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Joe Tells Us What He Really Thinks About Trump (The Secret Podcast Preview)

February 2, 2024
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Also: How not to live and/or die with the polls over the next 9 months.
This transcript was generated automatically and may contain errors and omissions. Ironically, the transcription service has particular problems with the word “bulwark,” so you may see it mangled as “Bullard,” “Boulart,” or even “bull word.” Enjoy!
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:01

    Hey there. It’s JBL. On the Secret Show with Sarah Longwell today, we talked about Nikki and South Carolina Democrats and polling and Oh, yeah. Also what Joe Biden really thinks about Donald Trump. Here’s the show.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:17

    But I am the only person in America Thanks. Yeah. This guy’s a good president. He’s doing a pretty good job. I’m sorry.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:29

    Am I supposed to pretend I’m not? And, we have a thing out today. Jonathan Last, Let me air.
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:36

    Let me
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:36

    I don’t know how you pronounce his name. Let me hear.
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:38

    You don’t watch enough cable news, bro.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:40

    I I watched precisely zero cable news.
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:42

    I know.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:46

    And this is a A thing that a what what Joe Biden thinks about Donald Trump behind closed doors? And, what we did is, in a rally, the president said, this is by Get
  • Speaker 2
    0:01:02

    your beeper out, get your beeper out, hide your kids, right
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:05

    that was. His rally, he jokes about an intruder whipped up by the big trump lie, taking a hammer to Paul Pelosi’s skull. Biden said, and he thinks that’s funny. The president continued. He laughed about it.
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:17

    What a sick oh. Now he didn’t say it there, but Lemir reports that, to long time friends and aids, he often says that Trump is a, quote, sick fuck. Who delights in others misfortunes. And Biden recently said of Trump, what a fucking asshole this guy is? You know what?
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:41

    I am sorry, but I am happy to have a president who a doesn’t say that stuff in public.
  • Speaker 2
    0:01:50

    Sure.
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:51

    But b, like, doesn’t hide the fact that he thinks those things. Right? He he he isn’t, like, in public saying, oh, don’t you it’s like King David. He’s so great. He’s, like, got But, c, in private, has a normal person, normal human being reaction.
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:12

    To the bizarre pathologies and just creepy evilness of Donald Trump. I I I I I look at all of that. All three of those things, and I just think, yeah, Joe Biden. He’s like us.
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:27

    This is one of those stories that I don’t care about. Because it’s like, oh, yeah. Does Joe Biden says he doesn’t like Donald Trump? Okay. Well, so do we?
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:35

    Like, newsflash. I don’t think it’s, like, particularly interesting that Joe Biden thinks that this guy’s effing a hole, because that is what anybody did I I actually I didn’t mention to you that I wanted to talk about this, what I did. So on George Conway explains it all to Sarah Longwell, today, which we’re gonna release. It may actually be already out by the time this hits. You guys should check it out because we have Robbie Kaplan on fresh off of her, eighty three point three million dollar judgment against Trump, and she goes really deep on what it was like to be in these depositions with him.
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:15

    And, like, these stories are funny. They’re not fun. They’re they’re in funny in the same way this Joe Biden thing is. Where he is like a fifth Trump is like a fifteen year old boy, in terms of his sense of humor. At one point, he said to her, see you next Tuesday.
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:32

    And she was like, what do you mean? We’re meeting on Wednesday. And he was like, see you next Tuesday. And she was like, well, pretty sure it’s Wednesday. And, like, left and her staff.
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:43

    She says this is a great so, like, her staff is like, he was trying to call you the c word. And she was like, thank god. I didn’t know, that he was doing this. Oh,
  • Speaker 1
    0:03:53

    I get it.
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:56

    But she also said that he got so angry that they were she apparently, that’s like very, it’s just like what lawyers do. They provide lunch when you are doing dep over lunch, and they do it for the court reporter, for the lawyers, and everybody goes to a different room, and they have their lunch, and that when Trump was like, what are you gonna do for lunch though? You’re at Mar a lago. We’re not gonna give you lunch. And she was like, oh, no, your lawyers are providing us lunch.
  • Speaker 2
    0:04:20

