I seem to remember a joke like that about a truck driver from grade school. His buddy asked him how he broke his arm, and he answered, "Oh, I pulled out fast and fell on the floor." Elon should always remember to signal first.
How does that statement correlate to fourteen kids from numerous women? Or was fifteen his unlucky number? Is that why Tesla Cyber Truck is such a bomb?
Those kids are part of Musk's "legion" of children he wants to create "before the apocalypse." Which he is doing partly with the help of his personal fixer named John Birchall.
From the WSJ...
> His [Birchall's] role as intermediary between Musk and some of the mothers happens in the background. Musk often has Birchall step in to handle negotiations with the women over arrangements for the pregnancy and financial support after. The arrangements play out in similar ways for the different women, according to a document and people familiar with the matter.
Birchall was involved in acquiring the property for a compound in Austin where Musk imagined the women and his growing number of babies would all live among multiple residences, according to a person familiar with the matter. <
>The report also revealed that Musk, after impregnating St. Clair, tried to convince another conservative influencer, Tiffany Wong, to have his child. The solicitation, which took place via direct message, came after Musk began sharing and interacting with FongтАЩs posts on X, driving engagement to her account and netting her thousands of dollars from the platformтАЩs тАЬrevenue-sharingтАЭ program.тАЭ That revenue then dipped after Wong turned down MuskтАЩs offer, and he subsequently unfollowed her account on X.
In texts with St. Clair, Musk discussed wanting a тАЬlegionтАЭ of children тАЬbefore the apocalypse.тАЭ A legion was the largest military unit of the Roman army, composed of roughly 5,000 men. Musk texted another wartime reference to St. Clair as he was campaigning for Trump in Pennsylvania last fall. тАЬIn all of history, there has never been a competitive army composed of women. Not even once,тАЭ he wrote. тАЬMen are made for war. Real men, anyway.тАЭ Through in vitro fertilization тАФ MuskтАЩs preferred method of breeding тАФ parents can choose their childтАЩs gender. The vast majority of his children are boys. <
This guy is practicing his own personal brand of eugenics, the basis for which goes back to his grandfather and the Technocrats of the early 20th century, the forerunners of today's Silicone Valley Tech Bros.
True. Just as the *real* problem isn't so much Donald Trump as it is the astonishing numbers of people who so willingly and gladly support and enable him.
As a man, I find all this *manly* stuff just a lot of desperate and pathetic posturing by a bunch of scaredy cats afraid of their own shadows because a shadow of a real man is all they actually have to offer.
At the risk of being perceived as a fuddy-duddy, I have to ask why references to ejaculation (or not) are funny. Yes, Elon wants to impregnate as many women as possible for their own good, which is a juvenile boast at best. Is this a guy thing? ItтАЩs really nothing less than crude humour with rape-y overtones. Is it asking too much to expect grownups not to make rape-adjacent тАЬjokesтАЭ? I know this isnтАЩt supposed to be a тАЬsafe spaceтАЭ but I thought that was a reference to not being a *politically* safe space. Or is this something I just need to тАЬget used toтАЭ?
Agree with you and the observations that you make on this reply thread. But the original comment was not surprising since тАЬboys will be boysтАЭ and so much of what fills this column with supposed insights is certainly juvenile in nature . Certainly most of todayтАЩs was somewhere between inconsequential observations of the obvious and drivel.
Having grown up in a Catholic family, we were instructed as young males that there were only two types of natural family planning that were acceptable:
The rhythm method and pulling out before ejaculation.
It was made clear that these two means of "birth control" were only within a marital relationship in which sex was consensual and based on the love between a wife and her husband. We were also firmly instructed that neither method was very effective, as witnessed by the many "rhythm babies" in our family.
I'm sorry, but in my 75 years of existence, I have never heard the action of "pulling out" in reference to rape. Isn't part of the trauma of rape that the violence might lead to pregnancy? I appreciate that your experience has been different, and the overtones of rape were real to you.
