Do you want to win, or do you want to go down in flames. Biden was a good president, but now he’s experiencing a cognitive decline. We have no idea whether he can perform his duties effectively for another four years. And we don’t elect his advisors, who have not been vetted.
Ironically, the same people who tell us that this election is critical; Too Much is at stake,” are gaslighting themselves, and the rest of us by living in denial.
Too much is at stake when Biden is losing in every swing state (seven). This isn’t a one off! Concerns have been circulating for over a year, and we have been lied to by Biden, his family, and his advisors.
It’s time to have a contingency plan of Biden can’t alleviate the naysayers effectively. Otherwise, all is lost!
So continue to support Biden, but you do so at your own peril. And sadly, that “peril” will be the death of all of us.
Biden's skack-jawed, lost & bewildered facial expression in the debate performance, and the loss of his train of thought and wandering off the topic of his talking point wasn't a "one-off" or a "first time".
Prior to this were many similar moments published in the press and broadcast media that were already souring the opinions of undecided voters.
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Personally I'm encouraging the defeat of every MAGA candidate from Trump down to local dog-catchers, but pretending the public isn't seeing the age releated decline right in front of their eyes is self-defeating.
When Democrats say: "don't believe the evidence of your eyes.." to the undecideds we put every cause and position in doubt with them.
The debate performance added a big pile of credibility to the prior reporting and rumors about declining acuity. The people dismissing it as "one bad night" are not being realistic about the whole picture.
I will once again state my position (not necessarily everyone's) is that Joe's run the country well for the past several years, we saw the debate and it was ugly, but finding a better candidate at this point is more risky than staying with Joe and understanding that's the better of the 2 evils.
I totally get that many people think this is no longer a choice and you have to pick someone else.
I just disagree with that but see your point. God's speed in finding the replacement. Kamala would seem to me to be the ONLY viable choice but many disagree with me on that as well.
I'm fine with disagreeing but please don't act like we are ignoring what was on full display on Thursday night although I think to think he wanders around the WH with his mouth agape is hyperbolic. Like Joe, I did my share of that watching/listening to Trump's firehose of lies that night...
I respectfully disagree. This is not “one bad night.” The concern had been floated for over a year, and the administration continually hid this fact from the American people, and denied it as propaganda and fake news. That’s election malpractice; especially in an election where “too much is at stake!”
As for Biden running the country well? I’d say he did a great job, but now is the time to retire with dignity. Churchill was a war PM. He was a terrible PM during peace times and voted out. Sometimes we rise to “an” occasion, not “every” occasion…:)
That said, Biden has cognitive disabilities which comes with aging. Unless you can tell me that he will be fine for the next four years, then he should not be running. We not electing his advisors who haven’t fully been vetted.
And as for changing horses midstream. In an ordinary election year, I’d agree; this is far from an ordinary election campaign. The good news is that most Americans would prefer a younger choice whether it’s Biden or Trump, so there is an upside to switching horses, not to mention, the billions in free advertising Harris would get.
Biden does not inspire anyone. Perhaps a new candidate will galvanize all the democrats who would rather stay home, independents, and never Trumper’s, who are just as flabbergasted by Thursday’s debate performance, as we were.
He looked great at the State of the Union so it's not been as obvious as you all seem to make it...especially given that he's simply old. Not to mention that if you read a transcript of the debate...95% of what he said was truthful and appropriate...just poorly delivered.
Again...my BIGGEST point here is that you are introducing MORE risk items by changing horses. The Kamala option presents the least amount of those.
I get it...you think the risk of staying with Biden is more than the risk of switching. We may get to see how it goes...and if so...I hope you're right.
I wouldn’t be so down on Biden if it weren’t for the fact that his team had not made him accessible for over a year. Thursday night was his time to shine and prove the naysayers wrong. And if you look at the polling, any progress in the polls that Biden made, is gone. Now he’s losing by wider margins.
In 2020, Biden was in the lead the entire time. In 2024, he’s been losing the entire time. We aren’t MAGA. We’re fighting for democracy, not for Biden’s place in history.