    And that he knocked over in fury, a stack of papers sitting next to him. And like, Yeah. Guys an F and A hole. Like that is it is like ridiculous, behavior and it’s fine for people to acknowledge it, but I I’m not sure it’s like a blockbuster story.
  • Speaker 1
    0:04:40

    Not a blockbuster story. Not a blockbuster. For me, it reinforces the, on the question of, would you wanna have a beer with Joe Biden? I think that of all of the presidents of my adult lifetime, the guy who I would be most comfortable having a beer with, definitely Biden. With Clinton, he’s so slick.
  • Speaker 1
    0:05:07

    I’d be a little bit, like, does he really like me or is he just shining me on?
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:12

    Oh, I do not wanna have a beer with Clinton?
  • Speaker 1
    0:05:14

    I I just I know by it. And w like Everybody always says w is a good hang. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:20

    This is one
  • Speaker 1
    0:05:20

    of the things that’s legendary about him, especially one on one. Like, people People say you’re in a room with w, and he just he’s great at that stuff. And that’s fine. But I I’d have a beer with, I’d have a beer with Joe.
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:36

    I think Joe Biden is a nice man. I I’d like I when you say you’re the only one who likes him, I I’d like him fine. I think he’s a nice man.
  • Speaker 1
    0:05:44

    Take so much heat for being oh, look at the Biden stand. Where in the team, Drew? Like, I I’m sorry. Like, I think he’s been a good president. Economy’s doing great.
  • Speaker 1
    0:05:54

    He handled Ukraine well. He’s doing good foreign diplomacy with the Israelis. Like, like, what what do we want?
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:02

    You know? Like, I’ve got a list of things that I want, but, like, you know, beggars can’t be choosers. And I’m, I’m, I’m not mad at him. I, you know, that’s not true. I’m a little you know, I think one of the things And this where I’m I think I might impute my own feelings on this, but, like, I am deeply certain that Joe Biden’s low poll numbers are actually much have less to do with frustration at the job Joe Biden is doing than it does frustration with the fact that Joe Biden is running again.
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:37

    Because I think I think Joe Biden has missed an enormous opportunity to just be a legend to have like beaten Trump once come back in, be a normal guy, elevate a new bench of people, you know, spend his whole time at a podium, talking about how, like, we gotta put this country back together, and we got this incredible group of Democrats and meet all these people, and have a big surrogate game. And instead it’s been like a weird, you know, I I don’t know what. Why is this? Is it a don’t outshine? Biden?
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:08

    Is it, like, I don’t know why the communication infrastructure has been what it is. And I just think the idea that he so I I think his little approval rings are sort of the same thing that I hold against him, which is that I feel like it is a real mistake that he’s doing this again. And it’s not really a critique on him or his presidency.
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:30

    Let me ask you this.
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:31

    Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:32

    Let’s pretend that we have like like, do you remember quantum leap?
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:36

    I do. I love quantum leap.
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:37

    So let’s protect was it Scott Bachula?
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:40

    Scott Bachula. Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:41

    So let’s pretend quantum leap style. We can leap into an alternate timeline. Together. In the alternate timeline, Joe Biden has declines to run, and Gavin Newsom is the nominee. Nope.
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:53

    In that timeline, do you wish that Joe Biden had remained the nominee? You wish that Joe Biden had run for reelection?
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:02

    That’s a tough one. Yeah. You hit me you hit me with one you you hit me with one that you knew would get me.
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:06

    How about we do Another we we walk in this timeline. We’re like, oh, no. This is bad. We hop into the portal again, and we come out in another one where Kamala Harris is the nominee. Do you still think, yeah, Joe Biden shouldn’t have run again?
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:20

    Because I think those two
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:21

    Do I get to do I get to play this? Do I get to set do I get to set the terms of the quantum leap
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:25

    Well, look, if we jump into a a universe where Josh Piro is the nominee
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:29

    Mhmm.
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:30

    Or Gretchen Whitners whitmer is the nominee? Great. But what are the odds that we would have wind up in one of those universes versus Newsom or Kamala?
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:39

    I mean, yeah, I got a lot of other names. Like, throw into the quantum leap machine though to spin the wheel and see if we could get there. But I agree, look, a lot of that didn’t become. I just he could have taken the twenty twenty two win. And said like, oh, okay.
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:53

