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Mike Makes a Mess & Ronna Romney Runs Away

February 7, 2024
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It’s been a mess of a week for the GOP. Senate Republicans tanked their own bipartisan border bill, while House Republicans failed to deliver the votes to impeach Alejandro Mayorkas, Secretary of Homeland Security, and provide aid to Israel. The DC Court of Appeals also ruled that former President Donald Trump is not immune from prosecution, just as RNC chair Ronna McDaniel steps down to make way for a Trump loyalist. A.B. Stoddard subs in for Sarah in this week’s packed episode!

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  • Speaker 1
    0:00:05

    Hello, everyone. Welcome to the next level. I’m J VL here with my best friend, Tim Miller, and sitting in for my other best friend Sarah Longwell today is our very, very close friend and confidant my partner from another one of the shows I do, a, b, Stoddard, a, b, welcome, happy pre Marty Graw. Tim don’t shake your beads. Before we get going, if you are gonna be in the DC area, not next week, but the week after, we are going to be at a conference called principles first.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:37

    It’s from February twenty three to twenty five. This is the third or fourth year. They’ve done it, I think. And it’s it’s gonna be a very, very big crowd this time around. There’s gonna be a happy hour for Bulwark people on Friday.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:51

    Asa Hutchenson’s gonna be there, Adam Kinzinger, George Conway, Judge Ludwig, Elissa Farah, all the Bulwark people will be there. I will put in a special appearance. I will not be at the happy hour that too much socializing for me. I’m sorry. I I did that once last year, and that was that was enough to get me through the next decade, or at least the next presidential term.
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:12

    Okay. Guys. Very, very big news week already. Let’s start in Nevada where Nikki Haley got doubled up. By none of the above.
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:23

    And on the one hand, people may say, Hey, this doesn’t matter. There were no delegates at stake, and Nikki didn’t act leave and play in Nevada. And what does it mean? She’s on to South Carolina and beyond. And I say this seems to me like a pretty good pure polling exercise with eighty thousand Republicans involved.
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:48

    And, when offered the choice not between Trump and Nikki Haley, but between none of the above and Nikki Haley, none of the above basically being Trump, they chose they chose none of the above, meaning Trump, by two to one. Tim, early in this contest, we had a lot of philosophizing about what are these percentages of the always Trump and the maybe trump and then the never trump. I think we can pretty firmly say that always trump portion of the Republican Party is somewhere between fifty five and sixty five percent. Is that It’s at least
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:21

    it’s at least forty eight and a half. I mean, it’s a strong forty eight. I I have a practical question. I mean, this is just me kind of as as a political hand I was thinking about this last night. When you lose a campaign to none of the above, who who do you call?
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:37

    Like who do you concede to? Like, when you prepare your concession speech, is that you just gonna get on the phone to Nova? Or do you call the Secret Podcast state? Congratulate them?
  • Speaker 3
    0:02:47

    No. She’s gonna be declared the her.
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:49

    Maybe what you do is celebrate your victory over Mike Pence. Mike Pence was also on the ballot, and Nikki crushed him. So maybe what she does is declare I’m the winner of all the people who are live human beings. I won this primary.
  • Speaker 3
    0:03:02

    You guys, she technically is the victor in that primary, and that’s why Trump said she’s probably gonna come out and declare victory because when you’re second to none above, you get to be the official winner.
  • Speaker 1
    0:03:13

    Which, she’s literally second to none.
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:16

    I do wanna just kind of have a quick fact check on that. I I I had to pull this up. Mike Pence was actually closer to Nikki, the Nick was none of the above. Only a twenty six point defeat over Mike Pence sixty three with none of the above. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:34

    I mean, there was a good focus group about just the absurdity of this with John Raulston and Sarah that’s kind of worth listening to for the Yucks. But on the one hand, it doesn’t matter. On the other hand, it just confirms what we know, right? Which is like like this party does not want her. They’re not interested in her.
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:50

    If Donald Trump got the cheeseburger from heaven or if he disappeared from the face of the earth for some reason, they wouldn’t turn to her. And I I it is hard for I think some people to just like accept that reality about the state of play but this is just another data point in support of it.
  • Speaker 1
    0:04:08

