Expanding on your interesting future-time-travellers theory, and accepting that every "contact" from the future makes some change in what would have been "the past" without that contact, what would be different if we had not seen them, meaning, what past event has been changed to permit them (or limit their time here), to come back and "visit" us?
"and accepting that every "contact" from the future makes some change in what would have been "the past""
I don't really agree with this statement, as they could have visited here without being noticed by anyone, thereby leading to no changes. My whole point is that *exactly because* nothing changed when they "visited" here that it's more likely that they're rich humans from the future doing time tourism than beings from another world because those beings would have simply taken what they wanted and killed anyone who resisted.
This all assumes that these UAPs are not from earth and/or not from our current time. And if they are time tourists from the future, who here on earth is going to tell them "please stop visiting us"? If rich people from the present routinely tell whole governments to fuck off when it comes to things like tax collections, what makes you think rich humans from the future give a shit what governments from the past tell them what to do?
Sorry, but if they visited without being noticed, then in all likelihood nothing in the past was changed by their being here. On the other hand, if we see them, if we chase them with jets, if we photograph them and store "things" in Area 51, then those are, by definition, things that would not have occurred but for us noticing them. And those are changes in what would have been but for those things occurring. Perhaps by our seeing them, etc., the interest in UAPs and extraterritorials got a boost it might not otherwise have gotten, and that interest increased the likelihood that time travel would have been developed over what it might have been without those events occurring.
All I was doing was spinning your hypothesis a bit further based upon your suggestion that the sightings etc. did not have to be extraterritorials.
I mean, if they lost an air/time craft in the Nevada or New Mexico desert the way OceanGate lost a submersible at the bottom of the drink, then the after-effects would be that Lockheed Skunkworks got a look at future tech some centuries earlier than it was available and that out military tech advantage over other countries in the present reflects that, which would then make Lockheed Martin more money in the long term than it otherwise would have. Shit like that I guess. But if theyтАЩre just here occasionally being spotted at a time when deep fake videos are coming out then their being spotted could just as be chalked up as another fake video anyway.
OK, but who knows? And how can anyone learn that? Perhaps it put us on a wrong track for the theory of long-distance space travel by discovering whatever might be discovered by Lockheed or anyone else. And, maybe by being chalked up as fake videos NOW, we then reduce the chance of game-changing, earth-shattering discoveries which don't get made, effecting the likelihood that they will visit, en mass, in the future. What should we deduce, if anything, from the possibility that our noticing them returned them to a different point in time than they left and what effect did that have (or not) on when the next sighting occurred?
I guess my whole point is that because inter-stellar space travel *must* by definition include time travel that it makes humans time-traveling from the future just as likely--if not more likely--than aliens coming here from somewhere else but without making that costly endeavor worth it via pillaging. When you add the infinite vastness of time to the infinite vastness of space, it makes even less sense that two advanced species would even co-develop on similar timelines within a few thousand years of each other. ThatтАЩd be a helluva unlikely event in my opinion. Multiverse theory makes it more likely, but thatтАЩs only if you buy into multiverse theory....
Anyways, I should not have even brought up the can of worms of extra-temporal human visitation here because look what weтАЩre talking about now ЁЯШВЁЯджтАНтЩВя╕П
WeтАЩre more joking than serious, but we ARE talking about it I guess. I knew I shouldnтАЩt have posited my тАЬtrillionaires doing space/time tourismтАЭ alt-theory of extra-temporal life forms here ЁЯШВЁЯджтАНтЩВя╕П
Expanding on your interesting future-time-travellers theory, and accepting that every "contact" from the future makes some change in what would have been "the past" without that contact, what would be different if we had not seen them, meaning, what past event has been changed to permit them (or limit their time here), to come back and "visit" us?
"and accepting that every "contact" from the future makes some change in what would have been "the past""
I don't really agree with this statement, as they could have visited here without being noticed by anyone, thereby leading to no changes. My whole point is that *exactly because* nothing changed when they "visited" here that it's more likely that they're rich humans from the future doing time tourism than beings from another world because those beings would have simply taken what they wanted and killed anyone who resisted.
This all assumes that these UAPs are not from earth and/or not from our current time. And if they are time tourists from the future, who here on earth is going to tell them "please stop visiting us"? If rich people from the present routinely tell whole governments to fuck off when it comes to things like tax collections, what makes you think rich humans from the future give a shit what governments from the past tell them what to do?
Sorry, but if they visited without being noticed, then in all likelihood nothing in the past was changed by their being here. On the other hand, if we see them, if we chase them with jets, if we photograph them and store "things" in Area 51, then those are, by definition, things that would not have occurred but for us noticing them. And those are changes in what would have been but for those things occurring. Perhaps by our seeing them, etc., the interest in UAPs and extraterritorials got a boost it might not otherwise have gotten, and that interest increased the likelihood that time travel would have been developed over what it might have been without those events occurring.
All I was doing was spinning your hypothesis a bit further based upon your suggestion that the sightings etc. did not have to be extraterritorials.
I mean, if they lost an air/time craft in the Nevada or New Mexico desert the way OceanGate lost a submersible at the bottom of the drink, then the after-effects would be that Lockheed Skunkworks got a look at future tech some centuries earlier than it was available and that out military tech advantage over other countries in the present reflects that, which would then make Lockheed Martin more money in the long term than it otherwise would have. Shit like that I guess. But if theyтАЩre just here occasionally being spotted at a time when deep fake videos are coming out then their being spotted could just as be chalked up as another fake video anyway.
OK, but who knows? And how can anyone learn that? Perhaps it put us on a wrong track for the theory of long-distance space travel by discovering whatever might be discovered by Lockheed or anyone else. And, maybe by being chalked up as fake videos NOW, we then reduce the chance of game-changing, earth-shattering discoveries which don't get made, effecting the likelihood that they will visit, en mass, in the future. What should we deduce, if anything, from the possibility that our noticing them returned them to a different point in time than they left and what effect did that have (or not) on when the next sighting occurred?
I guess my whole point is that because inter-stellar space travel *must* by definition include time travel that it makes humans time-traveling from the future just as likely--if not more likely--than aliens coming here from somewhere else but without making that costly endeavor worth it via pillaging. When you add the infinite vastness of time to the infinite vastness of space, it makes even less sense that two advanced species would even co-develop on similar timelines within a few thousand years of each other. ThatтАЩd be a helluva unlikely event in my opinion. Multiverse theory makes it more likely, but thatтАЩs only if you buy into multiverse theory....
Anyways, I should not have even brought up the can of worms of extra-temporal human visitation here because look what weтАЩre talking about now ЁЯШВЁЯджтАНтЩВя╕П
OK, but see my response to GG somewhere in this chain.
I seriously believe that the baby George Santos was carrying around was actually himself, and heтАЩd come back from the future. It all fits.
Anything to distract from Biden's ever increasing age.
WeтАЩre more joking than serious, but we ARE talking about it I guess. I knew I shouldnтАЩt have posited my тАЬtrillionaires doing space/time tourismтАЭ alt-theory of extra-temporal life forms here ЁЯШВЁЯджтАНтЩВя╕П