And if Biden has another “senior” moment ( being very generous) like Thursday, we won’t recover. The election would be over, and the only possible good news would be if he doesn’t take the entire “down-ballot” ticket with him….:)
I wouldn't be so down on changing horses except for all the things that could go terribly wrong....like skeletons we weren't aware of...they say something incredibly stupid (they will be scrutinized worse than Biden)....or the Dems can't agree on who is the replacement....
What is your evidence for the statement "he is experiencing a cognitive decline?" If you read the transcript of the debate--without the hoarse, weak voice--you will see that he makes complete sense. Seth Abramson wrote an outstanding piece about this, which also explains the Gish Gallop; Heather Cox Richardson also explained the Gish Gallop. Biden was clearly ill. He also has a stutter, which was pronounced under the stress of the Gish Gallop. Again, his actual words made perfect sense. If you are interested in autocracy, carry on. Otherwise, get behind the Biden team.
Pamela, I’m not interested in autocracy, which is why Incant support Biden anymore. Don’t get me wrong; he has my vote, but I’m not the issue.
Biden won the last election by 7 million votes nationally, but only won the electoral college by 40-50 thousand votes in three key swing states. Yet now, he’s behind in all seven swing states, including three “must win”’swing states: MI, WI, and PA. Not exactly a winning formula.
And this was not just one bad night as you would have us believe. This issue has been circulating and denied by Biden for over a year. Thursday was his chance to convince his voter he was fine: all evidence points to the contrary.
We can’t elect a man for six months or a year. He’s president for four years. Do you honestly believe he will be able to do this job for four years, when his own advisers have refused to allow him to participate in news conferences and MSM interviews?
Right now we need to be focused on all of Trump’s lies and the Heritage Foundations’s Project 2025. Instead, the media will continue to make Biden the issue until he either shows he’s up for the job, or proves he’s not. Either way, Trump’s lies go unanswered, and his lies will eventually become alternative facts believed by enough voters to win the election.
How can we support a man who can’t even articulate his own accomplishments? Today, 35% of Americans believe that Biden is responsible the end of Roe v Wade. 60% of Americans believe that Trump is better for the economy and as a defender of democracy. These are actual facts.
So it doesn’t matter what Biden has accomplished because most people have no idea. And as the adage goes: if a tree falls in the forest, does anyone hear it? Or better yet, does it matter?
Bottom line: Biden has been ineffective at communicating his wins, or convincing Americans to give him a second term. And now we’re playing defense at a time when our democracy is on the menu. And sadly, the man more Americans believe is ready to lead this country into the future, isn’t Biden, it’s Trump.
I refuse to commit Seppuku without a fight. Backing Biden is suicide! IMHO…:)
The only viable next choice is Kamala...otherwise the Biden replacement is found running on their own record (which is what?) or....awkwardly...the Biden record... the guy we just kicked out.
The thing to understand about my position is that I'm not "Biden or nothing"...I just believe that switching horses at this stage of the game brings in more risks than with Biden running.
Everyone says Biden's going to lose, but I'm not so sure of that come November.
But it wasn't complete sense. In talking about abortion rights, he flips to talking about a woman being killed by an immigrant and Trump going to her funeral. When talking about the economy, he ends his remark with an emphatic "and we beat Medicare!" which had nothing to do with the discussion. His brain seemed to switch topics mid-stream.
Then instead of confusing the issue and bashing the president, why not say that you don’t support him because you think he won’t win. That appears to be your main issue.
I’m sorry, what exactly in my comments would suggest otherwise? Of course I don’t think he can win. All evidence and polling for the last year shows Biden behind, which supports the fact that Biden can’t win.
I wish Biden could win. He has my vote, but I’m not the issue. The issue is whether Biden can win; he can’t, and hopefully, he will do the right thing and drop out of the race.
Biden has been and is now losing by a wider margin in every battleground state. This is a fact. I like Biden, but Inlove our democracy and our freedoms more.
It’s a risk, but less than the risk of sticking with Biden.
I will vote for Biden ahead of Trump because Trump is a menace.
The issue is that the swing voters who decide elections are breaking the other way, and mostly, it appears, because they think Biden is too mentally impaired. How would you persuade them that they are wrong?
