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Pamela Sourelis's avatar

Because of a 90-minute awful performance that has nothing whatever to do with the actual duties of the President? He's the nominee. We all need to get behind him or pay the very dire consequences. Enough already.

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JF's avatar

No. Loyalty to a man is the GOP. I prefer loyalty to the country. Our democracy.

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Jlm's avatar

This isn’t loyalty to Biden. Do you really think that anyone is saying “it’s Biden or the highway?” It’s a political calculation that NOT replacing Biden is less risky and has more upside than replacing him. No one knows what will happen, everyone is making calculated guesses.

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Pamela Sourelis's avatar

So you're voting for "our democracy"? Biden is the nominee. He has never presented as a narcissist or an autocrat. He has always presented as loyal to our democracy. What exactly are you talking about?

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JF's avatar

I’m talking about not losing our democracy, forever. I’m talking about injecting some urgency and paying attention to the concerns of the young.

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Pamela Sourelis's avatar

The concerns of the young? Are those concerns different from the concerns of everyone else wanting justice, equality, clean air and water, quality public education, quality/affordable healthcare, an end to homelessness . . . ?

Biden will get us closer to the things we want. At this moment, he is the only viable choice. Ideology is nice and all, but pragmatism is crucial.

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max skinner's avatar

We are told that climate change is a big concern of the young. The Biden years have been attentive to that. But perhaps the young haven't been attentive to the Biden years.

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Pamela Sourelis's avatar

This administration has been better on the environment than any other administration in history. And they are just getting started.

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JF's avatar

The concerns are exactly the same, but young people see a doddering old Grandpa being presented as their only savior when they know better! Pragmatism is precisely why we need to buck “tradition” in favor of reality.

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Pamela Sourelis's avatar

I am not familiar with anyone calling Biden a savior. He's a savvy politician who gets things done, one of the most effective presidents ever, and certainly in my long lifetime (And, no, he wasn't my first choice.) The whole savior schtick is on the other side.

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Lindsey H's avatar

Because no young people ever had a grandfather who was a positive role model? Because grandfathers are all old and useless? How very ageist of you.

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JF's avatar

The young can save us. But whatever. Happily go to fascism with your purity.

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Pamela Sourelis's avatar

You appear to be confused about who is exhibiting ideological purity. It's not the Biden/Harris folks. Get a grip. Start thinking tactically. You're not being asked to marry Biden and his administration. You're just being asked to allow them to take us a little bit further towards our goals. Work for who you want to run in 2028.

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Damian Penny's avatar

By coincidence I just finished writing about this on my own substack, after the smoke billowing from my ears finally cleared up.

https://substack.com/home/post/p-146244665?r=u3xr&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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