In just reading the summary, I have this hot take. Paul Ryan wants the GOP to change, but he doesn't want to stick his neck out to make any changes. Boy, that's leadership!
I am not surprised at all by Ryan's squishiness. I have expected nothing less from him since he was speaker. It is the same problem with many of the so-called normal repubs.
I remember watching his debate with Biden during the 2012 election, and from my perspective Biden had him for lunch. He exhibited the same kind of queasiness, softness, deflectioneering(?) that has become his trademark. For proof just look at his current positions & employment.
<b>I think it's gonna have to be a part of the solution if we're going to solve the problem in the conservative movement.</b>
Fox Disinformation is not going to be part of the solution and neither are cowards like Paul Ryan. I listen to, and enjoy, Charlie’s podcast everyday. Will was incredible yesterday. I’d say he wasted his time talking to Ryan and I’m not going to waste mine listening to it. I got enough out of what I read.
And Paul, it’s I couldn’t care less. As in I couldn’t care less about you and hope the GOP crashes and burns. Since he can’t even take on Marge, let alone say anything about McCarthy, there’s hopefully a good chance of that.
Plus calling everyone you disagree with a “pedo”. They are making the word meaningless by using it for everything they consider “woke”. I wonder how many of the faithful who use the word “pedo” actually believe that everyone they call a pedo is an actual child molester or has it already become just another empty insult for them.
I think I disagree. Ryan was outspoken about what he doesn’t like about the way his former party is headed, but he didn’t want to second guess his successor. Fair enough.
Bull S_ _t! This is neither being asked to "second guess" or Monday morning quarterbacking. This is live. Happening right now and PR is sitting in the center of the most specious generator of disinformation. He's just hedging his bet with his gaslighting.
I want Ryan to bring the wrath of God on his former party. Ryan wants to remain influential in a new conservative movement, as well as marketable. The reality is he can’t kick asses and remain an influential, trusted voice. He doesn’t have it in him. Someone else might -- Dunno who. But Ryan cannot and will not.
As for the rest of it, I don’t think the GOP can be saved from itself. Some other conservative phoenix needs to rise.
I just don't get it, but I've never been that attracted to other people's opinions of me. I care some, I'm human, but not this much.
Still, it's one of the primary drivers of human behavior, and a need for approval and validation is what drives people into places like the ones that Ryan's been.
He's like a kid on a playground who sat there and watched a bully beat someone to a bloody pulp, and then afterwards he says "oh that's really unfortunate, obviously I don't agree with the people who did this, and I told them so privately. But you know, it's really important to support this bully, because he's also battling woke conformity. So yeah, I'm still going to be a part of this gang. Yeah, all the good kids have been kicked out of the gang and it's mostly illiterate bullies, and admittedly I can't change the direction of the gang, but I want you to know I don't approve of most of the things the things they are doing. It's very unfortunate."
I went to lunch with a maga friend yesterday’s and he always find a way to work the word woke into a conversation. I told him that the phrase has no meaning anymore and everytime he uses it all he’s doing is telling everyone how dumb he is.
He really didn’t have a good answer for Charlie’s point about book banning, etc. His definition of woke is a rigid orthodoxy that excludes other viewpoints, but he misses it in the right.
This is true. Maybe hearing it come out of Ryan's mouth so much will put him off it. I cringe every time because he's better than that facile catch-word .
It must be difficult to change the everyday catchphrases we all use when one moves to another group that uses different words to talk about the same things. I sometimes get exasperated by the intolerance of some groups whose aims and principles I mostly agree with. I first came across ultra-doctrinaire with the Leninist/Marxists. Remember them? Such unquestioned fealty to a single focus. It’s an occupational hazard of groups that want to change the world. I realized the divide when a university friend told me that after the Revolution they would have to shoot me. I hoped, at the time, she was being facetious. I do wish “woke” wasn’t such a trigger word for me though I’m the only one who can change that.