    This was, this was huge, and now I’m gonna figure out how to elevate these guys. And look, I do think there’s no doubt, they feel like they box themselves in with Kamala, where they know she would lose. So when Joe Biden’s saying, like, I’m the only one who could beat him, he doesn’t really mean that. He means I’m more likely to beat him than Kamala, and now she’s next in line. And there’s nothing we can do about that.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:19

    And so I just but I I would just say that in the polling, I’m like, I’m very convinced. But again, this is me reading my own feelings into it a little bit that, like, that is the frustration. Like, it’s not like I hear from people in the focus groups when you talk to Dems. They don’t say, I think Joe Biden’s been a bad president. Don’t say that at all.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:37

    As soon as they wish they saw more, they wish you’d done more on this or that of their pet interests. That he was more of a fighter, but mostly what they’re down on is his age. Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:09:47

    I’m just saying how much of it is age.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:48

    Yes. It’s just pure. I don’t like
  • Speaker 1
    0:09:50

    it because
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:50

    he’s No. I listen, if Joe Biden was seventy four, you know, we’d all be like, nay. He’s gonna do it again till he’s seventy eight and that’s pretty old. That’s different from starting out at eighty two and he will be eighty six at the end of his term. And like, you know, I just I think I think people the the extent to which people have under there was you know, we were at our show, our, live show.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:12

    And, the live show is just filled with the most wonderful people who wanna say super nice things, maybe ask a question, get a selfie, give a hug, love it. There was a woman this time, though, who was, like, kind of confrontational. And she was, Also, she was an older woman and she said, the reason that that voters care about there is nobody, you know, cares about Joe Biden’s because you guys never stop talking about it. And you in the media, which I’m still, like, getting
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:46

    some type of people.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:47

    I’m a hundred percent certain it’s not true.
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:49

    Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:49

    We could stop talking about it all the time and, you know, who would not stop talking about it is the voters. Like, And on that, these are not people who are out to get Joe Biden. I’m just talking about you round up twenty as I have done many times. You round up twenty Democrats and say, like, do you feel about Joe Biden running again? And they’re all like, no.
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:07

    This shouldn’t happen. And I think that is I and and it’s one of the reasons honestly I’m optimistic about, Biden’s numbers turning around. Eventually because I think once people kind of are like, okay, this is what we’re doing, they’ll get on board. But right now, they’re just they’re registering the idea because they still think he might not do it. I mean, the number of people who think he might at the convention be like, you know, somebody else is gonna gretchen Whitmer will be the numb, you know, it’s just not how these things work.
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:41

    It’s not gonna happen, but I think a lot of people think that
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:44

    This was this general state of affairs was reasonably predictable by about nineteen ninety because the size of the baby boom generation meant that the boomers were gonna hold on to power in American life for much longer than anybody else. And I know Biden isn’t technically a boomer, but Like, you know, the Is
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:04

    he greatest generation?
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:05

    I think he’s silent generation, not greatest. But you you I mean, you know, Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, Chuck I mean, there are a lot of people deep deep into their seventies or early eighties. Who are at the highest levels of American government. And I don’t like, you know, like, it’s fine. Basically, I I think it’s fine.
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:28

    It doesn’t bother me. Be nice to have some generational turnovers. So, you know, we’re never gonna get a gen x president. That’s not true. We might get one gen x president, but that’s That’s it.
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:38

    You elder millennials will get two or three of them,
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:40

    I think. I’m either a young gen x or an elder millennial depending on who you ask.
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:49

    Okay. Did you want to beat me around the head and shoulders one more time on Nikki Haley? Because I’m here for it.
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:56

    So I just I I’m I am interested in the notion of the half Liz versus the full Liz. In part because I went from being a hey. Just drop out. You’re not even helping, right now. If you’re not gonna run against him, like, might as well let Joe Biden start to benefit from the contrast with Trump.
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:18

    Like, let’s get it over with and get to general election. And I think the narrative for Biden will. And I’m pretty eager to see. Like, part of it is just me being like, am I right? Like, when Trump is the nominee, will Biden’s numbers start going up?
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:31

    Because if they don’t, that’s gonna tell us a lot. So there’s part of me that just wants to know that information. And Tusser, like, look, if you’re not really gonna run against him, just get out. It’s not helping. But then she started to really run against him.
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:44