    AB, is this a they don’t want Nikki or is this they will only accept Trump? I mean, I see it more as a it’s not about Nikki at all. Is that they will accept nothing but Trump.
  • Speaker 3
    0:04:19

    Trump is gonna win the Nevada caucuses on Thursday, and some people decided that this scheme to embarrass her was worth their time yesterday. So they voted in the primary to vote for Trump, which is none of the above. I mean, it’s a cult. They took their time out of their day to go do that, which is really weird. But it is true that she is not the runner-up.
  • Speaker 3
    0:04:44

    This is not a situation where, you know, in twenty sixteen, it would have gone to Ted Cruz if Donald Trump had had a fatal cheeseburger. So this is but I don’t even know why we’re talking about it. She’s not in it, you guys, to win the nomination or to be the runner-up. She’s now crapping on him. She knows she’s not gonna win South Carolina.
  • Speaker 3
    0:05:04

    I think it’s great. I want her to stay in. She’s gonna never mention what happened in Nevada. Her team said, like you said, we weren’t even playing there. You know, it wasn’t a factor.
  • Speaker 3
    0:05:15

    So she’s, like, stirring my hopes, like Sarah Longwell Longwell, that she’s gonna do something good at the end. Probably not great. But she doesn’t sound like someone in the last few days with her last few ads, like, who’s gonna endorse Trump. So I think that’s our focus. Right?
  • Speaker 3
    0:05:34

    She’s this is a PR stunt for her. And it’s a feel good thing to having a good time, but it’s not about her, like, racking up delegates. I mean, that’s a joke. Why she keeps getting money for this is kind of interesting?
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:46

    It is a good question. And I wrote about this this morning. What is being you all this money is just useless. It’s just being burned. How about this for this example?
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:53

    Nevada. I don’t have this quick fact at my hands, but I’m trying I’m going by congressional districts. It’s not like Nevada has meaningfully more people than Iowa. Nikki Haley, who didn’t campaign in Nevada got the same amount of votes that she did in Iowa. There’s a rump faction.
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:08

    She got twenty one thousand votes in this Nevada, whatever you wanna call it primary last night. She got twenty one thousand in Iowa caucuses exactly the same. So there’s a rump faction of the party that wants this, but I everything that that has been spent, you know, as I as I wrote this morning. Two hundred twenty five million between Haley Scott and DeSantis, and they’re super packs alone. Their campaigns also spent money.
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:32

    But all this big donor money, two hundred twenty five million much of it went to Iowa for no purpose. Like, they don’t win over anybody and this speaks to the cult point. They didn’t try to win over anybody. And so since they didn’t try to win over anybody, they didn’t succeed at winning over anybody. And so they just burned hundreds of millions of dollars in a pie for absolutely no reason to no result and as we saw last night in Nevada, Nikki Haley could have literally done nothing and probably ended up in the same position where she’s back.
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:01

    About one fifth of the party.
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:03

    This is the key part, I think. And when you look to all of these states used to be very different. Yeah. We used to look at the states and say, The demographics of Iowa are good for Senator Smith and the demographics of South Carolina are good for governor Jones, and so we would expect them to play differently. And that has all been flattened within the Republican Party.
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:24

    Those distinctions no longer matter And throughout the Republican electorate, the races are essentially nationalized. And, this has been clear for coming on several months at least a year. Looking at it. And look at the polling for South Carolina, the polling for Michigan and the polling for California. It’s all the same.
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:44

    It’s between fifty five and sixty five percent Trump. And this is how it has been since Iowa, somewhere between fifty five and sixty five percent of Republic everywhere in these United States of America just want Trump. They don’t want anything else. They don’t want DeSantis. They don’t want Nicki Haley, it doesn’t matter who you put up.
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:05

    I feel like this is a weirdly we just sort of glossed past the reality that this gonna be the third time in a row. The Republican Party has nominated the same guy. There is no modern precedent for this. This does not happen.
  • Speaker 3
    0:08:17

    To quote JBL, this is not what normal party do.
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:20

    It isn’t what normal parties do.
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:21