So true...and Charlie gives excellent POD. I do not miss an episode. Charlie is really bright and insightful. I admire the depth of his knowledge and his desire to understand more deeply.
Exactly. How difficult is it to unequivocally state that MTG is a loon who has already been given way too much oxygen and that were he still Speaker he would have Steve Kinged even more swiftly than OG Steve King?
I don't even care about that because you have to be careful about what you say, but he lost me when he seemed unable to say Liz Cheney and Kinzinger showed real courage and willing to lose all to stand up for what was right.
No kidding! I have a dream that someday I’ll never hear the word “woke” again, except as it applies to the morning after a good night’s sleep. Right wing nuts are using it more than liberals ever did. What they lack in creativity they make up for in brainless vitriol.
They always have their go-to expression and their go-to bete noire. The latest expression is "woke". But there is also socialism and CRT. The bete noires are usually powerful women like Nancy Pelosi or Hilary Clinton. They have to do this to appeal to their low-education voters who love name-calling and bullies and cannot understand anything more complex.
I’ll never recover from learning how ignorant and hate filled my fellow citizens are, during the Trump phenomenon. I feel very disinvested in America now; I don’t see this divide healing in my lifetime.
Except that the word “woke”, as used currently, by definition is a very favorable trait. It really pisses the hell out of me when people use it pejoratively.
In case anyone wanted to know, here’s the Merriam-Webster Dictionary definition of “woke”: “Aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice).”
So, as a caring & sympathetic person, I’m happy to be called woke!
Worse, from the context they use it is very clear they've no idea what it's supposed to mean. To them, it seems to mean everything they don't like that they 'think' the left believes.
You’re right. Another sign of their intellectual laziness. A catch-all phrase devoid of understood meaning, that’s easily repeated, to stroke stupid people.
Well, that is how they got to this pass, ITFP. None of the past leadership REALLY wanted any of this crap--but none of them were willing to stick their necks out to counter the stuff that started out with Rush and just snowballed from there... because they thought they could control it and use it on the down low.
It is seemingly always the same error, you get in bed with people because you somehow think you are in the catbird seat, that you can control them until, suddenly, you can't.
None of them want what is likely to happen in 2024 (regardless of who the GoP nominee ends up being),but none of them will step into that buzzsaw, either.
I never had much respect for Ryan. He wasn't the bright fellow or idea man everybody always tried to paint him as... and in the end he had no real spine or courage and no actual leadership ability.
I mean, the reality is that anyone who is a Ayn Rand fanboi and thinks that shit is workable is not too bright... or never grew up. I went through a libertarian phase but it didn't last 20+ years (more like 2... and I was in HS).
Didn't help that he suckled off the government teat but was trying to stop others from doing so, Guess they were less needy than he was at the time, eh? Less deserving.
Yes, under any pressure, he always quietly slipped away. He didn't want to challenge McCarthy now. I guess M.T. Greene and the others are just a phase the GOP is going through. It will all clear up by 2036 if we don't have too many violent uprisings by then.
Ryan is definitely over rated. He set himself up as a responsible conservative bean counter, and the media just opened wide and repeated it often. But there was no “there” there.
And his hypocrisy on the safety net is stunning, as he wants to jerk it away from others after it was his lifeline. That’s deeply immoral.
Oh, but they did want it. The whole GOP public playbook was about gays, guns, and God for the past 20 years. (Behind the scenes it was cutting environmental and worker protections and tax cuts for the rich.) The problem was they had to keep upping the stakes because reality was not bearing out their rhetoric - liberals MUST be pedophiles, climate change MUST be a conspiracy of world scientists, government MUST be trying to kill its own citizens. Now they are trapped - they are turning to the last resort, there are actual demons picking on them.
The thought experiment as to what happens if they tell people that Biden is normal, the election was not stolen, Obamacare is working fairly well - you can guess the result. They lose their livelihood because Republican voters vote them out.
The sad thing is that they all care more about keeping their seat in Congress than ever doing what's right for the country. The few who did lost their primaries.