Some of us think he can't win because he doesn't have the strength, stamina, vigor or mental agility it takes to RUN for President. And that's pretty important.
It takes nothing away from my admiration of everything he's done as President. Of course, if he's the nominee, I will vote for him. But the most important thing is stopping Trump from winning. Can Biden do that?
None of us has a crystal ball. I’m uncomfortable with all the Biden can do this, or can’t do that. Biden is demented, Biden can’t keep up. Biden does more stuff in a day than I do in a week and I take care of my home, work two part time jobs and volunteer for animal welfare orgs.
And really some of the pundits are closer to Biden’s age- Bill Kristol is 71. Charlie Sykes is 69. What is the universal cut off age for old? If republicans win they’ll have old people all working bc they want to end social security. How did it happen that Biden was doing the job - flying all over the world, attending the G-7 and now he’s toast. Mel Brooks is 98 and still working as are many other people. I realize that Biden’s job is unique but CTFO.
We are all getting older every damn day and the media, including the Bulwark is addicted to writing the best and nastiest headlines to work the public up and make everyone more angry. FFS! Enough.
And it escapes me as to why an old republican like KRISTOL, who hasn’t really changed is getting so much trust from people here.
My problem with the nature of this entire argument is exactly what you said "Do you want to win or go down in flames?". Hitching our wagon to VP Harris would certainly lead to us going down in flames. There is a reason why it was very well known that she was not a particularly well-liked or charismatic politician, that hasn't changed. We need to stop convincing ourselves that the alternative is better just because it is an alternative.
She’s a different person than before. And she was a prosecutor who was great on the Judicial Committee in the Senate. She can definitely counteract all of Trump’s lies and since she’s a woman, would be better at communicating the abortion issue.
Right now Harris is polling better than Trump in a one on one contest. And whether you like it or not, Biden is losing in every swing state needed to win this election: all seven!
Biden won by 7 million votes in 2020, yet only won the electoral college by 40-50 thousand votes in three swing states, that tipped the election in his favor. So please elaborate as to how Biden can win this election?
An alternative isn’t necessarily better, but we need a Hail Mary, because right now, Trump wins handedly. And one aspect is in our favor. Most voters, and especially much needed independents, would prefer a younger, generic candidate to either Trump or Biden.
Yes. Let's be honest, Biden has objectively aged greatly since 2020. Trump, on the other hand, has barely changed, he was crazy af back then and he's a slightly crazier sob now, but it's hard to tell because he was so crazy already in 2016! So Biden going downhill fast only hurts him and the Dems, while nothing Trump does is going to hurt him much, because the craziness is already baked in and his supporters actually like the crazy!
Everybody knows Trump is lying in the first place. Her calling him out would not enlighten anyone about who Donald Trump actually is. The recently released polls showing a Kamala lead over Biden in a head to head against Trump is appealing on it’s surface, but there are too many people trying to grasp at a fleeting moment in time in order to justify upending a Presidential campaign with 5 months to go. Again, lets take a step back and look at this poll. It would go against everything we know about politics to believe that there is a block of voters significant enough to swing an election that would vote for Harris over Trump but not Biden over Trump. This is evidence that shows Biden should stay in this race. This shows that there are people who are clearly dissatisfied with both the options, and they finally have the ability to voice that dissatisfaction in a poll. These same people, almost certainly, would be checking Joe Bidens name in November. Taking that gamble is far less risky than the gamble of nominating someone new at this point. Doing so would create an environment in which there would be so much focus on the chaos in the Democratic party, there would be no time, and no attention given towards working to defeat Donald Trump.
My point exactly, this isn’t a new story and if there wasn’t a push to replace him 4,5,6 months ago, then the time has passed and our bed has been made. It’s not my fault you all regret your decision of staying silent, but don’t change up now. You’ll be jumping from a sinking ship with a chance of staying afloat to another sinking ship (but it might also stay afloat) that’s your logic after all, isn’t it?
No her candidacy would not take us down in flames. It's just as likely Trump would be so triggered by running against a much younger black woman, he would take his own candidacy down in flames.
If Trump being a convicted felon, being found liable for rape, causing January 6th hasn't brought down his candidacy then why should I believe that Kamala Harris would be his kryptonite. There is no reason why we should believe that to be true.
