Belated note - I see that John Fetterman is being vocal in his criticism of Al Green and those who supported him. At one time I had high hopes for Fetterman, but one of the many things I've learned from the Bulwark is to at least TRY not to put too much stock on any one politician. NOW, I get this feeling that Fetterman is more devoted to distinguishing himself from the rest of the Democrats than taking a principled position. Yes, I'm going with vibes, true. But let me say that if I woke up one morning to a headline that Fetterman joined the Trump administration, it would not surprise me much.
He’s a senator in Pennsylvania, where Trump support runs deep. If he’s got to be moderate to keep his constituency happy, so be it. He might be like a Manchin/Sinema, who gave Democrats a ton of grief, but usually voted with us in the end. Better than having a Republican in that seat. Besides, not all Democrats are thrilled with the lollipops and cane-waving. Independents wouldn’t like it. It looked sad and pathetic to my eyes.
You make really good points, Mary, I appreciate them and hadn't thought of it that way. Fetterman does need to take a moderate stand, and I absolutely do want him surviving Pennsylvania politics.
There is not a consensus on whether what Al Green did was good, bad or something in between. Fetterman is a great example of not everyone having to agree within the caucus. Where I personally draw the line is his going on CNN to castigate other Democrats so publicly. To me there is too much of that going on and it creates a rut of Democrats hearing that they suck; it becomes a self-defeating endless loop. They do too much in terms of exhibiting disgust for Trump. They do too little in terms of exhibiting disgust for Trump.
I'm all for figuring out what works and what doesn't work and for vigorous debate but wish it could be done internally. Maybe that is not realistic and maybe Fetterman did what he thought he needed to do. I hope Democratic leadership can unite sooner than later.
I think that Fetterman is having side effects from his stroke. TIA, traumatic brain injuries, and the like often have side effects, many of which develop later, including cognitive changes, temperament changes, including changes in behavior. I saw those with both parents for years before their deaths. Fetterman really needs to checked regularly, and should have those results available.
POS = President Orange Snake (because of his affinity for the poem "The Snake" that he does not understand) = President (gag) Donald J Trump. Watch some of the unedited videos of him. He has a definite problem with his left leg (which could be caused by his need to wear lifts), his speaking, his slurring, the shape of his mouth (Dad had seconds length strokes - could tell from the shape of his mouth, a barely noticeable droop that disappeared), his memory swings, etc.
Thank you, Eva, very interesting. I see that David Pakman had a video showing the left leg dragging AND the big bruise on his hand that is often related to an IV having been in. We have learned that we can't trust when we hear about Trump, honesty isn't a value of his.
Belated note - I see that John Fetterman is being vocal in his criticism of Al Green and those who supported him. At one time I had high hopes for Fetterman, but one of the many things I've learned from the Bulwark is to at least TRY not to put too much stock on any one politician. NOW, I get this feeling that Fetterman is more devoted to distinguishing himself from the rest of the Democrats than taking a principled position. Yes, I'm going with vibes, true. But let me say that if I woke up one morning to a headline that Fetterman joined the Trump administration, it would not surprise me much.
He’s a senator in Pennsylvania, where Trump support runs deep. If he’s got to be moderate to keep his constituency happy, so be it. He might be like a Manchin/Sinema, who gave Democrats a ton of grief, but usually voted with us in the end. Better than having a Republican in that seat. Besides, not all Democrats are thrilled with the lollipops and cane-waving. Independents wouldn’t like it. It looked sad and pathetic to my eyes.
You make really good points, Mary, I appreciate them and hadn't thought of it that way. Fetterman does need to take a moderate stand, and I absolutely do want him surviving Pennsylvania politics.
There is not a consensus on whether what Al Green did was good, bad or something in between. Fetterman is a great example of not everyone having to agree within the caucus. Where I personally draw the line is his going on CNN to castigate other Democrats so publicly. To me there is too much of that going on and it creates a rut of Democrats hearing that they suck; it becomes a self-defeating endless loop. They do too much in terms of exhibiting disgust for Trump. They do too little in terms of exhibiting disgust for Trump.
I'm all for figuring out what works and what doesn't work and for vigorous debate but wish it could be done internally. Maybe that is not realistic and maybe Fetterman did what he thought he needed to do. I hope Democratic leadership can unite sooner than later.
I think that Fetterman is having side effects from his stroke. TIA, traumatic brain injuries, and the like often have side effects, many of which develop later, including cognitive changes, temperament changes, including changes in behavior. I saw those with both parents for years before their deaths. Fetterman really needs to checked regularly, and should have those results available.
POS as well.
You raise an excellent point, Eva, thank you. TIA - I have a little experience with someone in our family and your reminder is timely and accurate.
Looking for clarification on what you meant by "POS as well." Just curious.
POS = President Orange Snake (because of his affinity for the poem "The Snake" that he does not understand) = President (gag) Donald J Trump. Watch some of the unedited videos of him. He has a definite problem with his left leg (which could be caused by his need to wear lifts), his speaking, his slurring, the shape of his mouth (Dad had seconds length strokes - could tell from the shape of his mouth, a barely noticeable droop that disappeared), his memory swings, etc.
Thank you, Eva, very interesting. I see that David Pakman had a video showing the left leg dragging AND the big bruise on his hand that is often related to an IV having been in. We have learned that we can't trust when we hear about Trump, honesty isn't a value of his.
Forgot about the bruises.