As to whether or not ejaculation can be funny.... I would usually leave it to Sonny Bunch to make the film recommendations, but if you haven't seen "There's Something About Mary," you might give it a watch sometime when you're ready for some raunchy, cringey humor.
Thank you, everyone, for your thoughtful responses. As a reporter I covered the courts and justice. I have reported on too many sexual assault trials, particularly on the Mount Cashel Christian Brothers trials. It was in the late eighties-early nineties in Newfoundland. It was the first time the men who had been boys when they were physically and sexually assaulted in truly horrific ways spoke openly about their ordeal. They openly told their stories. Before those trials men had been reluctant to speak openly because they were afraid the community would turn on them and berate them for daring to say such terrible things about the тАЬHoly Priests and good Christian BrothersтАЭ. Up till this time, schools in Newfoundland had all been denominational. Those trials broke the iron grip the Catholic Church had on the province and it was because those men were so desperately brave, that more men all over the world heard the news reports and found the courage to speak the truth.. But, yes, I donтАЩt find anything funny in sexual assault and coercion no matter who does it.
I donтАЩt think youтАЩre a fuddy duddy either. We bring our own histories to every conversation. I have my radar up for rape-y comments because theyтАЩre just so common. Like casual racism, but casual rape culture. Sometimes conversations just strike the wrong tone.
My concern is when people casually joke about something that is part of rape culture, especially if they are unaware of the associations connected with what they say. It all ads up to toxic culture. Often people of kindness and good will donтАЩt realize the origin and implications of the words and phrases they use. ItтАЩs the same with racialized language. It causes hurt and harm when none was meant.
I associated the main reference (pull out) with the never-too-distant
тАЬrape-y overtonesтАЭ by way of тАЬejaculation (or not)тАЭ:They are commonly-associated references. Put together in that context, and amplified by the pervasive mirth, particularly in view of MuskтАЩs standing offer to all women (which is very rape-y) and his good-old-boy association with Trump, the adjudicated rapist president, there were plenty of vibes to justify the association of rape being adjacent or тАЬrape-yтАЭ. Such associations are never too far away from what is euphemistically referred to as locker-room talk.
Like the world, it is too much with us. I have truly enjoyed the Bulwark environment where locker room talk is blessedly absent. I had relaxed the shock barrier that one constantly needs to have in public these days because rape culture is so pervasive. So I was really saddened when a wiff appeared and was greeted with mirth and approval. I debated whether I would register my objection but because The Bulwark is such a straight-up, honest place I thought I would speak my disappointment as mildly as I am able, short of self-censorship.
I am heartened that you did not make the same associations. I truly wish I could be like that.
I can't speak for anyone but myself here, N.L., but while I myself didn't make the association with the violence of rape vis a vie Musk and that "line" that you did, and I did engage in a couple of sarcastic / would-be humorous remarks concerning it, I don't see any reason for you to self-censor where that - or anything else - is concerned, nor fear being perceived as a fuddy-duddy.
You pay your subscription money the same as anyone else here, which entitles you to the same chance to speak you're mind. It's taken me a while to get past the self-censorship thing myself in certain areas as I have no wish to offend anyone here either. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't speak out if I feel it important enough to do so about something and let the chips fall where they may.
So, while I might not hold the same view about this particular matter as you, I do get it that you're concerned about language and the way all of us here express ourselves, as often so am I, and I absolutely respect you for that and for speaking up with your concerns, let the fuddy-duddy-ness be damned!
OMG - "Elon learns how to pull out". Brilliant.
I want to use that line first chance I get.
I have literally been in awe of that line for the last 2 minutes.
Someone should warn him that it doesn't always work. As in so much of life, timing is everything.
Damn you beat me to it.
Elon doesn't really look like he's all that well coordinated to me.
I seem to remember a joke like that about a truck driver from grade school. His buddy asked him how he broke his arm, and he answered, "Oh, I pulled out fast and fell on the floor." Elon should always remember to signal first.
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How does that statement correlate to fourteen kids from numerous women? Or was fifteen his unlucky number? Is that why Tesla Cyber Truck is such a bomb?