Because his cognitive decline is coupled with a severe personality disorder. What Litt impulse control he had over his outbursts is slipping. He was saved in the debate by the two minute mic mute. If that wasn't there we would have had a totally different debate. One worse than the first debate in 2020. A format that was supposed to favor Biden only served to protect Trump.
It's not outside the realm of possibility, sure, yet you say this as if it would be a certain fact as where I read it and find it to be a very unlikely outcome.
The thought of losing to a black woman would be a major narcissistic injury for him. Right up there with serving prison time. He doesn't have any delay strategy for that like he's used in courts. He would be very very triggered. You can bet his campaign doesn't want this scenario at all.
“Everybody knows Trump is lying in the first place.”
No, they don’t! That’s the problem. Trump has an entire media ecosystem dedicated to defending his lies, and making them alternative facts. And his ecosystem has grown even larger since Biden was inaugurated. Univision was bought by a friend of Kushner’s and has reprogrammed its content to be pro-Trump. Trump has gained double digits in the Hispanic community as a result.
The Baltimore Sun was bought by Sinclair and is reprogramming their content to make Trump out to be a big supporter of the African American community and then broadcasting articles on every Sinclair local media channel available. Trump has gained African American support as a result.
And don’t expect the MSM to save the day. Did you notice the lack of fact checking during the debate? And since Biden’s debacle, the only thing anyone is talking about in the media and on websites like this is whether Biden can recover, or should resign from this campaign.
That said, 54% of American adults read at a six grade level or lower. American is ranked 125 out of 195 in literacy around the world. So no, “EVERYONE doesn’t know Trump is a liar; if they did, more than 55% of Americans wouldn’t believe that Trump is better for the economy or democracy, yet, they do!
Robert, is people consume media within the Trump ecosystem, Kamala Harris, no matter what she says or how she says it, is not going to be able to convince them about much of anything. You don't need to be engrossed within politics to know that Trump says outlandish things or to know that he is a liar. The simple fact is that most people just do not care at this point. For the swing voters in swing states who are often older and educated, they certainly know he is a liar. How can you convince yourself that after 8 years, Kamala Harris is the answer all along to making people see the light about Trump?
Well then, please tell me why Biden has been losing in every swing state since the campaign started,and has never taken the lead? He was even up in NH by 12, and now is down by 3; a nine point swing as of yesterday.
But let’s stick with Biden as the walls slowly collapse all around us: Great strategy Matt!
Feel free to go down with the ship. I’m calling for a new captain: End of story!
The simple logic test for this situation is: Do you truly believe that there are is substantial block of voters (large enough to swing an election) that would vote for Harris over Trump but NOT Biden over Trump? That feels as though it is based purely in fantasy, not reality.
Maybe. Harris is 59 yo and a younger generation that Biden and Trump.. She can land blows about Trump’s age and unfitness that Joe Biden could never do. She may not be the first choice for many Dems and Independents. However, Biden is polling behind Harris. Harris and a good solid VP choice running with her may be our best shot. No, I don't know for certain. Nobody does. It is clear that there are serious questions about Biden's health that may have been managed behind the scenes. No one wants to see Biden disrespected or humiliated.
Nobody knows for certain, exactly. Yet my assesment of this situation is that it would be far riskier to nominate someone new at this point as opposed to staying with Joe Biden, who lets not forget, has still managed to run this country very well. I don't know for certain Biden would win, I don't know for certain if Kamala would win, but I would rather not take a massive gamble for something that I am equally not certain about.
Sure, then we should have had this discussion a year ago. Creating a firestorm 5 months out about replacing Biden with an (unpopular) younger person is doing more harm then sucking it up and sticking behind our guy. If republicans can get behind Trump and his baggage, then why should we self-destruct.
Do you want to win, or do you want to go down in flames. Biden was a good president, but now he’s experiencing a cognitive decline. We have no idea whether he can perform his duties effectively for another four years. And we don’t elect his advisors, who have not been vetted.
Ironically, the same people who tell us that this election is critical; Too Much is at stake,” are gaslighting themselves, and the rest of us by living in denial.
