My problem with the nature of this entire argument is exactly what you said "Do you want to win or go down in flames?". Hitching our wagon to VP Harris would certainly lead to us going down in flames. There is a reason why it was very well known that she was not a particularly well-liked or charismatic politician, that hasn't changed. We need to stop convincing ourselves that the alternative is better just because it is an alternative.
She’s a different person than before. And she was a prosecutor who was great on the Judicial Committee in the Senate. She can definitely counteract all of Trump’s lies and since she’s a woman, would be better at communicating the abortion issue.
Right now Harris is polling better than Trump in a one on one contest. And whether you like it or not, Biden is losing in every swing state needed to win this election: all seven!
Biden won by 7 million votes in 2020, yet only won the electoral college by 40-50 thousand votes in three swing states, that tipped the election in his favor. So please elaborate as to how Biden can win this election?
An alternative isn’t necessarily better, but we need a Hail Mary, because right now, Trump wins handedly. And one aspect is in our favor. Most voters, and especially much needed independents, would prefer a younger, generic candidate to either Trump or Biden.
Yes. Let's be honest, Biden has objectively aged greatly since 2020. Trump, on the other hand, has barely changed, he was crazy af back then and he's a slightly crazier sob now, but it's hard to tell because he was so crazy already in 2016! So Biden going downhill fast only hurts him and the Dems, while nothing Trump does is going to hurt him much, because the craziness is already baked in and his supporters actually like the crazy!
Everybody knows Trump is lying in the first place. Her calling him out would not enlighten anyone about who Donald Trump actually is. The recently released polls showing a Kamala lead over Biden in a head to head against Trump is appealing on it’s surface, but there are too many people trying to grasp at a fleeting moment in time in order to justify upending a Presidential campaign with 5 months to go. Again, lets take a step back and look at this poll. It would go against everything we know about politics to believe that there is a block of voters significant enough to swing an election that would vote for Harris over Trump but not Biden over Trump. This is evidence that shows Biden should stay in this race. This shows that there are people who are clearly dissatisfied with both the options, and they finally have the ability to voice that dissatisfaction in a poll. These same people, almost certainly, would be checking Joe Bidens name in November. Taking that gamble is far less risky than the gamble of nominating someone new at this point. Doing so would create an environment in which there would be so much focus on the chaos in the Democratic party, there would be no time, and no attention given towards working to defeat Donald Trump.
My point exactly, this isn’t a new story and if there wasn’t a push to replace him 4,5,6 months ago, then the time has passed and our bed has been made. It’s not my fault you all regret your decision of staying silent, but don’t change up now. You’ll be jumping from a sinking ship with a chance of staying afloat to another sinking ship (but it might also stay afloat) that’s your logic after all, isn’t it?
No her candidacy would not take us down in flames. It's just as likely Trump would be so triggered by running against a much younger black woman, he would take his own candidacy down in flames.
If Trump being a convicted felon, being found liable for rape, causing January 6th hasn't brought down his candidacy then why should I believe that Kamala Harris would be his kryptonite. There is no reason why we should believe that to be true.
Because his cognitive decline is coupled with a severe personality disorder. What Litt impulse control he had over his outbursts is slipping. He was saved in the debate by the two minute mic mute. If that wasn't there we would have had a totally different debate. One worse than the first debate in 2020. A format that was supposed to favor Biden only served to protect Trump.
It's not outside the realm of possibility, sure, yet you say this as if it would be a certain fact as where I read it and find it to be a very unlikely outcome.
The thought of losing to a black woman would be a major narcissistic injury for him. Right up there with serving prison time. He doesn't have any delay strategy for that like he's used in courts. He would be very very triggered. You can bet his campaign doesn't want this scenario at all.
“Everybody knows Trump is lying in the first place.”
No, they don’t! That’s the problem. Trump has an entire media ecosystem dedicated to defending his lies, and making them alternative facts. And his ecosystem has grown even larger since Biden was inaugurated. Univision was bought by a friend of Kushner’s and has reprogrammed its content to be pro-Trump. Trump has gained double digits in the Hispanic community as a result.
The Baltimore Sun was bought by Sinclair and is reprogramming their content to make Trump out to be a big supporter of the African American community and then broadcasting articles on every Sinclair local media channel available. Trump has gained African American support as a result.
And don’t expect the MSM to save the day. Did you notice the lack of fact checking during the debate? And since Biden’s debacle, the only thing anyone is talking about in the media and on websites like this is whether Biden can recover, or should resign from this campaign.