    At least as much as anybody has that’s not Christie. And she’s doing it in a way that, in a one on one race is more impactful than a Chris Christie, you know, where he’s kind of just an outlier talking to the independence in New Hampshire. Right? She’s running a real, a real primary against him and states that matter talking to Republicans who are gonna vote in a general election. And so I think I’ve sort of revised what I think she should do.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:14

    And it it’s I I’m in the go full liz, burn the boats. And the reason that I’m there, is that I want her more than anything not to endorse him. And I think the likeliest way for her to not endorse him is for her to, be so far gone in it that there’s not really, There’s not really yeah. There’s no walking it back. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:41

    Go go full in. And and because for her to do that, it would be her recognizing thing that I’m desperate for these Republicans to recognize, which is that this party is gone. There is not a party that elect Nikki Haley. I even saw Dave Weigel, who I think is one of the smartest people in politics, said something yesterday about how Nikki Haley
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:01

    Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:01

    Is setting herself up for twenty twenty eight. I was like, Did every did did everybody die in the Republican party? Like, what what world is this happening? Like, to me, I get I get deeply frustrated. And this is this is just the this is the one
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:16

    in their head.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:18

    Yeah. But in all their heads, right? It’s it’s it’s all of them and but but Dave knows he’s listening to these voters, but I still think whenever you are, whether it’s an elite media or you’re an elite politician or you’re working think tanks you talk to even if you talk to real people, like, even if you’re out on the trail, you still spend fifty percent of your time talking to Republican operatives and, like, the more elite class that are telling you, like, no. No. No.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:44

    There’s look at all these normal people, and Nikki Haley twenty twenty eight, Devon DeSantis twenty twenty eight. And I’m like, guys, It’s Tucker twenty twenty eight. Like, it’s Matt Gates’s twenty twenty eight.
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:55

    JV Vance’s Matt Gates. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:57

    Yeah. What are you? And, like, look. Look at the party. Look at what they want.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:02

    We did a focus group yesterday. And it was about we were asking about Congress. And so to the for the screener, we needed to make sure that they knew who their Congress person was. They had to know who it was. So it’s a specific group.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:18

    And they’re from all over. However, they were all in districts that have one of these loud mouths as their, you know, it’s Marjorie Taylor Greens District from you.
  • Speaker 1
    0:16:29

    So these are two time trump voters.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:30

    Two time trump voters.
  • Speaker 1
    0:16:31

    Where they knew their okay.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:33

    Yeah. Where they knew their Congress person. And it will shock you not at all to know. They love Mike Johnson, like him so much better than Kevin McCarthy, who they hated. They think marge is out there telling it like it is, and is the best.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:50

    And, you know, they they think that it is good that these people are out there, mouthing off and be it, you know, slugging away for trump and They they’re not worried about the government functioning. They’re not worried about,
  • Speaker 1
    0:17:08

    These people ain’t going to Nikki Haley in twenty twenty eight. They will
  • Speaker 2
    0:17:11

    not chance.
  • Speaker 1
    0:17:12

    They will have they won’t even remember who she is then. Totally.
  • Speaker 2
    0:17:15

    And I was doing an interview with someone, and they were asking about young voters. And I was The central thing, if you ask about young Republicans, there’s really one big data point to understand, which is that if they have come of political consciousness in the last decade, Donald Trump is the Republican Party. They don’t even recognize what Nikki Haley is. They’re like, what is Reagan Republicanism? The free leg of the stool?
  • Speaker 2
    0:17:37

    That’s not a thing. It’s a bar stool sports bro crossover that’s, that’s, like, collaborate somehow weirdly with evangelical Christians who are engaged in culture wars, along but who don’t like Mike Pence because they’re there for culture war part. Right? They don’t want an actual evangelical, like Mike Pence, Tim Scott. They want the the David, whatever I the the Trump is the King David.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:04

    King David, the imperfect flawed ambassador of their, morals and dreams. Yeah. And So yeah. Go ahead.
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:12

    I’m sorry. Go ahead.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:13

    No. No. No. I’m I’m I’m I was on a tear. Now I’m done.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:16