Too much is at stake when Biden is losing in every swing state (seven). This isn’t a one off! Concerns have been circulating for over a year, and we have been lied to by Biden, his family, and his advisors.
It’s time to have a contingency plan of Biden can’t alleviate the naysayers effectively. Otherwise, all is lost!
So continue to support Biden, but you do so at your own peril. And sadly, that “peril” will be the death of all of us.
IMHO!…:)
Biden's skack-jawed, lost & bewildered facial expression in the debate performance, and the loss of his train of thought and wandering off the topic of his talking point wasn't a "one-off" or a "first time".
Prior to this were many similar moments published in the press and broadcast media that were already souring the opinions of undecided voters.
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Personally I'm encouraging the defeat of every MAGA candidate from Trump down to local dog-catchers, but pretending the public isn't seeing the age releated decline right in front of their eyes is self-defeating.
When Democrats say: "don't believe the evidence of your eyes.." to the undecideds we put every cause and position in doubt with them.
Exactly! A lot of democrats are gaslighting themselves, and then trying to gaslight the rest of us. Thursday’s debacle cannot be unseen….:)
The debate performance added a big pile of credibility to the prior reporting and rumors about declining acuity. The people dismissing it as "one bad night" are not being realistic about the whole picture.
I will once again state my position (not necessarily everyone's) is that Joe's run the country well for the past several years, we saw the debate and it was ugly, but finding a better candidate at this point is more risky than staying with Joe and understanding that's the better of the 2 evils.
I totally get that many people think this is no longer a choice and you have to pick someone else.
I just disagree with that but see your point. God's speed in finding the replacement. Kamala would seem to me to be the ONLY viable choice but many disagree with me on that as well.
I'm fine with disagreeing but please don't act like we are ignoring what was on full display on Thursday night although I think to think he wanders around the WH with his mouth agape is hyperbolic. Like Joe, I did my share of that watching/listening to Trump's firehose of lies that night...
I respectfully disagree. This is not “one bad night.” The concern had been floated for over a year, and the administration continually hid this fact from the American people, and denied it as propaganda and fake news. That’s election malpractice; especially in an election where “too much is at stake!”
As for Biden running the country well? I’d say he did a great job, but now is the time to retire with dignity. Churchill was a war PM. He was a terrible PM during peace times and voted out. Sometimes we rise to “an” occasion, not “every” occasion…:)
That said, Biden has cognitive disabilities which comes with aging. Unless you can tell me that he will be fine for the next four years, then he should not be running. We not electing his advisors who haven’t fully been vetted.
And as for changing horses midstream. In an ordinary election year, I’d agree; this is far from an ordinary election campaign. The good news is that most Americans would prefer a younger choice whether it’s Biden or Trump, so there is an upside to switching horses, not to mention, the billions in free advertising Harris would get.
Biden does not inspire anyone. Perhaps a new candidate will galvanize all the democrats who would rather stay home, independents, and never Trumper’s, who are just as flabbergasted by Thursday’s debate performance, as we were.
He looked great at the State of the Union so it's not been as obvious as you all seem to make it...especially given that he's simply old. Not to mention that if you read a transcript of the debate...95% of what he said was truthful and appropriate...just poorly delivered.
Again...my BIGGEST point here is that you are introducing MORE risk items by changing horses. The Kamala option presents the least amount of those.
I get it...you think the risk of staying with Biden is more than the risk of switching. We may get to see how it goes...and if so...I hope you're right.
I wouldn’t be so down on Biden if it weren’t for the fact that his team had not made him accessible for over a year. Thursday night was his time to shine and prove the naysayers wrong. And if you look at the polling, any progress in the polls that Biden made, is gone. Now he’s losing by wider margins.
In 2020, Biden was in the lead the entire time. In 2024, he’s been losing the entire time. We aren’t MAGA. We’re fighting for democracy, not for Biden’s place in history.
And if Biden has another “senior” moment ( being very generous) like Thursday, we won’t recover. The election would be over, and the only possible good news would be if he doesn’t take the entire “down-ballot” ticket with him….:)
I wouldn't be so down on changing horses except for all the things that could go terribly wrong....like skeletons we weren't aware of...they say something incredibly stupid (they will be scrutinized worse than Biden)....or the Dems can't agree on who is the replacement....