Supposedly FoX actual news reporting is relatively honest. Then Tucker Carlson wanted the news reporter fired for saying the election wasn't rigged.
The scary part is they intimate that Democrats and anyone not far right are terrorists and traitors. At some point there will be justification for killing. Will Ryan then say he wasn't for violence, and can't held responsible?
Perhaps not legally responsible, but, if it matters to him, morally without a doubt. There is an old saying: He who does not deny, admits. With Ryanists it is, He who does not object, approves.
Not only Republican voters, but also the RINOs that MTG, the rest of Kevin's Gang and their supporters have become. Heck, I've never been any of those and I'd vote'em out.
Yes, Susan- Ryan's use of the word "woke" just said it all: a flimsy Fox code word meaning one hand is in the till and the other is swatting away people calling out your duplicity.
Talk about a person who missed his moment to demonstrate all the self professed love of country. Paul Ryan and Mike Pence really take the cake.
Nah, these people (like Ryan) could not give a shit about the culture war issues. All that stuff was the fluff they used to get votes so they could do what they REALLY wanted and get what they REALLY wanted--lower taxes, no "socialism," and a court regime that was very pro business/anti-government (that had the side benefit of also being anti-abortion--but that was a side effect as far as these guys were concerned).
Their goal was to reconstruct pre-civil war American... which is ABSOLITELY hilarious as it was the GoP that built post-civil war America. Ah, how things change.
They got into bed with all of that and ran with it and mouthed it. Little of it ever happened or really got pushed for because they did not actually care.
The became the prisoners of the media and mob that did push that stuff and kept amping up/doubling down on it--because to go against it meant a lost primary to the person willing to either fake it better or a True Believer.
Ryan was so sad he didn’t get to throw all those people off their healthcare. One vote, he thought they had it but then they didn’t. Of course nobody’s talking about how they never came up with something to replace it.
Here is the thing... we know (on the basis of experience and evidence) that certain things DO NOT WORK. That they lead to what are considered bad outcomes on the larger scale.
What happened to Kansas is just one example among many.
You AREN'T going to get rid of social insurance--as badly as the plutocrats and corps want... because you would end up with a whole lot of angry people.
You were the dog that caught the car of doing away with abortion--and there is going to be a big price to pay for that.
We don't actually debate any of these things or these ideas, a party gets power and implements or de-implements what they can. Nobody ever wins the argument DESPITE the cases where we have actual evidence that says your idea is BS.
This tax cut will pay for itself!!! Please. They rarely if ever pay for themselves in the whole history of the Reagan and post-Reagan tax cuts. STOP PRETENDING THAT THIS IS AN ACTUAL SOUND IDEA.
Devolution of what are now national powers, rules, and regulation down to state levels. Reduction of federal funding so as to facilitate that and so as to basically kill programs that want to kill without actually having to legislatively kill them and own it.
Reduction in protections for citizens and rights of citizens (as these were largely undefined before the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments).
Pre-FDR is mostly about getting rid of social insurance and poverty programs. Pre-civil war is about states rights--a popular refrain these days from the Right. This would allow the states to do a lot of things that many would find quite illiberal--especially concerning the rights of minorities.
“State’s rights” has always been a far right pro-Confederate dog whistle, to the point where the Southern segregationist party actually called themselves the “State’s Rights” party.
No love for Coolidge, but Coolidge at least was a decent human being, as was Hoover. Today's current R crop - can barely think of one. Today they're deliberate liars, deliberate cowards, deliberate pro-Putin, deliberate "we hate the real ideal America, but pretend we don't", deliberate "we don't believe in our oath to the Constitution".
I think there is a lot of truth in this. They continue to tell us about how this or that is going to destroy America and the sky continues not to fall. Meanwhile, all the things they tell us aren't to be worried about (climate change, safety regulations, more guns than people) keep smacking us in the face.