Those kids are part of Musk's "legion" of children he wants to create "before the apocalypse." Which he is doing partly with the help of his personal fixer named John Birchall.
From the WSJ...
> His [Birchall's] role as intermediary between Musk and some of the mothers happens in the background. Musk often has Birchall step in to handle negotiations with the women over arrangements for the pregnancy and financial support after. The arrangements play out in similar ways for the different women, according to a document and people familiar with the matter.
Birchall was involved in acquiring the property for a compound in Austin where Musk imagined the women and his growing number of babies would all live among multiple residences, according to a person familiar with the matter. <
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elon-musk-children-mothers-ashley-st-clair-grimes-dc7ba05c
>The report also revealed that Musk, after impregnating St. Clair, tried to convince another conservative influencer, Tiffany Wong, to have his child. The solicitation, which took place via direct message, came after Musk began sharing and interacting with FongтАЩs posts on X, driving engagement to her account and netting her thousands of dollars from the platformтАЩs тАЬrevenue-sharingтАЭ program.тАЭ That revenue then dipped after Wong turned down MuskтАЩs offer, and he subsequently unfollowed her account on X.
In texts with St. Clair, Musk discussed wanting a тАЬlegionтАЭ of children тАЬbefore the apocalypse.тАЭ A legion was the largest military unit of the Roman army, composed of roughly 5,000 men. Musk texted another wartime reference to St. Clair as he was campaigning for Trump in Pennsylvania last fall. тАЬIn all of history, there has never been a competitive army composed of women. Not even once,тАЭ he wrote. тАЬMen are made for war. Real men, anyway.тАЭ Through in vitro fertilization тАФ MuskтАЩs preferred method of breeding тАФ parents can choose their childтАЩs gender. The vast majority of his children are boys. <
https://www.muskwatch.com/p/the-week-in-musk-musks-legion-of
This guy is practicing his own personal brand of eugenics, the basis for which goes back to his grandfather and the Technocrats of the early 20th century, the forerunners of today's Silicone Valley Tech Bros.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/technocracy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement
I think, the real problem here isn't Musk, but the women, who comply - how stupid or desperate or whatever has someone to be..?
Also, it's always funny, to listen to wannabes like Musk talking about 'war' and 'real men'...
True. Just as the *real* problem isn't so much Donald Trump as it is the astonishing numbers of people who so willingly and gladly support and enable him.
As a man, I find all this *manly* stuff just a lot of desperate and pathetic posturing by a bunch of scaredy cats afraid of their own shadows because a shadow of a real man is all they actually have to offer.
IтАЩm unconvinced that he did anything more than fill the vial for IVF.
Had a coffee spit take on that!
At the risk of being perceived as a fuddy-duddy, I have to ask why references to ejaculation (or not) are funny. Yes, Elon wants to impregnate as many women as possible for their own good, which is a juvenile boast at best. Is this a guy thing? ItтАЩs really nothing less than crude humour with rape-y overtones. Is it asking too much to expect grownups not to make rape-adjacent тАЬjokesтАЭ? I know this isnтАЩt supposed to be a тАЬsafe spaceтАЭ but I thought that was a reference to not being a *politically* safe space. Or is this something I just need to тАЬget used toтАЭ?
Agree with you and the observations that you make on this reply thread. But the original comment was not surprising since тАЬboys will be boysтАЭ and so much of what fills this column with supposed insights is certainly juvenile in nature . Certainly most of todayтАЩs was somewhere between inconsequential observations of the obvious and drivel.
Having grown up in a Catholic family, we were instructed as young males that there were only two types of natural family planning that were acceptable:
The rhythm method and pulling out before ejaculation.
It was made clear that these two means of "birth control" were only within a marital relationship in which sex was consensual and based on the love between a wife and her husband. We were also firmly instructed that neither method was very effective, as witnessed by the many "rhythm babies" in our family.