That said, 54% of American adults read at a six grade level or lower. American is ranked 125 out of 195 in literacy around the world. So no, “EVERYONE doesn’t know Trump is a liar; if they did, more than 55% of Americans wouldn’t believe that Trump is better for the economy or democracy, yet, they do!
Robert, is people consume media within the Trump ecosystem, Kamala Harris, no matter what she says or how she says it, is not going to be able to convince them about much of anything. You don't need to be engrossed within politics to know that Trump says outlandish things or to know that he is a liar. The simple fact is that most people just do not care at this point. For the swing voters in swing states who are often older and educated, they certainly know he is a liar. How can you convince yourself that after 8 years, Kamala Harris is the answer all along to making people see the light about Trump?
Well then, please tell me why Biden has been losing in every swing state since the campaign started,and has never taken the lead? He was even up in NH by 12, and now is down by 3; a nine point swing as of yesterday.
But let’s stick with Biden as the walls slowly collapse all around us: Great strategy Matt!
Feel free to go down with the ship. I’m calling for a new captain: End of story!
The simple logic test for this situation is: Do you truly believe that there are is substantial block of voters (large enough to swing an election) that would vote for Harris over Trump but NOT Biden over Trump? That feels as though it is based purely in fantasy, not reality.
Maybe. Harris is 59 yo and a younger generation that Biden and Trump.. She can land blows about Trump’s age and unfitness that Joe Biden could never do. She may not be the first choice for many Dems and Independents. However, Biden is polling behind Harris. Harris and a good solid VP choice running with her may be our best shot. No, I don't know for certain. Nobody does. It is clear that there are serious questions about Biden's health that may have been managed behind the scenes. No one wants to see Biden disrespected or humiliated.
Nobody knows for certain, exactly. Yet my assesment of this situation is that it would be far riskier to nominate someone new at this point as opposed to staying with Joe Biden, who lets not forget, has still managed to run this country very well. I don't know for certain Biden would win, I don't know for certain if Kamala would win, but I would rather not take a massive gamble for something that I am equally not certain about.
Sure, then we should have had this discussion a year ago. Creating a firestorm 5 months out about replacing Biden with an (unpopular) younger person is doing more harm then sucking it up and sticking behind our guy. If republicans can get behind Trump and his baggage, then why should we self-destruct.
My problem with the nature of this entire argument is exactly what you said "Do you want to win or go down in flames?". Hitching our wagon to VP Harris would certainly lead to us going down in flames. There is a reason why it was very well known that she was not a particularly well-liked or charismatic politician, that hasn't changed. We need to stop convincing ourselves that the alternative is better just because it is an alternative.
She’s a different person than before. And she was a prosecutor who was great on the Judicial Committee in the Senate. She can definitely counteract all of Trump’s lies and since she’s a woman, would be better at communicating the abortion issue.
Right now Harris is polling better than Trump in a one on one contest. And whether you like it or not, Biden is losing in every swing state needed to win this election: all seven!
Biden won by 7 million votes in 2020, yet only won the electoral college by 40-50 thousand votes in three swing states, that tipped the election in his favor. So please elaborate as to how Biden can win this election?
An alternative isn’t necessarily better, but we need a Hail Mary, because right now, Trump wins handedly. And one aspect is in our favor. Most voters, and especially much needed independents, would prefer a younger, generic candidate to either Trump or Biden.
Yes. Let's be honest, Biden has objectively aged greatly since 2020. Trump, on the other hand, has barely changed, he was crazy af back then and he's a slightly crazier sob now, but it's hard to tell because he was so crazy already in 2016! So Biden going downhill fast only hurts him and the Dems, while nothing Trump does is going to hurt him much, because the craziness is already baked in and his supporters actually like the crazy!
Everybody knows Trump is lying in the first place. Her calling him out would not enlighten anyone about who Donald Trump actually is. The recently released polls showing a Kamala lead over Biden in a head to head against Trump is appealing on it’s surface, but there are too many people trying to grasp at a fleeting moment in time in order to justify upending a Presidential campaign with 5 months to go. Again, lets take a step back and look at this poll. It would go against everything we know about politics to believe that there is a block of voters significant enough to swing an election that would vote for Harris over Trump but not Biden over Trump. This is evidence that shows Biden should stay in this race. This shows that there are people who are clearly dissatisfied with both the options, and they finally have the ability to voice that dissatisfaction in a poll. These same people, almost certainly, would be checking Joe Bidens name in November. Taking that gamble is far less risky than the gamble of nominating someone new at this point. Doing so would create an environment in which there would be so much focus on the chaos in the Democratic party, there would be no time, and no attention given towards working to defeat Donald Trump.