    Well, it is kind of what normal parties do in like Bolivia.
  • Speaker 3
    0:08:25

    You guys haven’t we known for months that he had? Sixty percent, and they were never gonna touch him. Whether they spent that advertising money or not.
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:34

    We have strongly suspected.
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:36

    So our friend, friend of the Bulwark, what heirs? Right. So friend of the Bull Bulwark with Ayers, who was on I and I love wit. I disagree with him all the time, and so I feel weird about it. But but I really do and I think he’s very smart.
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:46

    The only reason I engage is because I admire him. But he has been saying for for months now that they’re, you know, the actually When you put the maybe Trump and never trump part of the caucus together, that’s a flat majority of the Republican party, and the always trump is is really just as it’s between thirty five and forty percent. And and I just don’t think that’s true. I think the people in the party who want Trump and nothing but Trump is Again, somewhere between fifty five and sixty five percent. And the total of never Trump and maybe trump is about thirty percent.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:18

    It’s also just like a a logic puzzle that you can’t get out of. Like, when you just start talking to these people, right, where it’s like, maybe it’s true that there’s a maybe Trump faction that could have gotten Trump under Right? But you can’t attack trump because that will just thrust them into Trump’s arms. You can’t not attack trump because then you’re not running a campaign against it. You can’t say that Trump is lying because then they’ll get mad at you.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:42

    If you can’t say that Trump’s telling the truth, because then you’re just pushing them into trouble. Right? Like, so maybe there is a maybe Trump faction, but the there’s no way to actually get them. Right? And anytime anybody suggests that may be the right way to persuade them is to remind them that they’re being conned by like a decades long con man who screwed people over and who’s lied about everything and who actually lost the election and didn’t build the wall and you know, had a fake university.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:09

    Right? If you mentioned any of that, then they’re just gonna get mad at you and say you’re elitist is condescending and looking down on them and so that’s gonna force them to vote for trump. Right? So it’s like, so for all practical purposes, if there’s no strategy that can be employed to to win over the maybe Trump people without thrusting them into Trump’s arms, then they’re just indistinguishable from the Trump people. Always Trump people.
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:29

    Well, it’s revealed preferences. Right. The only reason we think there are maybe Trump people is because in in surveys, people will say, well, I don’t know. Well, you know, but then when you when you push them and actually ask them to reveal their preferences, you get always trump. So they’re lying.
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:46

    Yeah. They’re lying.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:47

    Oh, they don’t know themselves.
  • Speaker 3
    0:10:48

    A lot of people sending twenty five dollars to Nikki right now who still believe that she’s gonna prevail somewhere who are not listening to us right now are never gonna vote for Trump. But there may be trumpers supporting her right now with significant dollars, and they’re telling themselves, he’s a snoundrel. This is I’ve had it. This is the last time. Look at what’s happening with Ukraine and and up on the hill.
  • Speaker 3
    0:11:14

    This is a mess. The Republican party that I knew blah blah blah blah blah. It’s only February seventh. By May seventh, they’ll be completely on board, and they won’t remember February seventh.
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:26

    Yes.
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:28

    Yes. Hopefully, some of them won’t.
  • Speaker 3
    0:11:30

    So, great. So we’re hope we’re hoping that
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:33

    That a minority of the minority
  • Speaker 3
    0:11:35

    that that so we’re hoping that there’s this, segment of Never Trump that’s gonna hold. We want them to vote for Biden instead of staying home. Then there’s a maybe Trump segment we hope is, like, right now, pro, like, everything Nikki’s saying is, like, so satisfying and, like, make, you know, make American normal, and we need rationality, and we need someone who’s in their fifties. And and, like, this is so great. And I’ve had it.
  • Speaker 3
    0:11:58

    And we hope that they you know, read what these three judges wrote about what it means to empower a president to basically negate elections and not pay price, you know, all all of that. Right? And and may we hope that maybe Trump faction, part of it is gonna harden And we have no handle on what the percentage is to combine never Trump with the people who will say, you know what? I was for Nikki, and she’s no longer an option, but I can’t deal with this guy. He he’s gone he’s he’s gone over the edge.
  • Speaker 3
    0:12:31