What is your evidence for the statement "he is experiencing a cognitive decline?" If you read the transcript of the debate--without the hoarse, weak voice--you will see that he makes complete sense. Seth Abramson wrote an outstanding piece about this, which also explains the Gish Gallop; Heather Cox Richardson also explained the Gish Gallop. Biden was clearly ill. He also has a stutter, which was pronounced under the stress of the Gish Gallop. Again, his actual words made perfect sense. If you are interested in autocracy, carry on. Otherwise, get behind the Biden team.
Pamela, I’m not interested in autocracy, which is why Incant support Biden anymore. Don’t get me wrong; he has my vote, but I’m not the issue.
Biden won the last election by 7 million votes nationally, but only won the electoral college by 40-50 thousand votes in three key swing states. Yet now, he’s behind in all seven swing states, including three “must win”’swing states: MI, WI, and PA. Not exactly a winning formula.
And this was not just one bad night as you would have us believe. This issue has been circulating and denied by Biden for over a year. Thursday was his chance to convince his voter he was fine: all evidence points to the contrary.
We can’t elect a man for six months or a year. He’s president for four years. Do you honestly believe he will be able to do this job for four years, when his own advisers have refused to allow him to participate in news conferences and MSM interviews?
Right now we need to be focused on all of Trump’s lies and the Heritage Foundations’s Project 2025. Instead, the media will continue to make Biden the issue until he either shows he’s up for the job, or proves he’s not. Either way, Trump’s lies go unanswered, and his lies will eventually become alternative facts believed by enough voters to win the election.
How can we support a man who can’t even articulate his own accomplishments? Today, 35% of Americans believe that Biden is responsible the end of Roe v Wade. 60% of Americans believe that Trump is better for the economy and as a defender of democracy. These are actual facts.
So it doesn’t matter what Biden has accomplished because most people have no idea. And as the adage goes: if a tree falls in the forest, does anyone hear it? Or better yet, does it matter?
Bottom line: Biden has been ineffective at communicating his wins, or convincing Americans to give him a second term. And now we’re playing defense at a time when our democracy is on the menu. And sadly, the man more Americans believe is ready to lead this country into the future, isn’t Biden, it’s Trump.
I refuse to commit Seppuku without a fight. Backing Biden is suicide! IMHO…:)
The only viable next choice is Kamala...otherwise the Biden replacement is found running on their own record (which is what?) or....awkwardly...the Biden record... the guy we just kicked out.
The thing to understand about my position is that I'm not "Biden or nothing"...I just believe that switching horses at this stage of the game brings in more risks than with Biden running.
Everyone says Biden's going to lose, but I'm not so sure of that come November.
But it wasn't complete sense. In talking about abortion rights, he flips to talking about a woman being killed by an immigrant and Trump going to her funeral. When talking about the economy, he ends his remark with an emphatic "and we beat Medicare!" which had nothing to do with the discussion. His brain seemed to switch topics mid-stream.
"His actual words make sense." Were we watching the same debate?
I love Joe Biden! But burying our heads in the sand is for ostriches.
Here are some of Joe Biden's "actual words" that are going to be played on a continuous loop by Republicans: "Look, if we finally beat Medicare."
Then instead of confusing the issue and bashing the president, why not say that you don’t support him because you think he won’t win. That appears to be your main issue.
I’m sorry, what exactly in my comments would suggest otherwise? Of course I don’t think he can win. All evidence and polling for the last year shows Biden behind, which supports the fact that Biden can’t win.
I wish Biden could win. He has my vote, but I’m not the issue. The issue is whether Biden can win; he can’t, and hopefully, he will do the right thing and drop out of the race.
Yeah and the Red wave predicted by all the pollsters and pundits was so accurate.
Biden has been and is now losing by a wider margin in every battleground state. This is a fact. I like Biden, but Inlove our democracy and our freedoms more.
It’s a risk, but less than the risk of sticking with Biden.
I will vote for Biden ahead of Trump because Trump is a menace.
