Actually, Trump is a lying (clocking in at more than 45K lies during his term alone and tens of thousands more before and after that abysmal time); sleazy (from "grab 'em by the pu...." to his gropes/assaults on one or more females/possible r@pes, and walking into a dressing room full of half-naked females during his tenure with The Miss Universe Org); cheating (from his trysts with other females while married - every time to his money laundering hush money pays to keep it quiet to his enablers helping to 'catch & kill" damaging info confirming his lack of decency that would take away votes from his pursuit of power and election win); to his thefts (from funneling money from The Trump Found., which was shuttered in response to the confirmation of his crime in 2017 after he swiped $2 million from a military charity fundraiser, funneled it to his campaign where Time Magazine informed the nation of what he had done to the government's help in obtaining a court order for him to repay it - not a felony charge which any private citizen who committed a crime should have received...no, this con man/thief/indecent being with no morals to speak of, received a court order - even though he was a private citizen when he committed the crime. Reason? The powers that were did not want to embarass themselves in having a sitting president indicting fro a crime (he committed). Trump did not deny the theft. He did not appeal the court order. He complied and paid it. We now have an unfit, unbalanced, unscrupulous, amoral, wack job who craves power/wealth/adulation & will stop at nothing to obtain it. And the entire slate of corrupt Republican politicians and judges will be glad to assist.
Add to that rot, his crimes committed while in Office - that are being legally allowed by a questionably right-wing (and morally bankrupt) SCOTUS. From Trump's treason (inciting the insurrection/calling for an attack on the Capitol - the government - to many attempts (and failures) to rig the election/coerce non-existent votes so he'd win the state, carry on fraud for years with the claim of a stolen election when he was the thief, etc. Trump should've been charged for his godawful neglect of the mass population during COVID - every aspect of it (including the skyrocketing death toll, cratered economy, soaring unemployment/business closings/food & product shortages/price gougings, and horrific bungling of vaccine acquisition - including throwing $265 million at Fuji Film for a vaccine.
Other Trump neglect includes: removing consumer/environmental protections, bilking millions from taxpayers, shutting down the government to get more $ (effectively blocking all Fed. workers from getting paychecks and all needy from receiving services - while the shutdown was in effect. Trump embedded his shady business interests into the Presidency and amassed millions (violating Constitutional law/the Emoluments Clause). Trump did not find something better/cheaper to replace Obamacare, as promised - he tried to kill it altogether. Trump failed to lower drug prices - as promised. He failed to keep businesses in America - as promised, Trump's huge/long-term tax cuts for the wealthy massively increased the national debt.
Worst of all (besides his decades of disloyalty, predatory malevolence and indecency towards many was his support of tyranical maniacs who ordered the deaths of many of their own people - but stood by as two particular Americans were murdered/tortured. A member of the Saudi Regime ordered the murder/dismemberment of an American citizen/NY Times reporter. Trump supported the regime. Kim Jong-un, despotic leader of N. Korea stood by as an American student was tortured/put into a coma/and soon died. Trump did nothing but exchange love letters with Jong-un.
Trump's slurs against U.S. allies, females, military heroes, disabled individuals, ethnic groups, former friends/colleagues, Democrats, all those who attempted to prosecute him for his crimes, his own VP, Rep. & Dem. Pres., a former Rep. Sec. of State, all media (except the right-wing propaganda outlets that withhold damaging & truthful info re his lack of decency/humanity/loaylty/ethics/adherence to the law, etc.
And, this monsters - who vowed vengeance over many (for any reason at all), a dictatorship of horror, more of the same - and much worse.....wants another chance?
Other than promising more tax cuts for the elite, more money for the fossil fuel industry, more power for him & less for any other branch, hell for the masses, loss of freedom, attempts to quiet the media who is against him, more sociopathic/psychopathic behaviors & malevolence - what is he offering?
My poorly made point is that almost all true conservatives have left the Republican party and there is very little about the current Republican party that is conservative.
I don't believe Conservative is the correct term, anymore. It's right-wing as Trump has been extreme in his law-breaking (in spite of the aid SCOTUS judges & the slate of Republicans provide), hunger for power, and enrichment of the elite & harm to the masses.
