't be the only one
No joke. If I had a nickel for every time I've read or heard something like, "yeah the republicans are bad but I just can't vote for the democrats because X (where X is something like too woke, CRT, some rando blue on Twitter said something vaguely Leftish, etc.).
Yes, Yes, Kevin! I wish I could "like" this comment 20 times.
It's true, suburban women do turn out, and they turn out for the GOP, which is why Trump and the GOP win a majority of white women in every election.
I don't think it's for the young people. It's for their parents.
Black women are probably the most reliable voters the Democrats have. Not sure where you're getting info that says they always threaten to stay home.
Younger Black voters are not as reliable as their mothers. Apparently you haven't experienced enough "woke " Twitter to be aware of their threats to not vote.
Twitter Is Not Real Life.
Wasn't Biden's bonehead move of promising that the next Supreme Court justice would ba a Black woman (Affirmative Action!!!) in reaction to a Black legislator's threat to promote Blacks' not turning out?
They do. But then so do many other factions in the Dem coalition.
That's true in the South, but in the northern democratic "Blue Wall" states many stayed home and tfg won those states by extremely thin margins.
Which "Blue Wall" states did TFG win in 2020 besides OH?
He didn't, but Biden won them by even less thin margins than trump did in 2016.... I'm just saying that I do hear Black women threaten to stay home if this or that, and sometimes they have followed through at great cost to themselves and the rest of us. I'm not saying they do it all the time everywhere, but Black women in Southern states tend more conservative, and Black women in Northern states tend more progressive.
"He didn't, but Biden won them by even less thin margins than trump did in 2016."
Only Wisconsin, by about 2000 votes. He almost doubled the margin in PA, and smashed the results in MI.
I think it was black men that didn't show up in 2016. Black women, again, did the heavy lifting for Clinton.
Yes. And then Black men doubled their vote share (from 4% to 8%) for Trump in 2020.
Older Black women especially
And apparently also the “abuelas” in our Hispanic communities.
Well, we moderates don't threaten to stay home because we don't get what we want because 95% of the time we get most of what we want anyway.
I get the frustration that certain groups within the Democratic coalition feel--- but their pathway to success is to recruit more progressives and win more elections outside of progressive enclaves not by sitting out elections.
No, my point is that it isn't any one group - it is a coalition of many groups, so when one group threatens to stay home, it is significant in determining the outcome of elections. I'd rather all groups of the coalition recognized what's at stake for everyone, and instead rally together to keep the worst from happening. This is NOT about race, so can we let that go please?
Just because a descriptor is mentioned does not make it about race. That is what we were supposed to learn from the recent Supreme Court confirmation. The nominee was highly qualified and black. The GOP tried to say that black was all that mattered to Biden.