OMG. “ But while Bowers said the efforts by Giuliani and other Trump backers have been hurtful, he does not levy any criticism on Trump directly and would support him if he were on the ballot.” (Dateline today)
I DO NOT GET IT.
I felt so gratified, seeing his sincerity and integrity. But I get betrayed every single day!
Someone was saying today that Bowers is also among those leading voter suppression efforts in AZ, so it is hard to reconcile where his red line is with love for the Constitution and the Republic. Yet he seems to intelligent and sincere.
I think it is a fundamental value of deeply religious folk. He said he reveres Reagan. Didn’t Reagan preach about never talking bad about other Republicans? This isn’t politics, this is religion to him. I watched his testimony, I love my country too, but the flaws in our History are numerous and (imho) reverence should be used VERY sparingly.
That’s the problem. They’ve been so brainwashed by right wing media that they’ll vote for a GOP criminally corrupt traitor who tried to overthrow the country than any Democrat.
They have been told over many decades that Democrats are all either sexually immoral or okay with sexual immorality. That is why Pizzagate, etc are the conspiracy theories of choice. For them, immoral Republicans are outliers. But then they reveal their lack of principle when confronted by Trump's immorality by saying, "We are voting for a president, not a pastor."
Bowers' church teaches him that Christlikeness is to be the hallmark of all aspects of life. No compartmentalization allowed. It is beyond appalling that any christian votes for Trump.
Martin Luther King had a similar opinion about moderate whites.
“First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: ‘I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action’; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a ‘more convenient season.’ Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will.”
That is so disheartening, that a guy with apparent principles would still vote for Trump. Barr practically acknowledges Trump’s nuts and would still vote for him. What the absolute heck is WRONG with these people?
They erroneously think Democrats and liberals are evil, even demonic. It’s religiously motivated, mostly because Democrats support choice. I’ve had people ask me how I can vote for a Democrat since I’m a Christian.
If that's true, then they are not very intelligent, because Govt is not meant to legislate morality nor can it do so (though it can impose it, as we have all seen). Govt is supposed to govern. And neither party seems capable of even minimal standards in that regard.
You make an important point, Patricia. Our political divisions have very strong religious overtones. For some reason, that scares me even more. Maybe because there’s an implied righteousness they use as impunity in their actions. Religion with politics is a recipe for trouble. Always has been.
Agreed. There's a lot of binary thinking among my devoted Catholic family members. Trump for religion/Biden against it; Trump against abortion/Biden for it; Trump for passing my inheritance on to my children/Biden against it....
The beliefs are supported not only by the right-wing news media they watch, but by the religious media they watch even more.
OMG. “ But while Bowers said the efforts by Giuliani and other Trump backers have been hurtful, he does not levy any criticism on Trump directly and would support him if he were on the ballot.” (Dateline today)
I DO NOT GET IT.
I felt so gratified, seeing his sincerity and integrity. But I get betrayed every single day!
Someone was saying today that Bowers is also among those leading voter suppression efforts in AZ, so it is hard to reconcile where his red line is with love for the Constitution and the Republic. Yet he seems to intelligent and sincere.
That’s gutting
I think gutted is a great word for how so many of us feel these days.
Gut-wrenching.
I think it is a fundamental value of deeply religious folk. He said he reveres Reagan. Didn’t Reagan preach about never talking bad about other Republicans? This isn’t politics, this is religion to him. I watched his testimony, I love my country too, but the flaws in our History are numerous and (imho) reverence should be used VERY sparingly.
Great observation, Mary. Reverence should be used sparingly. It’s a double-edged quality.
Reagan said never attack Republicans and years later challenged Gerald Ford, splitting the party. I have no patience for "these people".
That’s the problem. They’ve been so brainwashed by right wing media that they’ll vote for a GOP criminally corrupt traitor who tried to overthrow the country than any Democrat.
They have been told over many decades that Democrats are all either sexually immoral or okay with sexual immorality. That is why Pizzagate, etc are the conspiracy theories of choice. For them, immoral Republicans are outliers. But then they reveal their lack of principle when confronted by Trump's immorality by saying, "We are voting for a president, not a pastor."
Bowers' church teaches him that Christlikeness is to be the hallmark of all aspects of life. No compartmentalization allowed. It is beyond appalling that any christian votes for Trump.
I've said about a million times that squishy Rs are going to be the death of our country.
Martin Luther King had a similar opinion about moderate whites.
“First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: ‘I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action’; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a ‘more convenient season.’ Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will.”
That is so disheartening, that a guy with apparent principles would still vote for Trump. Barr practically acknowledges Trump’s nuts and would still vote for him. What the absolute heck is WRONG with these people?
They erroneously think Democrats and liberals are evil, even demonic. It’s religiously motivated, mostly because Democrats support choice. I’ve had people ask me how I can vote for a Democrat since I’m a Christian.
If that's true, then they are not very intelligent, because Govt is not meant to legislate morality nor can it do so (though it can impose it, as we have all seen). Govt is supposed to govern. And neither party seems capable of even minimal standards in that regard.
You make an important point, Patricia. Our political divisions have very strong religious overtones. For some reason, that scares me even more. Maybe because there’s an implied righteousness they use as impunity in their actions. Religion with politics is a recipe for trouble. Always has been.
Agreed. There's a lot of binary thinking among my devoted Catholic family members. Trump for religion/Biden against it; Trump against abortion/Biden for it; Trump for passing my inheritance on to my children/Biden against it....
The beliefs are supported not only by the right-wing news media they watch, but by the religious media they watch even more.
And yet Biden is a man of faith and Trump has none. There are none so blind as though who will not see.
What did you answer?
Apparently like Senator Susan Collins, they believe that Trump has learned his lesson. /s
Same with McConnell.
I guess they fear Democrats with the same fervor that I fear Republicans. Of course, mine is justified.