Actually, Trump is a lying (clocking in at more than 45K lies during his term alone and tens of thousands more before and after that abysmal time); sleazy (from "grab 'em by the pu...." to his gropes/assaults on one or more females/possible r@pes, and walking into a dressing room full of half-naked females during his tenure with The Miss Universe Org); cheating (from his trysts with other females while married - every time to his money laundering hush money pays to keep it quiet to his enablers helping to 'catch & kill" damaging info confirming his lack of decency that would take away votes from his pursuit of power and election win); to his thefts (from funneling money from The Trump Found., which was shuttered in response to the confirmation of his crime in 2017 after he swiped $2 million from a military charity fundraiser, funneled it to his campaign where Time Magazine informed the nation of what he had done to the government's help in obtaining a court order for him to repay it - not a felony charge which any private citizen who committed a crime should have received...no, this con man/thief/indecent being with no morals to speak of, received a court order - even though he was a private citizen when he committed the crime. Reason? The powers that were did not want to embarass themselves in having a sitting president indicting fro a crime (he committed). Trump did not deny the theft. He did not appeal the court order. He complied and paid it. We now have an unfit, unbalanced, unscrupulous, amoral, wack job who craves power/wealth/adulation & will stop at nothing to obtain it. And the entire slate of corrupt Republican politicians and judges will be glad to assist.
Add to that rot, his crimes committed while in Office - that are being legally allowed by a questionably right-wing (and morally bankrupt) SCOTUS. From Trump's treason (inciting the insurrection/calling for an attack on the Capitol - the government - to many attempts (and failures) to rig the election/coerce non-existent votes so he'd win the state, carry on fraud for years with the claim of a stolen election when he was the thief, etc. Trump should've been charged for his godawful neglect of the mass population during COVID - every aspect of it (including the skyrocketing death toll, cratered economy, soaring unemployment/business closings/food & product shortages/price gougings, and horrific bungling of vaccine acquisition - including throwing $265 million at Fuji Film for a vaccine.
Other Trump neglect includes: removing consumer/environmental protections, bilking millions from taxpayers, shutting down the government to get more $ (effectively blocking all Fed. workers from getting paychecks and all needy from receiving services - while the shutdown was in effect. Trump embedded his shady business interests into the Presidency and amassed millions (violating Constitutional law/the Emoluments Clause). Trump did not find something better/cheaper to replace Obamacare, as promised - he tried to kill it altogether. Trump failed to lower drug prices - as promised. He failed to keep businesses in America - as promised, Trump's huge/long-term tax cuts for the wealthy massively increased the national debt.
Worst of all (besides his decades of disloyalty, predatory malevolence and indecency towards many was his support of tyranical maniacs who ordered the deaths of many of their own people - but stood by as two particular Americans were murdered/tortured. A member of the Saudi Regime ordered the murder/dismemberment of an American citizen/NY Times reporter. Trump supported the regime. Kim Jong-un, despotic leader of N. Korea stood by as an American student was tortured/put into a coma/and soon died. Trump did nothing but exchange love letters with Jong-un.
Trump's slurs against U.S. allies, females, military heroes, disabled individuals, ethnic groups, former friends/colleagues, Democrats, all those who attempted to prosecute him for his crimes, his own VP, Rep. & Dem. Pres., a former Rep. Sec. of State, all media (except the right-wing propaganda outlets that withhold damaging & truthful info re his lack of decency/humanity/loaylty/ethics/adherence to the law, etc.
And, this monsters - who vowed vengeance over many (for any reason at all), a dictatorship of horror, more of the same - and much worse.....wants another chance?
Other than promising more tax cuts for the elite, more money for the fossil fuel industry, more power for him & less for any other branch, hell for the masses, loss of freedom, attempts to quiet the media who is against him, more sociopathic/psychopathic behaviors & malevolence - what is he offering?
Yeah, but it's more fun for Conservatives to focus on the shortcomings of Democrats.
Who are these "conservatives" you speak of? I see none.
Bill Kristol isn't a conservative?
I think Bill is a conservative.
My poorly made point is that almost all true conservatives have left the Republican party and there is very little about the current Republican party that is conservative.
Very, very true, but they keep calling themselves "conservative." Coming up with confidence labels on a message board is tough. :)
No they haven't. Hogan, Romney, Ryan, and many others still are a part of the GOP and identify as Republican.
Name a GOP who shifted to Independent. None.
those that support trump are the conservatives he's talking about
Right. Humpty Dumpty did say, "Words mean what I pay them to mean, nothing more and nothing less."
I don't believe Conservative is the correct term, anymore. It's right-wing as Trump has been extreme in his law-breaking (in spite of the aid SCOTUS judges & the slate of Republicans provide), hunger for power, and enrichment of the elite & harm to the masses.
I get it, they just aren't conservative.
Sure they are. They call themselves conservative.
So we are what we call ourselves? Cool, IтАЩll be a billionaire then.
They call themselves just or ethical...that doesn't mean they are.
Do you prefer corrupt individuals/groups or right wing?
I prefer right wing, authoritarian or fascist.
All conservatives.
I learned recently that projecting a blizzard of lies so that an opponent cannot respond to them all is a bad faith debate tactic of long standing.
The Gish Gallop was first positing in, I think, 1994.
Yep.