    I don’t know what takes someone in twenty twenty four over the edge with Trump. That wasn’t over the edge with him before. But I’m hoping it’s a significant margin.
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:43

    That’s the big question. Rona, Rona, Rona, Romney McDaniel, has been pushed out of the RNC. I’m hoping that you can explain this to me, a, b, because this is a woman who is so compromised and so slavishly devoted to Trump that she jettisoned her family name. She essentially changed her name in public to please him. And he has decided she’s gotta go, and she seems to be shocked that the leopards are eating her face.
  • Speaker 1
    0:13:13

    Why did he decide this? I mean, it does seem like he and his team have decided that they really need to fully own the RNC and then the state level parties at every level. Why is that? What why did they make this decision?
  • Speaker 3
    0:13:28

    So they already own the state parties at every level. And, you know, they own they’ve controlled the RNC for years. But it’s an easy punching bag right now. Right? So even though she wasn’t face fronting, stop the steal, election denier, they are proposing a guy who is this guy from North Carolina.
  • Speaker 3
    0:13:47

    So they’re like, this is better because election integrity is really important and it’s gonna be a big part of the campaign and she just wasn’t taking it seriously enough. And then you get to beat up on the on Rana for like not raising enough money, and the Democrats have too much money. And that’s a bad thing. And, oh, well, we need more money since his legal fees are so expensive. So much of the money is going there that someone has to put, you know, be blamed for the fact that he’s so toxic.
  • Speaker 3
    0:14:16

    They’re having trouble raising money and the and all of it’s going to his legal fees. So So she’s sort of an easy punching mag. And then, you know, the people like Charlie Kirk and, you know, Vivek have been saying all along, like, everything’s her fault. So she takes it. But her sort of pretending to be neutral on TV thing masks the fact that she rigged it from day one for Trump.
  • Speaker 3
    0:14:38

    And they’ve controlled the RNC from from twenty twenty on. And and that that moment happened when he threatened on Air Force One leaving Washington as becoming an ex president in mid flight. As he threatened to leave the Republican Party. He’s controlled the Ron DeSantis that moment. January twentieth of twenty twenty one, and all the donors know that.
  • Speaker 3
    0:15:02

    So and then it’s not like the new person will do any better, but they can they can say, this is why Ron has to go, and she’s so lovely. And they met at Marlago on Monday. Well, they had this nice family conversation where he wished her well and said she was awesome. And she looks great on the Ozempic, and it’s all just one big, happy family. But they get to say she wasn’t really taking the election integrity seriously enough that it really has to be one of our major platforms.
  • Speaker 3
    0:15:30

    We have to admit this many resources into it, and she was only putting this many resources into it.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:35

    It’s very Soviet. Like, the only thing that’s missing from the Soviet element of it is getting put. I was like, Ronda would have got pushed out the window if it was a Soviet Soviet Russia but like everything else about it. You know, it’s like we we’ve put Carol Mott’s off you know, in charge of like the party. And people are not hap and people are not happy with the party, you know?
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:55

    And so it’s like
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:56

    I’ll take over. Yeah. Right.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:02

    Oh, and then then it’s very easy then to undermine caramel off. He’s like, well, Sarah Longwell wasn’t quite loyal enough to the party and he wasn’t effective enough for the party. And so, you know, so we have Vivekoff, you know, or whatever Charlie Sykes over here like, well, someone else could do much better. And if you’re rid of them, it has nothing to do with actual results. I mean, if if Rana had been judged based on her results, she would have been gone like a half decade ago.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:26

    Exactly. And she hasn’t won anything. And it’s crazy to think that she lasted as long as she had. It’s the longest losing streak of any party committee chairman ever, just because no party committee chairman would ever stay in after losing three straight elections. Well, you know, two and a half.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:42

    However, you wanna describe twenty twenty two. So, like, the track record is terrible. The fundraising is terrible. PR is terrible. The only reason she was in there in the first place was loyalty to trump, and so there’s always a a weakness to that.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:54