My point exactly, this isn’t a new story and if there wasn’t a push to replace him 4,5,6 months ago, then the time has passed and our bed has been made. It’s not my fault you all regret your decision of staying silent, but don’t change up now. You’ll be jumping from a sinking ship with a chance of staying afloat to another sinking ship (but it might also stay afloat) that’s your logic after all, isn’t it?
No her candidacy would not take us down in flames. It's just as likely Trump would be so triggered by running against a much younger black woman, he would take his own candidacy down in flames.
If Trump being a convicted felon, being found liable for rape, causing January 6th hasn't brought down his candidacy then why should I believe that Kamala Harris would be his kryptonite. There is no reason why we should believe that to be true.
Because his cognitive decline is coupled with a severe personality disorder. What Litt impulse control he had over his outbursts is slipping. He was saved in the debate by the two minute mic mute. If that wasn't there we would have had a totally different debate. One worse than the first debate in 2020. A format that was supposed to favor Biden only served to protect Trump.
It's not outside the realm of possibility, sure, yet you say this as if it would be a certain fact as where I read it and find it to be a very unlikely outcome.
The thought of losing to a black woman would be a major narcissistic injury for him. Right up there with serving prison time. He doesn't have any delay strategy for that like he's used in courts. He would be very very triggered. You can bet his campaign doesn't want this scenario at all.
“Everybody knows Trump is lying in the first place.”
No, they don’t! That’s the problem. Trump has an entire media ecosystem dedicated to defending his lies, and making them alternative facts. And his ecosystem has grown even larger since Biden was inaugurated. Univision was bought by a friend of Kushner’s and has reprogrammed its content to be pro-Trump. Trump has gained double digits in the Hispanic community as a result.
The Baltimore Sun was bought by Sinclair and is reprogramming their content to make Trump out to be a big supporter of the African American community and then broadcasting articles on every Sinclair local media channel available. Trump has gained African American support as a result.
And don’t expect the MSM to save the day. Did you notice the lack of fact checking during the debate? And since Biden’s debacle, the only thing anyone is talking about in the media and on websites like this is whether Biden can recover, or should resign from this campaign.
That said, 54% of American adults read at a six grade level or lower. American is ranked 125 out of 195 in literacy around the world. So no, “EVERYONE doesn’t know Trump is a liar; if they did, more than 55% of Americans wouldn’t believe that Trump is better for the economy or democracy, yet, they do!
Robert, is people consume media within the Trump ecosystem, Kamala Harris, no matter what she says or how she says it, is not going to be able to convince them about much of anything. You don't need to be engrossed within politics to know that Trump says outlandish things or to know that he is a liar. The simple fact is that most people just do not care at this point. For the swing voters in swing states who are often older and educated, they certainly know he is a liar. How can you convince yourself that after 8 years, Kamala Harris is the answer all along to making people see the light about Trump?
Well then, please tell me why Biden has been losing in every swing state since the campaign started,and has never taken the lead? He was even up in NH by 12, and now is down by 3; a nine point swing as of yesterday.
But let’s stick with Biden as the walls slowly collapse all around us: Great strategy Matt!
Feel free to go down with the ship. I’m calling for a new captain: End of story!
The simple logic test for this situation is: Do you truly believe that there are is substantial block of voters (large enough to swing an election) that would vote for Harris over Trump but NOT Biden over Trump? That feels as though it is based purely in fantasy, not reality.
Maybe. Harris is 59 yo and a younger generation that Biden and Trump.. She can land blows about Trump’s age and unfitness that Joe Biden could never do. She may not be the first choice for many Dems and Independents. However, Biden is polling behind Harris. Harris and a good solid VP choice running with her may be our best shot. No, I don't know for certain. Nobody does. It is clear that there are serious questions about Biden's health that may have been managed behind the scenes. No one wants to see Biden disrespected or humiliated.
Nobody knows for certain, exactly. Yet my assesment of this situation is that it would be far riskier to nominate someone new at this point as opposed to staying with Joe Biden, who lets not forget, has still managed to run this country very well. I don't know for certain Biden would win, I don't know for certain if Kamala would win, but I would rather not take a massive gamble for something that I am equally not certain about.
You don’t need a test. 60-65% of Americans have stated repeatedly that they would prefer a younger person to both Biden and Trump, so there’s that!…:)
Sure, then we should have had this discussion a year ago. Creating a firestorm 5 months out about replacing Biden with an (unpopular) younger person is doing more harm then sucking it up and sticking behind our guy. If republicans can get behind Trump and his baggage, then why should we self-destruct.