The issue is that the swing voters who decide elections are breaking the other way, and mostly, it appears, because they think Biden is too mentally impaired. How would you persuade them that they are wrong?
He can’t win because 76% of voters think he’s too old.
Some of us think he can't win because he doesn't have the strength, stamina, vigor or mental agility it takes to RUN for President. And that's pretty important.
It takes nothing away from my admiration of everything he's done as President. Of course, if he's the nominee, I will vote for him. But the most important thing is stopping Trump from winning. Can Biden do that?
None of us has a crystal ball. I’m uncomfortable with all the Biden can do this, or can’t do that. Biden is demented, Biden can’t keep up. Biden does more stuff in a day than I do in a week and I take care of my home, work two part time jobs and volunteer for animal welfare orgs.
And really some of the pundits are closer to Biden’s age- Bill Kristol is 71. Charlie Sykes is 69. What is the universal cut off age for old? If republicans win they’ll have old people all working bc they want to end social security. How did it happen that Biden was doing the job - flying all over the world, attending the G-7 and now he’s toast. Mel Brooks is 98 and still working as are many other people. I realize that Biden’s job is unique but CTFO.
We are all getting older every damn day and the media, including the Bulwark is addicted to writing the best and nastiest headlines to work the public up and make everyone more angry. FFS! Enough.
And it escapes me as to why an old republican like KRISTOL, who hasn’t really changed is getting so much trust from people here.
My problem with the nature of this entire argument is exactly what you said "Do you want to win or go down in flames?". Hitching our wagon to VP Harris would certainly lead to us going down in flames. There is a reason why it was very well known that she was not a particularly well-liked or charismatic politician, that hasn't changed. We need to stop convincing ourselves that the alternative is better just because it is an alternative.
She’s a different person than before. And she was a prosecutor who was great on the Judicial Committee in the Senate. She can definitely counteract all of Trump’s lies and since she’s a woman, would be better at communicating the abortion issue.
Right now Harris is polling better than Trump in a one on one contest. And whether you like it or not, Biden is losing in every swing state needed to win this election: all seven!
Biden won by 7 million votes in 2020, yet only won the electoral college by 40-50 thousand votes in three swing states, that tipped the election in his favor. So please elaborate as to how Biden can win this election?
An alternative isn’t necessarily better, but we need a Hail Mary, because right now, Trump wins handedly. And one aspect is in our favor. Most voters, and especially much needed independents, would prefer a younger, generic candidate to either Trump or Biden.
Yes. Let's be honest, Biden has objectively aged greatly since 2020. Trump, on the other hand, has barely changed, he was crazy af back then and he's a slightly crazier sob now, but it's hard to tell because he was so crazy already in 2016! So Biden going downhill fast only hurts him and the Dems, while nothing Trump does is going to hurt him much, because the craziness is already baked in and his supporters actually like the crazy!
Everybody knows Trump is lying in the first place. Her calling him out would not enlighten anyone about who Donald Trump actually is. The recently released polls showing a Kamala lead over Biden in a head to head against Trump is appealing on it’s surface, but there are too many people trying to grasp at a fleeting moment in time in order to justify upending a Presidential campaign with 5 months to go. Again, lets take a step back and look at this poll. It would go against everything we know about politics to believe that there is a block of voters significant enough to swing an election that would vote for Harris over Trump but not Biden over Trump. This is evidence that shows Biden should stay in this race. This shows that there are people who are clearly dissatisfied with both the options, and they finally have the ability to voice that dissatisfaction in a poll. These same people, almost certainly, would be checking Joe Bidens name in November. Taking that gamble is far less risky than the gamble of nominating someone new at this point. Doing so would create an environment in which there would be so much focus on the chaos in the Democratic party, there would be no time, and no attention given towards working to defeat Donald Trump.
My point exactly, this isn’t a new story and if there wasn’t a push to replace him 4,5,6 months ago, then the time has passed and our bed has been made. It’s not my fault you all regret your decision of staying silent, but don’t change up now. You’ll be jumping from a sinking ship with a chance of staying afloat to another sinking ship (but it might also stay afloat) that’s your logic after all, isn’t it?