And what have been the consequences for all the lying, cheating, blatant corruption, promoting violence, and defying laws and regulations?
McCarthy just gave Fox News security videos so they could make better preparations for their next insurrection. Makes me feel as if it's almost too late.
It will probably end up at the Supreme Court, and they will dismiss the case because Fox did it for profit, and that's what their America is all about. Profit uber alles.
In just reading the summary, I have this hot take. Paul Ryan wants the GOP to change, but he doesn't want to stick his neck out to make any changes. Boy, that's leadership!
I am not surprised at all by Ryan's squishiness. I have expected nothing less from him since he was speaker. It is the same problem with many of the so-called normal repubs.
I remember watching his debate with Biden during the 2012 election, and from my perspective Biden had him for lunch. He exhibited the same kind of queasiness, softness, deflectioneering(?) that has become his trademark. For proof just look at his current positions & employment.
<b>I think it's gonna have to be a part of the solution if we're going to solve the problem in the conservative movement.</b>
Fox Disinformation is not going to be part of the solution and neither are cowards like Paul Ryan. I listen to, and enjoy, Charlie’s podcast everyday. Will was incredible yesterday. I’d say he wasted his time talking to Ryan and I’m not going to waste mine listening to it. I got enough out of what I read.
And Paul, it’s I couldn’t care less. As in I couldn’t care less about you and hope the GOP crashes and burns. Since he can’t even take on Marge, let alone say anything about McCarthy, there’s hopefully a good chance of that.
That's on brand for Paul Ryan, isn't it?
“stick his neck out...” and lose his phat Fox paycheck
I'm old enough to remember when cowardice was something to be ashamed of.
Yes. Same with bragging, lying, cheating, vulgarity, infidelity, etc. It’s a long list.
Now those things are mandatory for certain flavors of religious voters!
Plus calling everyone you disagree with a “pedo”. They are making the word meaningless by using it for everything they consider “woke”. I wonder how many of the faithful who use the word “pedo” actually believe that everyone they call a pedo is an actual child molester or has it already become just another empty insult for them.
I think I disagree. Ryan was outspoken about what he doesn’t like about the way his former party is headed, but he didn’t want to second guess his successor. Fair enough.
Wouldn’t it have been interesting if Charlie had sprung a surprise guest of Liz Cheney on Paul?
I would have paid to see that.
Bull S_ _t! This is neither being asked to "second guess" or Monday morning quarterbacking. This is live. Happening right now and PR is sitting in the center of the most specious generator of disinformation. He's just hedging his bet with his gaslighting.
I want Ryan to bring the wrath of God on his former party. Ryan wants to remain influential in a new conservative movement, as well as marketable. The reality is he can’t kick asses and remain an influential, trusted voice. He doesn’t have it in him. Someone else might -- Dunno who. But Ryan cannot and will not.
As for the rest of it, I don’t think the GOP can be saved from itself. Some other conservative phoenix needs to rise.
It's the relevancy thing.
I just don't get it, but I've never been that attracted to other people's opinions of me. I care some, I'm human, but not this much.
Still, it's one of the primary drivers of human behavior, and a need for approval and validation is what drives people into places like the ones that Ryan's been.
Liz Cheney tried and look what happened to her. They turned on her like a pack of wolves. (No disrespect for wolves intended).
Perfectly good Hyenas out there waiting for a metaphor opportunity you know. ;)
“Pack of hyenas” doesn’t have the same ring to it but it is a ferocious image.
Sometimes the second guessing is necessary, as when PR condemned the insurrection.
He's like a kid on a playground who sat there and watched a bully beat someone to a bloody pulp, and then afterwards he says "oh that's really unfortunate, obviously I don't agree with the people who did this, and I told them so privately. But you know, it's really important to support this bully, because he's also battling woke conformity. So yeah, I'm still going to be a part of this gang. Yeah, all the good kids have been kicked out of the gang and it's mostly illiterate bullies, and admittedly I can't change the direction of the gang, but I want you to know I don't approve of most of the things the things they are doing. It's very unfortunate."