    And, you know, an authoritarian regime, which is there can always be somebody that’s more loyal that that positions themselves as more loyal or more crazy or more dedicated I do have to admit to one of the thing related to this topic, if you guys don’t mind. I need you guys to check me on this because everyone does want. I’m just starting to chuckle at Matt Gates a little bit. Every once in a while Mack Gates does something and I just enjoy it a little bit and I don’t want to. I know I shouldn’t, but the way that which castrated, Kevin McCarthy, and then just keeps doing.
  • Speaker 2
    0:17:25

    I just will not let it go. Is is pretty good. Did you see his tweet? He goes, he full I fully endorsed Kevin McCarthy for RNC chair. Kevin is well organized.
  • Speaker 2
    0:17:36

    He will also be well liked by the RNC committee. The RNC chair doesn’t make any policy decisions setting any agenda or negotiate with Democrats ever, so Kevin would be terrific. I mean, it’s just like I own you and now you used to be speaker of the house, and now wanna give you this little office over at the party committee and just gonna patch you on your back little guy. It was pretty pretty amusing. I don’t I don’t know that Kevin’s gonna want that job.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:00

    It sounds like Trump wants is guy from North Carolina who argued also in a very Soviet manner that Trump won North Carolina because of the precautions they took against the thieves. Yeah. Right. In North Carolina, you know, that he was on the The Party chairman of North Carolina made sure that the bamboo ballots weren’t coming in from China and that, you know, there there were no mules and Raleigh and, and so
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:28

    They said shamans positioned around the border to stop the ghost of Hugo Chavez. So They, yeah, they did a great job. It’s an amazing thing. On the Gates question, I did wonder Unless it’s a fetish. Right?
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:46

    And maybe maybe Matt Gates just needs to do it. Oh, it needs to do it.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:50

    I
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:50

    can’t stop myself. There is a little why are you going and driving back over the guy you ran over? Like, why haven’t
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:59

    Maybe he’s raising your hand.
  • Speaker 3
    0:19:01

    This is all about his ethics investigation. If you’ve been listening to Kevin McCarthy, you would know that. And that’s why he started the campaign to to get to get rid of him. The ethics investigation is opened back up and is very serious, and it’s a big, problem for him. And because He has to do it because Matt Gates is his own power base now, and Kevin is going out and trying to primary everybody in the Crazy eight.
  • Speaker 3
    0:19:28

    Who took him down
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:29

    for now. Gotcha.
  • Speaker 3
    0:19:30

    But I would like to just, you know, you know me, Kevin McCarthy’s best friend I do wanna read hilarious, tweet from Congressman Massey. Our friend, Tom Massey is a little upset. This is last night. After a debacle in the house of representatives for the majority. Getting rid of speaker McCarthy has officially turned into a mitigated disaster.
  • Speaker 3
    0:19:53

    All work on separate spending bills has ceased. Spending reductions have been traded for spending increases warrantless spying has been temporarily extended. Our majority has shrunk. So so Tom Massey wanted to send slang out to counter, Matt Gates on behalf of Tim McCarthy was a little amusing.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:11

    They’re just like little green shoots of clarity from some of the crazies, like Chip Roy yesterday. Was on the floor saying, like, actually this talking point that the president can just close the border. It’s not really true. And do you know how I know true. Donald Trump was president for four years, and the border wasn’t closed.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:29

    So maybe we do need to change a couple laws. Actually, if we wanna take care of this, like, whoa, Chip Roy. Speaking, like, an accidental truth spoken on the house floor, but him and Matthew.
  • Speaker 3
    0:20:40

    There are a few of them telling the truth. The last couple of days. A little shy. I’ve counted five people, which is a, like, a good number.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:47

    I didn’t notice any of them shaming because it it is still clubby. I was amused by the talking point going around. So when they didn’t, we haven’t actually gotten into this yet. So they they failed in peach. I’ll handle my orcas yesterday.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:58

    I’m gonna do your job, J. And just take a a brief hosting role here. They failed.
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:02

    Teach him for what? Was it for aiding and abetting an invasion? Was that the
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:07

    Yes. Yes. He was he was he was As Gates described it, Maurecus was intentionally allowing the invasion to happen. Invasion. Right.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:16

    Yeah. The invasion. Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:17

    Which is the word they like to use. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:19

