Correlation is not always causation. I agree that to some extent, the indictments have made R voters dig in and support him. But at the same time, DeSantis has imploded all on his own. He’s a terrible candidate and everyone sees that now.
My view is that Trump’s support is not solid at all, even though he’s the runaway leader. Most voters…
Correlation is not always causation. I agree that to some extent, the indictments have made R voters dig in and support him. But at the same time, DeSantis has imploded all on his own. He’s a terrible candidate and everyone sees that now.
My view is that Trump’s support is not solid at all, even though he’s the runaway leader. Most voters still aren’t paying attention and that 64% number that won’t or probably won’t vote for him in the general says a lot.
One of these trials will have ended in a conviction by Nov 24 and most voters aren’t going to vote for the guy already convicted and facing more. So much more is going to happen in the next 12 months. Trump will likely be the nominee, but he won’t get more votes than in 20.
Fingers crossed! 🤞🏻. I don’t think that he will win either, because I doubt that independents will vote for him. What worries me is a spoiler candidate; like someone supported by No Labels. That could draw votes from Biden.
If you look at the numbers Charlie presented above, Trump's support is poor among the general population. I am also taking the optimistic view that as these trials unfold his support will keep decreasing. Sure, the MAGAs are unpersuadable, but they are not that large a group.
I agree that he is a terrible person as well. No argument from me. My point was that I don't believe that Trump's numbers among R's are solely getting better because of the indictments. They have gotten better because DeSantis' numbers have gotten worse, and all the other candidates look like they belong at the kid's table.
I agree. Trump holds his lead because everyone running against him in the primary is deeply flawed, most don’t have the spine to oppose him, none are offering any reasonable policies. Inflation is down, jobs are up. Immigration is a huge problem that they can’t solve and they still deny, despite this summer, that the Earth is warming. Thus, the cultist 37% of the party rules.
I would add that the other issue here is that elected R's might want to wish Trump dead, but they know they are stuck with him. If he's not the nominee, there's a lot of voters that won't show up in 24 on their side and they know it. They created the monster, lost control of the monster and are now tied to the monster. Without him on the ballot, 24 will be very bad (as it should be) for R's up and down the ballot.
As for data to back up the fact that Trump won't get more votes in 24, just look at the last few elections this year, including the WI Supreme Ct election. The liberal got 55%-56% percent of the vote. It was a blowout. I think that's where this is all headed. A 55% - 45% national election in 24 in favor of Biden is not a pipe dream.
They love him, we hate him. Once they got addicted to Trump and his assholery, they couldn't quit him. He is like Rush on steroids. He yells and screams and tweets and bleets and they love all of his BS. I hope it crushes the GOP until Trump is vanquished, either through the courts, through election losses, or stroke or death. I'll take any of the above.
Agree. My view of a 55% - 45% national election for Biden assumes he's on the ballot. If he's not, then I would move that a couple of points higher still.
Correlation is not always causation. I agree that to some extent, the indictments have made R voters dig in and support him. But at the same time, DeSantis has imploded all on his own. He’s a terrible candidate and everyone sees that now.
My view is that Trump’s support is not solid at all, even though he’s the runaway leader. Most voters still aren’t paying attention and that 64% number that won’t or probably won’t vote for him in the general says a lot.
One of these trials will have ended in a conviction by Nov 24 and most voters aren’t going to vote for the guy already convicted and facing more. So much more is going to happen in the next 12 months. Trump will likely be the nominee, but he won’t get more votes than in 20.
Fingers crossed! 🤞🏻. I don’t think that he will win either, because I doubt that independents will vote for him. What worries me is a spoiler candidate; like someone supported by No Labels. That could draw votes from Biden.
If you look at the numbers Charlie presented above, Trump's support is poor among the general population. I am also taking the optimistic view that as these trials unfold his support will keep decreasing. Sure, the MAGAs are unpersuadable, but they are not that large a group.
Your word in the electors' ears.
Amen
To merely say that DeSantis is a terrible candidate and leave it at that is praising with faint damns. He's a terrible person. Period. EOD.
I agree that he is a terrible person as well. No argument from me. My point was that I don't believe that Trump's numbers among R's are solely getting better because of the indictments. They have gotten better because DeSantis' numbers have gotten worse, and all the other candidates look like they belong at the kid's table.
I agree. Trump holds his lead because everyone running against him in the primary is deeply flawed, most don’t have the spine to oppose him, none are offering any reasonable policies. Inflation is down, jobs are up. Immigration is a huge problem that they can’t solve and they still deny, despite this summer, that the Earth is warming. Thus, the cultist 37% of the party rules.
100%. Well said.
I would add that the other issue here is that elected R's might want to wish Trump dead, but they know they are stuck with him. If he's not the nominee, there's a lot of voters that won't show up in 24 on their side and they know it. They created the monster, lost control of the monster and are now tied to the monster. Without him on the ballot, 24 will be very bad (as it should be) for R's up and down the ballot.
As for data to back up the fact that Trump won't get more votes in 24, just look at the last few elections this year, including the WI Supreme Ct election. The liberal got 55%-56% percent of the vote. It was a blowout. I think that's where this is all headed. A 55% - 45% national election in 24 in favor of Biden is not a pipe dream.
They love him, we hate him. Once they got addicted to Trump and his assholery, they couldn't quit him. He is like Rush on steroids. He yells and screams and tweets and bleets and they love all of his BS. I hope it crushes the GOP until Trump is vanquished, either through the courts, through election losses, or stroke or death. I'll take any of the above.
We’re not fussy. ☺️☺️
I kinda like all of them and in your sequence.
It's going to be bad for them with him on the ballot, too. Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of unpatriotic cowards.
Agree. My view of a 55% - 45% national election for Biden assumes he's on the ballot. If he's not, then I would move that a couple of points higher still.