    Go ahead.
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:17

    So, Amanda had something last night. Oh, I
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:21

    it was a man who was there.
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:23

    She was there. She sends her sends her best. She, when we were talking about Haley endorsing, or not endorsing. Amanda saw a third way for Nikki Haley. Maybe you can get this to the Haley people.
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:38

    Maybe Tim can get it to the Haley people. Right? She is going to want Of course, she’ll want to not endorse him, but she will feel like she has to endorse him because she will feel like she has to say something like I pledge just when I support our nominee. Right? She’ll try to do the minimal possible endorsement, I think.
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:59

    But what she could do as a third way is say, yes, I had pledged to support our nominee, but I have been permanently barred from Maga. And so I will respect president Trump’s wishes, and, I’m sitting this one out. He can go it alone. Let’s see how it works out for him. Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:19:22

    Bless his heart. Yeah. How is that for an answer?
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:26

    I think that’s great. I mean, I I would love something like that. Right, obviously. And and if she did that JBL, but JBL, if she did that, then then that to me, To me, that’s why the full Liz, half Liz is is unknowable. Unless you’re Nikki Haley, and you know whether you’re actually gonna endorse him or not.
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:42

    Right? She knows whether she will ultimately endorse him or maybe she’s like, maybe she doesn’t. Maybe she is sort of like the angrier she gets the further away she gets from the endorsement, the crappier he is, the further that’s my hope because the worst case scenario for for the work that I do and the country and persuading people not to vote for him is a Nikki Haley endorsement after running a long, hard, truthful campaign against him through super Day. Right? That’s the worst case scenario.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:09

    But the best case scenario is the other way. She goes hard on him and then she doesn’t endorse him.
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:14

    So Bill and Tim the other night, Bill made a case that I hadn’t really thought about. Oh try it on you. I’m not sure if I believe it or not. Tim said having Haley attack Trump for a month does its own damage? And whether or not she technically endorses him or doesn’t endorse him
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:34

    at the end?
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:34

    This was Bill’s point. This was Bill’s point.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:36

    I’ve heard he’s made this to me.
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:38

    Yeah. So I don’t think I believe that because I think the percentage of people paying attention now versus creating retention, then we’ll now what Amanda said, look, we’ve already got the sound. Right? So the Biden Biden administration can just run ads of her saying the things she said about Trump, And they’ve got the sounds to use and attack it. Right?
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:58

    All that really matters is what you have up on the air in August and September and October. And so if you’ve got that sound, what does it matter that she has said technically? So tell tell me more.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:09

    Okay. So everything so many things are permission structures. Right? So what Liz does, what Cassidy Hutchenson does, when Mark Esper, what it does is it shames them. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:25

    It makes the donors like, when Nikki if Nikki Haley endorses, it is further evidence that there’s no it feels like there’s no other choice. Well, of course, she has to endorse him. We all have to bend the knee. Because this is just what the this is the price of being on the team. And if she doesn’t, it reminds people that Oh, yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:44

    You don’t have to do this. It’s not like because this is what they do at their lunches and their board meetings. Is they’re kinda like, yeah. Well, you know, you just gotta do this because that’s the thing. But when people don’t do it, it makes them say, like no.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:59

    I could be with Liz. I could be with Nikki and not. Do it.
  • Speaker 1
    0:22:06

    I, I think that’s probably right. One more thing. Look. Here, I mean, we mean the Democrats. New York Times has a story this morning saying that South Carolina Democrats are urging demos not to vote in the Republican primary, but to wait three weeks and then go vote in the Democratic primary instead.
  • Speaker 1
    0:22:25

    I think that’s I mean, I don’t wanna say it’s a huge mistake because it’s not gonna affect the outcome, but I think it’s generally a mistake. We You should want Democrats to cross over and vote for Nikki Haley in South Carolina. Totally. If there is gonna every bit every point you can take away from Trump hurts him a little bit. And it’s not gonna change the outcome, but you don’t know, again, with such a close run election, you don’t know where the tipping point is And so any opportunity you have to inflict damage on him should be taken.
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:54

    Agree. And also, He this stuff makes him act like a lunatic. Like, when she came close to him in New Hampshire, He behaved like a crazy man
  • Speaker 1
    0:23:06