Being "anti-woke" means never having to say you're sorry.
You are so right!
I lost interest in Ryan’s perspective the moment he used the word “woke” in Charlie’s interview.
I’m so sick of the word woke.
I went to lunch with a maga friend yesterday’s and he always find a way to work the word woke into a conversation. I told him that the phrase has no meaning anymore and everytime he uses it all he’s doing is telling everyone how dumb he is.
Exactly. A lack of imagination to come up with their own thoughts. Pure regurgitation.
As they say on TV, 'Good answer!'
He really didn’t have a good answer for Charlie’s point about book banning, etc. His definition of woke is a rigid orthodoxy that excludes other viewpoints, but he misses it in the right.
I was just going to comment that he had to get the “woke” dig in. Being done with Paul Ryan may be the last thing all Americans can agree about.
They (Charlie included) made 'liberal' a dirty word, now they make 'woke' a dirty word. Cute.
Charlie is on the same side of the fence as PR when it comes to using the word “woke”.
This is true. Maybe hearing it come out of Ryan's mouth so much will put him off it. I cringe every time because he's better than that facile catch-word .
It must be difficult to change the everyday catchphrases we all use when one moves to another group that uses different words to talk about the same things. I sometimes get exasperated by the intolerance of some groups whose aims and principles I mostly agree with. I first came across ultra-doctrinaire with the Leninist/Marxists. Remember them? Such unquestioned fealty to a single focus. It’s an occupational hazard of groups that want to change the world. I realized the divide when a university friend told me that after the Revolution they would have to shoot me. I hoped, at the time, she was being facetious. I do wish “woke” wasn’t such a trigger word for me though I’m the only one who can change that.
So true...and Charlie gives excellent POD. I do not miss an episode. Charlie is really bright and insightful. I admire the depth of his knowledge and his desire to understand more deeply.
Yeah, sorry I helped burn your house down.
Let's eat!
That is the gist. I do respect his Podcast, and his love of Dogs. :-)
THANK YOU! ❤️❤️❤️
Me too. Him saying the word woke just dumbed down the rest of the written part of the interview. I have yet to listen to the audio.
These Profiles in Non-Courage really just blow whichever way the wind blows. They're spineless.
He must be making a lot of money being on Fox' s board.
He is making a lot of money. Probably knows no other reputably organization would pay him that kind of money after they read this interview.
Exactly. How difficult is it to unequivocally state that MTG is a loon who has already been given way too much oxygen and that were he still Speaker he would have Steve Kinged even more swiftly than OG Steve King?
I don't even care about that because you have to be careful about what you say, but he lost me when he seemed unable to say Liz Cheney and Kinzinger showed real courage and willing to lose all to stand up for what was right.
I kept reaffirm, but yeah, that jumped out at me and helped remind me why Ryan is a jerk.
I kept READING; there needs to be a way to edit these posts! I’m at work and get distracted!
You can edit them. Hit the three dots on the right and you’ll find the edit option.
No kidding! I have a dream that someday I’ll never hear the word “woke” again, except as it applies to the morning after a good night’s sleep. Right wing nuts are using it more than liberals ever did. What they lack in creativity they make up for in brainless vitriol.
They always have their go-to expression and their go-to bete noire. The latest expression is "woke". But there is also socialism and CRT. The bete noires are usually powerful women like Nancy Pelosi or Hilary Clinton. They have to do this to appeal to their low-education voters who love name-calling and bullies and cannot understand anything more complex.
I’ll never recover from learning how ignorant and hate filled my fellow citizens are, during the Trump phenomenon. I feel very disinvested in America now; I don’t see this divide healing in my lifetime.
I actually never heard anyone use it but Republicans.
Except that the word “woke”, as used currently, by definition is a very favorable trait. It really pisses the hell out of me when people use it pejoratively.