No her candidacy would not take us down in flames. It's just as likely Trump would be so triggered by running against a much younger black woman, he would take his own candidacy down in flames.
If Trump being a convicted felon, being found liable for rape, causing January 6th hasn't brought down his candidacy then why should I believe that Kamala Harris would be his kryptonite. There is no reason why we should believe that to be true.
Because his cognitive decline is coupled with a severe personality disorder. What Litt impulse control he had over his outbursts is slipping. He was saved in the debate by the two minute mic mute. If that wasn't there we would have had a totally different debate. One worse than the first debate in 2020. A format that was supposed to favor Biden only served to protect Trump.
It's not outside the realm of possibility, sure, yet you say this as if it would be a certain fact as where I read it and find it to be a very unlikely outcome.
The thought of losing to a black woman would be a major narcissistic injury for him. Right up there with serving prison time. He doesn't have any delay strategy for that like he's used in courts. He would be very very triggered. You can bet his campaign doesn't want this scenario at all.
“Everybody knows Trump is lying in the first place.”
No, they don’t! That’s the problem. Trump has an entire media ecosystem dedicated to defending his lies, and making them alternative facts. And his ecosystem has grown even larger since Biden was inaugurated. Univision was bought by a friend of Kushner’s and has reprogrammed its content to be pro-Trump. Trump has gained double digits in the Hispanic community as a result.
The Baltimore Sun was bought by Sinclair and is reprogramming their content to make Trump out to be a big supporter of the African American community and then broadcasting articles on every Sinclair local media channel available. Trump has gained African American support as a result.
And don’t expect the MSM to save the day. Did you notice the lack of fact checking during the debate? And since Biden’s debacle, the only thing anyone is talking about in the media and on websites like this is whether Biden can recover, or should resign from this campaign.
That said, 54% of American adults read at a six grade level or lower. American is ranked 125 out of 195 in literacy around the world. So no, “EVERYONE doesn’t know Trump is a liar; if they did, more than 55% of Americans wouldn’t believe that Trump is better for the economy or democracy, yet, they do!
Robert, is people consume media within the Trump ecosystem, Kamala Harris, no matter what she says or how she says it, is not going to be able to convince them about much of anything. You don't need to be engrossed within politics to know that Trump says outlandish things or to know that he is a liar. The simple fact is that most people just do not care at this point. For the swing voters in swing states who are often older and educated, they certainly know he is a liar. How can you convince yourself that after 8 years, Kamala Harris is the answer all along to making people see the light about Trump?
Well then, please tell me why Biden has been losing in every swing state since the campaign started,and has never taken the lead? He was even up in NH by 12, and now is down by 3; a nine point swing as of yesterday.
But let’s stick with Biden as the walls slowly collapse all around us: Great strategy Matt!
Feel free to go down with the ship. I’m calling for a new captain: End of story!
The simple logic test for this situation is: Do you truly believe that there are is substantial block of voters (large enough to swing an election) that would vote for Harris over Trump but NOT Biden over Trump? That feels as though it is based purely in fantasy, not reality.
Maybe. Harris is 59 yo and a younger generation that Biden and Trump.. She can land blows about Trump’s age and unfitness that Joe Biden could never do. She may not be the first choice for many Dems and Independents. However, Biden is polling behind Harris. Harris and a good solid VP choice running with her may be our best shot. No, I don't know for certain. Nobody does. It is clear that there are serious questions about Biden's health that may have been managed behind the scenes. No one wants to see Biden disrespected or humiliated.
Nobody knows for certain, exactly. Yet my assesment of this situation is that it would be far riskier to nominate someone new at this point as opposed to staying with Joe Biden, who lets not forget, has still managed to run this country very well. I don't know for certain Biden would win, I don't know for certain if Kamala would win, but I would rather not take a massive gamble for something that I am equally not certain about.
You don’t need a test. 60-65% of Americans have stated repeatedly that they would prefer a younger person to both Biden and Trump, so there’s that!…:)
Sure, then we should have had this discussion a year ago. Creating a firestorm 5 months out about replacing Biden with an (unpopular) younger person is doing more harm then sucking it up and sticking behind our guy. If republicans can get behind Trump and his baggage, then why should we self-destruct.