Shawn, I completely agree with your nuance and logical reasoning. I also firmly believe it will never work on a group of people that can't let go of MTG,Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan, Paul Gosar, Jan 6, Q-Anon, and a million more insane people and conspiracy claims.
For far too long the sane Republicans used the crazy part of the party to thei…
Shawn, I completely agree with your nuance and logical reasoning. I also firmly believe it will never work on a group of people that can't let go of MTG,Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan, Paul Gosar, Jan 6, Q-Anon, and a million more insane people and conspiracy claims.
For far too long the sane Republicans used the crazy part of the party to their advantage, ie: winning elections. Now the party is run by the crazy part and turning that ship around is, imho, impossible. I used to think an external enemy would work, I no longer do.
I hope you are right and that I am wrong, I am just not feeling it right now.
I agree! In fact, I fully agree that those people will not agree with what I've stated. But this is also because I am not using 'America First' in the manner that they are using it. This is because their idea of what that means looks entirely opposite to what I've described. They'd rather be more like Russia, North Korea, or Iran; a closed off society to the rest of the world. Those people are not going to come around to this way of thinking.
And it is true that much of the party is run by people who are out of their mind, and this is because they suck up a lot of oxygen. More than that, the social issues part of the party has become very extreme. But if I may make an observation: most people are only extreme on their personal issue.
I've met a lot of people who consider lgbtq or abortion or race as their 'major' issue. It's the one that absorbs their attention and focus. That's normal. But what it means is that very rarely are they as extreme on lots of other issues. The MTG group are never going to come around.
But there are a lot of other GOP individuals who we might disagree on when it comes to other issues, but which we can swing around on this one. Worth noting that about 80% of the GOP currently supports an anti-Russia stance, despite years of attempts to get them to come around under Trump.
What this tells me is that for most GOP members, foreign policy is not a huge issue in their minds, and thus they fall back on what confirms a lot of their other priors: America good, America strong, ect.
Which is what I mean when I say 'different reasons, same outcome.'
My only quibble is, if the people who are single issue, and I agree there are many, don’t have the intelligence to see that they must vote D in the next election (and I don’t believe many think that way) we are done. We all have our pet issues, I agree, but my gut on this one says too many voters are simply not informed enough, willing to become informed, or care enough to understand what is really at stake.
Again, I pray you are right and I am wrong. (I am a non believer, so take that with a grain of salt :) or two!)
Shawn, I completely agree with your nuance and logical reasoning. I also firmly believe it will never work on a group of people that can't let go of MTG,Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan, Paul Gosar, Jan 6, Q-Anon, and a million more insane people and conspiracy claims.
For far too long the sane Republicans used the crazy part of the party to their advantage, ie: winning elections. Now the party is run by the crazy part and turning that ship around is, imho, impossible. I used to think an external enemy would work, I no longer do.
I hope you are right and that I am wrong, I am just not feeling it right now.
I agree! In fact, I fully agree that those people will not agree with what I've stated. But this is also because I am not using 'America First' in the manner that they are using it. This is because their idea of what that means looks entirely opposite to what I've described. They'd rather be more like Russia, North Korea, or Iran; a closed off society to the rest of the world. Those people are not going to come around to this way of thinking.
And it is true that much of the party is run by people who are out of their mind, and this is because they suck up a lot of oxygen. More than that, the social issues part of the party has become very extreme. But if I may make an observation: most people are only extreme on their personal issue.
I've met a lot of people who consider lgbtq or abortion or race as their 'major' issue. It's the one that absorbs their attention and focus. That's normal. But what it means is that very rarely are they as extreme on lots of other issues. The MTG group are never going to come around.
But there are a lot of other GOP individuals who we might disagree on when it comes to other issues, but which we can swing around on this one. Worth noting that about 80% of the GOP currently supports an anti-Russia stance, despite years of attempts to get them to come around under Trump.
What this tells me is that for most GOP members, foreign policy is not a huge issue in their minds, and thus they fall back on what confirms a lot of their other priors: America good, America strong, ect.
Which is what I mean when I say 'different reasons, same outcome.'
My only quibble is, if the people who are single issue, and I agree there are many, don’t have the intelligence to see that they must vote D in the next election (and I don’t believe many think that way) we are done. We all have our pet issues, I agree, but my gut on this one says too many voters are simply not informed enough, willing to become informed, or care enough to understand what is really at stake.
Again, I pray you are right and I am wrong. (I am a non believer, so take that with a grain of salt :) or two!)