    And it was intentional. Right? It’s not an accident. It’s not just bad policy. It’s not a mistake.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:23

    This is what they want. It’s all part of the plan. Great replacement. So that was the theory.
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:27

    Right. That’s what this is.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:28

    This is. Yeah. I would have to be benedict Arnold because otherwise it’s not a high crime misdemeanor and when we had not successfully impeached account on secretary since the eighteen sixties and that guy was like, you know, it was just a straight corruption scheme, kind of a military contracting corruption scheme, in the Ulysses s grant administration. So this was the first attempt to impeach somebody since then. They need to come up with something.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:50

    And, it fails. Good on Ken Buck, Mike Gallagher and Tom Mclintock for being the three Republicans too. And
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:56

    really good on them.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:57

    Really good on them to say this is crazy. We’re not gonna do this. Like, you need to give us a reason. That said, even with those three defections, the Republicans would have impeached him with one more vote. And Steve Scalia is out with cancer.
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:09

    And so that left two options. One was George Sanchez who got expelled. And one is Kevin McCarthy who quit. Oops. Right.
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:18

    I thought it was interesting last night that Anna Paulina Luna and others were out there tweeting. I wish we had kept Santos so we could have done this. And it was like nobody’s out there saying, like, maybe Kevin McCarthy shouldn’t have quit.
  • Speaker 3
    0:22:32

    Mc Gates said that.
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:34

    Oh, did Gates also say that? He runs him out of the speakership
  • Speaker 3
    0:22:36

    and then is mad that he he said we he said last night on One of those Secret Podcast he shows up on. He said we could have used his vote tonight, but of course he scrambled it down. Like,
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:47

    but is the case right about that? So I’m sorry to defend my case for the second time in this podcast, but, like, if you’re there, if you’re in Congress and you’re elected, he wasn’t elected to be speaker, He was elected to represent Bakersfield. And and when he got kicked out of the speakership, the people of Bakersfield still needed a representative. No. He you just How are
  • Speaker 1
    0:23:05

    they supposed to defend themselves against the invasion? Like, he’s not there to be their voice. I like the George Santos tweet where he’s like, miss me yet. That was that was great. Before we go on and talk more about this, let’s do a quick word from our sponsors, Tim.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:20

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  • Speaker 1
    0:25:02

    I am sure that there is some amount of money which would persuade me to go to Marty Gras. But I have a hard time figuring out what that amount is. It’s like if somebody decided I’m gonna design an event specifically to repel JBL.
  • Speaker 2
    0:25:18

    It might be Mardi Go. Can I tell you, I have one quick Mardi Go pro chip? Our listeners. Something that I just learned as a long time Louisiana lover, somebody had visited Louisiana a lot, and did not really realize this. The locals have a locals pre Marty Graw, the weekend before.
  • Speaker 2
    0:25:36

    So there’s some parades there in as big as Rex and Bakkis, the ones you know, but there’s parades that are pretty big and they’re it’s the weekend prior. It’s a lot chiller. And so if you have like an eight year old or a seven year old that just likes free stuff, And you’re looking for an excuse to come to New Orleans. This is the cheat code. You go the weekend before I’m already brought.
  • Speaker 2
    0:25:56

    You get all the parades. They throw you beads. They throw you toys. It’s a perfect childhood environment. You can stand there as a grown up and have a couple IPAs and enjoy a beautiful, swampy, Louisiana February?
  • Speaker 2
    0:26:11

    No? That doesn’t appeal to you JV? Alright. It’s something for the listeners. So
  • Speaker 1
    0:26:16

    Why did the Republicans try to impeach this homeland security secretary? It’s because they couldn’t impeach Biden. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:26:24

    Because they had to impeach somebody.
  • Speaker 1
    0:26:25

    And they had to impeach somebody because Trump is demanding
  • Speaker 2
    0:26:28

    it. Yes. So why the whole thing, why did they not everything is about Trump. I know that people are like, oh, the board, you have TBS. No.
  • Speaker 2
    0:26:35