In case anyone wanted to know, here’s the Merriam-Webster Dictionary definition of “woke”: “Aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice).”
So, as a caring & sympathetic person, I’m happy to be called woke!
Ditto.
Worse, from the context they use it is very clear they've no idea what it's supposed to mean. To them, it seems to mean everything they don't like that they 'think' the left believes.
I translated it for my wife as just the new version of PC (said in a negative context).
You’re right. Another sign of their intellectual laziness. A catch-all phrase devoid of understood meaning, that’s easily repeated, to stroke stupid people.
If I had to bet money on it, I'd bet that Paul Ryan does multiple google searches on his name every day. He knew about the letter.
Ryan has no answer other than wishcasting
When's the last time any Republican had a workable solution to anything?
Solutions are communism, what are you, a communist?
Well, that is how they got to this pass, ITFP. None of the past leadership REALLY wanted any of this crap--but none of them were willing to stick their necks out to counter the stuff that started out with Rush and just snowballed from there... because they thought they could control it and use it on the down low.
It is seemingly always the same error, you get in bed with people because you somehow think you are in the catbird seat, that you can control them until, suddenly, you can't.
None of them want what is likely to happen in 2024 (regardless of who the GoP nominee ends up being),but none of them will step into that buzzsaw, either.
I never had much respect for Ryan. He wasn't the bright fellow or idea man everybody always tried to paint him as... and in the end he had no real spine or courage and no actual leadership ability.
I mean, the reality is that anyone who is a Ayn Rand fanboi and thinks that shit is workable is not too bright... or never grew up. I went through a libertarian phase but it didn't last 20+ years (more like 2... and I was in HS).
Didn't help that he suckled off the government teat but was trying to stop others from doing so, Guess they were less needy than he was at the time, eh? Less deserving.
Yes, under any pressure, he always quietly slipped away. He didn't want to challenge McCarthy now. I guess M.T. Greene and the others are just a phase the GOP is going through. It will all clear up by 2036 if we don't have too many violent uprisings by then.
Ryan is definitely over rated. He set himself up as a responsible conservative bean counter, and the media just opened wide and repeated it often. But there was no “there” there.
And his hypocrisy on the safety net is stunning, as he wants to jerk it away from others after it was his lifeline. That’s deeply immoral.
Atlas Shrugs.
Oh, but they did want it. The whole GOP public playbook was about gays, guns, and God for the past 20 years. (Behind the scenes it was cutting environmental and worker protections and tax cuts for the rich.) The problem was they had to keep upping the stakes because reality was not bearing out their rhetoric - liberals MUST be pedophiles, climate change MUST be a conspiracy of world scientists, government MUST be trying to kill its own citizens. Now they are trapped - they are turning to the last resort, there are actual demons picking on them.
The thought experiment as to what happens if they tell people that Biden is normal, the election was not stolen, Obamacare is working fairly well - you can guess the result. They lose their livelihood because Republican voters vote them out.
The sad thing is that they all care more about keeping their seat in Congress than ever doing what's right for the country. The few who did lost their primaries.
Supposedly FoX actual news reporting is relatively honest. Then Tucker Carlson wanted the news reporter fired for saying the election wasn't rigged.
The scary part is they intimate that Democrats and anyone not far right are terrorists and traitors. At some point there will be justification for killing. Will Ryan then say he wasn't for violence, and can't held responsible?
Perhaps not legally responsible, but, if it matters to him, morally without a doubt. There is an old saying: He who does not deny, admits. With Ryanists it is, He who does not object, approves.
Not only Republican voters, but also the RINOs that MTG, the rest of Kevin's Gang and their supporters have become. Heck, I've never been any of those and I'd vote'em out.
Yes, Susan- Ryan's use of the word "woke" just said it all: a flimsy Fox code word meaning one hand is in the till and the other is swatting away people calling out your duplicity.
Talk about a person who missed his moment to demonstrate all the self professed love of country. Paul Ryan and Mike Pence really take the cake.