I'm sorry, but in my 75 years of existence, I have never heard the action of "pulling out" in reference to rape. Isn't part of the trauma of rape that the violence might lead to pregnancy? I appreciate that your experience has been different, and the overtones of rape were real to you.
As to whether or not ejaculation can be funny.... I would usually leave it to Sonny Bunch to make the film recommendations, but if you haven't seen "There's Something About Mary," you might give it a watch sometime when you're ready for some raunchy, cringey humor.
Thank you, everyone, for your thoughtful responses. As a reporter I covered the courts and justice. I have reported on too many sexual assault trials, particularly on the Mount Cashel Christian Brothers trials. It was in the late eighties-early nineties in Newfoundland. It was the first time the men who had been boys when they were physically and sexually assaulted in truly horrific ways spoke openly about their ordeal. They openly told their stories. Before those trials men had been reluctant to speak openly because they were afraid the community would turn on them and berate them for daring to say such terrible things about the тАЬHoly Priests and good Christian BrothersтАЭ. Up till this time, schools in Newfoundland had all been denominational. Those trials broke the iron grip the Catholic Church had on the province and it was because those men were so desperately brave, that more men all over the world heard the news reports and found the courage to speak the truth.. But, yes, I donтАЩt find anything funny in sexual assault and coercion no matter who does it.
I donтАЩt think youтАЩre a fuddy duddy either. We bring our own histories to every conversation. I have my radar up for rape-y comments because theyтАЩre just so common. Like casual racism, but casual rape culture. Sometimes conversations just strike the wrong tone.
Absolutely. And I believe everyone who has commented agrees with you on these points.
The response is reassuring and I am grateful.
Well it was just a great line. DonтАЩt read too much into itтАж..just relax.
My concern is when people casually joke about something that is part of rape culture, especially if they are unaware of the associations connected with what they say. It all ads up to toxic culture. Often people of kindness and good will donтАЩt realize the origin and implications of the words and phrases they use. ItтАЩs the same with racialized language. It causes hurt and harm when none was meant.
Gotcha! Understandable
Why do you associate the comment with "rape"??
I don't see such a connection here.
I associated the main reference (pull out) with the never-too-distant
тАЬrape-y overtonesтАЭ by way of тАЬejaculation (or not)тАЭ:They are commonly-associated references. Put together in that context, and amplified by the pervasive mirth, particularly in view of MuskтАЩs standing offer to all women (which is very rape-y) and his good-old-boy association with Trump, the adjudicated rapist president, there were plenty of vibes to justify the association of rape being adjacent or тАЬrape-yтАЭ. Such associations are never too far away from what is euphemistically referred to as locker-room talk.
Like the world, it is too much with us. I have truly enjoyed the Bulwark environment where locker room talk is blessedly absent. I had relaxed the shock barrier that one constantly needs to have in public these days because rape culture is so pervasive. So I was really saddened when a wiff appeared and was greeted with mirth and approval. I debated whether I would register my objection but because The Bulwark is such a straight-up, honest place I thought I would speak my disappointment as mildly as I am able, short of self-censorship.
I am heartened that you did not make the same associations. I truly wish I could be like that.
I can't speak for anyone but myself here, N.L., but while I myself didn't make the association with the violence of rape vis a vie Musk and that "line" that you did, and I did engage in a couple of sarcastic / would-be humorous remarks concerning it, I don't see any reason for you to self-censor where that - or anything else - is concerned, nor fear being perceived as a fuddy-duddy.
You pay your subscription money the same as anyone else here, which entitles you to the same chance to speak you're mind. It's taken me a while to get past the self-censorship thing myself in certain areas as I have no wish to offend anyone here either. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't speak out if I feel it important enough to do so about something and let the chips fall where they may.
So, while I might not hold the same view about this particular matter as you, I do get it that you're concerned about language and the way all of us here express ourselves, as often so am I, and I absolutely respect you for that and for speaking up with your concerns, let the fuddy-duddy-ness be damned!
Worth my monthly subscription just for that line ЁЯСМ
Yes, so true !!
That would be Sam Stein at his headline best.