Biden's skack-jawed, lost & bewildered facial expression in the debate performance, and the loss of his train of thought and wandering off the topic of his talking point wasn't a "one-off" or a "first time".
Prior to this were many similar moments published in the press and broadcast media that were already souring the opinions of undecided voters.
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Personally I'm encouraging the defeat of every MAGA candidate from Trump down to local dog-catchers, but pretending the public isn't seeing the age releated decline right in front of their eyes is self-defeating.
When Democrats say: "don't believe the evidence of your eyes.." to the undecideds we put every cause and position in doubt with them.
The debate performance added a big pile of credibility to the prior reporting and rumors about declining acuity. The people dismissing it as "one bad night" are not being realistic about the whole picture.
I will once again state my position (not necessarily everyone's) is that Joe's run the country well for the past several years, we saw the debate and it was ugly, but finding a better candidate at this point is more risky than staying with Joe and understanding that's the better of the 2 evils.
I totally get that many people think this is no longer a choice and you have to pick someone else.
I just disagree with that but see your point. God's speed in finding the replacement. Kamala would seem to me to be the ONLY viable choice but many disagree with me on that as well.
I'm fine with disagreeing but please don't act like we are ignoring what was on full display on Thursday night although I think to think he wanders around the WH with his mouth agape is hyperbolic. Like Joe, I did my share of that watching/listening to Trump's firehose of lies that night...
I respectfully disagree. This is not “one bad night.” The concern had been floated for over a year, and the administration continually hid this fact from the American people, and denied it as propaganda and fake news. That’s election malpractice; especially in an election where “too much is at stake!”
As for Biden running the country well? I’d say he did a great job, but now is the time to retire with dignity. Churchill was a war PM. He was a terrible PM during peace times and voted out. Sometimes we rise to “an” occasion, not “every” occasion…:)
That said, Biden has cognitive disabilities which comes with aging. Unless you can tell me that he will be fine for the next four years, then he should not be running. We not electing his advisors who haven’t fully been vetted.
And as for changing horses midstream. In an ordinary election year, I’d agree; this is far from an ordinary election campaign. The good news is that most Americans would prefer a younger choice whether it’s Biden or Trump, so there is an upside to switching horses, not to mention, the billions in free advertising Harris would get.
Biden does not inspire anyone. Perhaps a new candidate will galvanize all the democrats who would rather stay home, independents, and never Trumper’s, who are just as flabbergasted by Thursday’s debate performance, as we were.
He looked great at the State of the Union so it's not been as obvious as you all seem to make it...especially given that he's simply old. Not to mention that if you read a transcript of the debate...95% of what he said was truthful and appropriate...just poorly delivered.
Again...my BIGGEST point here is that you are introducing MORE risk items by changing horses. The Kamala option presents the least amount of those.
I get it...you think the risk of staying with Biden is more than the risk of switching. We may get to see how it goes...and if so...I hope you're right.
I wouldn’t be so down on Biden if it weren’t for the fact that his team had not made him accessible for over a year. Thursday night was his time to shine and prove the naysayers wrong. And if you look at the polling, any progress in the polls that Biden made, is gone. Now he’s losing by wider margins.
In 2020, Biden was in the lead the entire time. In 2024, he’s been losing the entire time. We aren’t MAGA. We’re fighting for democracy, not for Biden’s place in history.
And if Biden has another “senior” moment ( being very generous) like Thursday, we won’t recover. The election would be over, and the only possible good news would be if he doesn’t take the entire “down-ballot” ticket with him….:)
I wouldn't be so down on changing horses except for all the things that could go terribly wrong....like skeletons we weren't aware of...they say something incredibly stupid (they will be scrutinized worse than Biden)....or the Dems can't agree on who is the replacement....
Biden's skack-jawed, lost & bewildered facial expression in the debate performance, and the loss of his train of thought and wandering off the topic of his talking point wasn't a "one-off" or a "first time".
Prior to this were many similar moments published in the press and broadcast media that were already souring the opinions of undecided voters.
.
Personally I'm encouraging the defeat of every MAGA candidate from Trump down to local dog-catchers, but pretending the public isn't seeing the age releated decline right in front of their eyes is self-defeating.
When Democrats say: "don't believe the evidence of your eyes.." to the undecideds we put every cause and position in doubt with them.
Exactly! A lot of democrats are gaslighting themselves, and then trying to gaslight the rest of us. Thursday’s debacle cannot be unseen….:)
The debate performance added a big pile of credibility to the prior reporting and rumors about declining acuity. The people dismissing it as "one bad night" are not being realistic about the whole picture.
I will once again state my position (not necessarily everyone's) is that Joe's run the country well for the past several years, we saw the debate and it was ugly, but finding a better candidate at this point is more risky than staying with Joe and understanding that's the better of the 2 evils.
I totally get that many people think this is no longer a choice and you have to pick someone else.
I just disagree with that but see your point. God's speed in finding the replacement. Kamala would seem to me to be the ONLY viable choice but many disagree with me on that as well.
I'm fine with disagreeing but please don't act like we are ignoring what was on full display on Thursday night although I think to think he wanders around the WH with his mouth agape is hyperbolic. Like Joe, I did my share of that watching/listening to Trump's firehose of lies that night...
I respectfully disagree. This is not “one bad night.” The concern had been floated for over a year, and the administration continually hid this fact from the American people, and denied it as propaganda and fake news. That’s election malpractice; especially in an election where “too much is at stake!”
As for Biden running the country well? I’d say he did a great job, but now is the time to retire with dignity. Churchill was a war PM. He was a terrible PM during peace times and voted out. Sometimes we rise to “an” occasion, not “every” occasion…:)
That said, Biden has cognitive disabilities which comes with aging. Unless you can tell me that he will be fine for the next four years, then he should not be running. We not electing his advisors who haven’t fully been vetted.
And as for changing horses midstream. In an ordinary election year, I’d agree; this is far from an ordinary election campaign. The good news is that most Americans would prefer a younger choice whether it’s Biden or Trump, so there is an upside to switching horses, not to mention, the billions in free advertising Harris would get.
Biden does not inspire anyone. Perhaps a new candidate will galvanize all the democrats who would rather stay home, independents, and never Trumper’s, who are just as flabbergasted by Thursday’s debate performance, as we were.
He looked great at the State of the Union so it's not been as obvious as you all seem to make it...especially given that he's simply old. Not to mention that if you read a transcript of the debate...95% of what he said was truthful and appropriate...just poorly delivered.
Again...my BIGGEST point here is that you are introducing MORE risk items by changing horses. The Kamala option presents the least amount of those.
I get it...you think the risk of staying with Biden is more than the risk of switching. We may get to see how it goes...and if so...I hope you're right.
I wouldn’t be so down on Biden if it weren’t for the fact that his team had not made him accessible for over a year. Thursday night was his time to shine and prove the naysayers wrong. And if you look at the polling, any progress in the polls that Biden made, is gone. Now he’s losing by wider margins.
In 2020, Biden was in the lead the entire time. In 2024, he’s been losing the entire time. We aren’t MAGA. We’re fighting for democracy, not for Biden’s place in history.
And if Biden has another “senior” moment ( being very generous) like Thursday, we won’t recover. The election would be over, and the only possible good news would be if he doesn’t take the entire “down-ballot” ticket with him….:)
I wouldn't be so down on changing horses except for all the things that could go terribly wrong....like skeletons we weren't aware of...they say something incredibly stupid (they will be scrutinized worse than Biden)....or the Dems can't agree on who is the replacement....