    Yep.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:06

    In response. And I think that that if she stays in and he’s already right show show us. This is Susie Wiles and Chris Lasavita. I was Jonathan Last night, and I was talking about I was I was trying to make a it’s always hard to make a bigger point on cable TV, but I wanted to sort of it’s it’s a little bit of a version of Tim’s trump the mega, like, the mega establishment, you know. But if you look at all of the state parties now, the state parties are falling apart, They are all paying, like, the money.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:37

    They’re the RNC is in debt. All the money’s going to Trump. Trump is spending it on his legal defenses. Right?
  • Speaker 1
    0:23:44

    He spent so much money on more.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:46

    So much money. And and it’s just gonna get worse. Right? Like, the It’s been out
  • Speaker 1
    0:23:48

    of the campaign fund. How is that even legal?
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:51

    I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t understand. So he’s sucking up all this money. And like the the but the state and the state people now who are running the apparatus, are these, like super mega weirdos, right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:24:03

    It’s like this Christina caramel where, like, they voted her out and she’s just refusing to leave. It’s this person in Arizona. Like, there’s just these nut balls. And so what’s crazy now is, like, Trump has Chris Sevi Chris La Savida and Susie He has like the normal, like, former Mitt Romney, former DeSantis staffers around him, and the rest of the party, right, used to be the inverse. The rest of the party was normal, and Trump had all the cranks and weirdos.
  • Speaker 2
    0:24:27

    Like, he has now sort of gathered many of the people who, like, operators who know how to do this stuff. And the rest of these people because the only litmus test for them to be in their posts was mega fealty. They don’t have any actual skills. They don’t know how to run a state party. They don’t know how to do fundraising.
  • Speaker 2
    0:24:45

    They don’t know how to do it. They just know how to go out and talk about trump being the best thing ever. As a result, right? Trump, has, like, a good operation. And he has people around him who are telling him, like, I think they did in New or in, Iowa.
  • Speaker 2
    0:25:03

    Like, go give a nice, you know, be cool. Thank everybody. And but they couldn’t quite control them in New Hampshire. He got all wound up and pissed off. This is what you want.
  • Speaker 2
    0:25:14

    Right? Yeah. They are gonna try to make him normal. They are running a campaign. I’m sorry.
  • Speaker 2
    0:25:20

    I’m on, like, I didn’t think I had this much to talk about, but I do. One of the things that’s crazy about how they’re gonna counter program people’s sense of Trump being like a chaos candidate is to act like he’s a he’s this normal stable candidate. He’s the one who’s gonna stabilize things at the border. He’s the one who’s gonna stabilize things internationally. He’s the one who’s gonna stabilize the economy.
  • Speaker 2
    0:25:41

    If he flirts with being a dictator or whatever, people want something done. They want a strongman. They want, you know, things are in chaos. They are counter programming. They have a smart smart strategy.
  • Speaker 2
    0:25:52

    And so the I think it is imperative that people the Trump’s instincts are to be a psychopath. And so and just listening to Robbie Kaplan yesterday, it was so clear to me too. Like, this woman, and Nikki Haley, just being a woman, let’s, like, that kind of stuff bugs them. Someone saying he’s having a tantrum saying he’s being a big baby. This is the kind of stuff that makes him nuts and act out and you need voters to see them.
  • Speaker 2
    0:26:18

    You don’t wanna let them get away with this idea that a return to Trump is a return to normalcy, which is what Tim Scott’s been out there saying as a surrogate.
  • Speaker 1
    0:26:26

    Hey, Sarah. You know, there’s there’s actually more of the show.
  • Speaker 2
    0:26:30

    Oh, there is how much more.
  • Speaker 1
    0:26:31

    There’s more so much more. All of the more it goes on for hours. If people want to get the rest of the show, you you know what they have to do. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:26:38

    I think they have to go to Bulwark Plus. Do they have to subscribe? What do they have
  • Speaker 1
    0:26:42

    to do? Yes. They have to pay us money. Oh. Pay that me and his money.
  • Speaker 1
    0:26:47

    And go to the Bulwark dot com and subscribe to become a member of Bulwark Plus.
  • Speaker 2
    0:26:52

    All the good stuffs on the other side.
  • Speaker 1
    0:26:54

    Bye.
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