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James F.'s avatar

Don't know if it really qualifies as a "snide swipe". Also, I like Simon, but those "job creation" numbers are sort of misleading. Of course jobs are going to be created after a president inherits an economy with lots of unemployment caused by a pandemic (2020) or a massive recession (2008). Both of those situations were horribly mismanaged by the prior GOP presidents, which made the situation worse, but still, some of that unemployment was unavoidable. Job creation numbers play into this "the President is omnipresent and responsible for everything" view that too many voters have.

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knowltok's avatar

You aren't wrong, but I think the Dems need to shift from, "Let me talk about economic nuance first." to "Republicans are bad for the economy, here's the proof. Now if you want to dive into the weeds, we can."

Those voters you mention aren't going to magically get educated any time soon. So communicate with them using simple facts and follow ups. Don't hide from the nuance, but don't lead with it either.

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Robert Jaffee's avatar

You answered your own question. Republicans always leave this nation worse off; and democrats are always left to clean up the mess.

All major economic expansions occurred under democratic administrations. The Great Depression and Recession both occurred under republicans.

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knowltok's avatar

Yeah, that be a good one-two punch. "51M to 2M. Now let me tell you have that happens. Let's take the Republican Great Recession of 2008..."

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Hopehappens's avatar

I agree with you that the view of the omnipresent president is not helpful. But I think these job numbers do point to Democratic economic policies being better for the economy and workers. The general assumption that somehow the Republicans are better on the economy than Democrats bothers me more than the prevalence of the view that the President is omnipresent.

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Kathy Balles's avatar

Yes, itтАЩs unfortunate that тАЬthe peopleтАЭ (say that in JVLтАЩs Bane voice) think the president has the omnipotent power to create jobs, etc. Truly, the more unfortunate thing is that the President has A LOT of power in foreign policy however, and Trump would be an absolute effing disaster there, and people hardly think about THAT at all!

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James F.'s avatar

Oh, don't get me wrong - I agree that Democratic policies have been/are better for the economy. I just think the raw "so and so created this many jobs" statistic is kind of pointless statistic to tout.

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Robert Jaffee's avatar

Unfortunately, this is the only way to present an тАЬapples to applesтАЭ comparison of an individualтАЩs presidency.

Yes, individual statistics, as can Individual facts, be misleading, if other facts and statistics arenтАЩt being considered, or deliberately omitted.

Yet, this is just one of the many quantitative factors being considered to measure economic performance between two administrations.

No one is using job growth as an indicator of an entire economic situation, or presidency.

That said, as a wise man once said, тАЬthere are lies, damn lies, and statisticsтАЭтАж.:)

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Jennifer's avatar

The voters have shown they get their Economics education from Facebook. So, to push a narrative that Biden created this many jobs is totally within the rules of the game.

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