Nah, these people (like Ryan) could not give a shit about the culture war issues. All that stuff was the fluff they used to get votes so they could do what they REALLY wanted and get what they REALLY wanted--lower taxes, no "socialism," and a court regime that was very pro business/anti-government (that had the side benefit of also being anti-abortion--but that was a side effect as far as these guys were concerned).
Their goal was to reconstruct pre-civil war American... which is ABSOLITELY hilarious as it was the GoP that built post-civil war America. Ah, how things change.
They got into bed with all of that and ran with it and mouthed it. Little of it ever happened or really got pushed for because they did not actually care.
The became the prisoners of the media and mob that did push that stuff and kept amping up/doubling down on it--because to go against it meant a lost primary to the person willing to either fake it better or a True Believer.
Ryan was so sad he didn’t get to throw all those people off their healthcare. One vote, he thought they had it but then they didn’t. Of course nobody’s talking about how they never came up with something to replace it.
See e.g. “What’s the Matter With Kansas”
Here is the thing... we know (on the basis of experience and evidence) that certain things DO NOT WORK. That they lead to what are considered bad outcomes on the larger scale.
What happened to Kansas is just one example among many.
You AREN'T going to get rid of social insurance--as badly as the plutocrats and corps want... because you would end up with a whole lot of angry people.
You were the dog that caught the car of doing away with abortion--and there is going to be a big price to pay for that.
We don't actually debate any of these things or these ideas, a party gets power and implements or de-implements what they can. Nobody ever wins the argument DESPITE the cases where we have actual evidence that says your idea is BS.
This tax cut will pay for itself!!! Please. They rarely if ever pay for themselves in the whole history of the Reagan and post-Reagan tax cuts. STOP PRETENDING THAT THIS IS AN ACTUAL SOUND IDEA.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/12/07/history-lesson-do-big-tax-cuts-pay-for-themselves/
And now the difference between the 1% and everyone else is astronomical.
I think they are trying to re construct pre FDR. Just a small point. Especially Calvin Coolidge.
No, they are trying to reconstruct pre-civil war.
Devolution of what are now national powers, rules, and regulation down to state levels. Reduction of federal funding so as to facilitate that and so as to basically kill programs that want to kill without actually having to legislatively kill them and own it.
Reduction in protections for citizens and rights of citizens (as these were largely undefined before the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments).
Pre-FDR is mostly about getting rid of social insurance and poverty programs. Pre-civil war is about states rights--a popular refrain these days from the Right. This would allow the states to do a lot of things that many would find quite illiberal--especially concerning the rights of minorities.
“State’s rights” has always been a far right pro-Confederate dog whistle, to the point where the Southern segregationist party actually called themselves the “State’s Rights” party.
No love for Coolidge, but Coolidge at least was a decent human being, as was Hoover. Today's current R crop - can barely think of one. Today they're deliberate liars, deliberate cowards, deliberate pro-Putin, deliberate "we hate the real ideal America, but pretend we don't", deliberate "we don't believe in our oath to the Constitution".
Don't disagree re Hoover and Coolidge.
"reality was not bearing out their rhetoric"
I think there is a lot of truth in this. They continue to tell us about how this or that is going to destroy America and the sky continues not to fall. Meanwhile, all the things they tell us aren't to be worried about (climate change, safety regulations, more guns than people) keep smacking us in the face.
And what have been the consequences for all the lying, cheating, blatant corruption, promoting violence, and defying laws and regulations?
McCarthy just gave Fox News security videos so they could make better preparations for their next insurrection. Makes me feel as if it's almost too late.
Consequences? They control the House and the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court has also taken the role of legislature and writer of regulations.
Concerning their base (voter and or viewership), the phrase, There are none so blind as he who will not see." comes to mind.
It's worse. They demand to see what's not there.
It will probably end up at the Supreme Court, and they will dismiss the case because Fox did it for profit, and that's what their America is all about. Profit uber alles.
Heh heh...