    It’s all about Trump. Why did they not pass this immigration deal? With immigration and Taiwan and Israel and Ukraine funding. Why they not pass it? Trump.
  • Speaker 2
    0:26:43

    Simple. Trump is the reason. They didn’t pass it because Trump doesn’t want him to because he wants gas on the border. Why did they try to impeach Maurchase? Trump.
  • Speaker 2
    0:26:50

    Why are they investigating Hunter Biden? Trump. Everything is Trump. That is their reasoned Etra. It’s why they’re existing.
  • Speaker 2
    0:26:57

    It’s why it is the reason for everything that they do because he needs talking points for the election. He needs for his little ego, you know, to kind of balance things out and say I’m not the only one they’re investigating. They’re investigating the other too. They didn’t be, you got impeached to my yorker. It’s all
  • Speaker 1
    0:27:12

    the same. It’s all the same.
  • Speaker 2
    0:27:14

    Also got impeached. Right? Like that’s that’s the whole point of all this. But they The funny thing is there is that when you have this Soviet Bolivian party, like you’re not that you’re, you know, I don’t know if you watch the Chernobyl show. You’re also not that effective.
  • Speaker 2
    0:27:27

    So they can’t even do it. Right. Like it’s like it’s kind of hilarious to me. Like like it’s one thing to say we can’t do the policy because, you know, there are a handful of people left in the Republican conference that have certain policy beliefs that they’re not gonna sacrifice. Not that many, but enough.
  • Speaker 2
    0:27:42

    But not only can they not do the policy. They can’t even do the k fabe. I’m not even confident enough to do that.
  • Speaker 1
    0:27:47

    But they have to try it. This is the weird thing. Right? They had to try and fail on this because not trying would have been unacceptable to the Orange god king. Right?
  • Speaker 1
    0:27:57

    Stalin needed them to make it to charge against the position that they couldn’t take so that they could prove their loyalty. And it’s a crazy thing. AB. Mitch McConnell said that the aid to Ukraine was like the single most important thing that America could do, has now been presented the opportunity to send aid to Ukraine and get everything he’s ever wanted on immigration reform. And he has come out against the bill that his own conference negotiator designed.
  • Speaker 1
    0:28:26

    Talk to me about this.
  • Speaker 3
    0:28:27

    He’s come out against the bill that he designated Langfort negotiate and lead and and be the the target for. Langford literally agreed to ruin his career. Over this. He’s gonna make it to twenty twenty eight, but he will be primary for this.
  • Speaker 2
    0:28:46

    Did he realize that? That’s a a series I’m curious.
  • Speaker 3
    0:28:48

    That I read the New York Times piece and and he was quite open. He said when when people come back around every once in a while, you know, in between the decades and negotiate reforms for immigration. They forget what happened to the people before. Some quote like that is really interesting. But he’s a sanguine spiritual man.
  • Speaker 3
    0:29:08

    Who is well, I don’t know, is we’re, like, ready to take the hit. So he took it. So it was McConnell who asked him to do it. And I know that McConnell doesn’t read the Bork, and I’m tired of writing about him. But if he’d read the last two things, I wrote about him, he could have known that they were gonna come for his job mid cycle.
  • Speaker 3
    0:29:24

    And not wait for the election. And that even if I had said if Biden won, he would still lose his job. So Ted Cruz, the reason that he He fought for this package for, like, three hours, and then he basically told everyone, like, oh, no. Okay. We’re gonna vote against it.
  • Speaker 3
    0:29:39

    And the only reason he did that was so that he could say I was still being your leader and protecting you guys from tough votes because he still thinks he’s gonna be leader even though Ted Cruz And, Mike Lee, and other people are saying it’s time for new leadership. So the federalist and all these people are coming out from McConnell, and they’re fueling all these guys and his opponents. Yeah. Is there a tiny chance he makes it to November? Yes.
  • Speaker 3
    0:30:04

    But it’s not it’s not a certainty. And he just did that instead of fighting to the finish and going down in flames and saying, you guys can vote against it, but I’m gonna go to the floor and vote for it because right to do. He said, I’ve changed my mind. Let’s all vote against it because he’s pretending that he’s still their leader. And putting that first.
  • Speaker 3
    0:30:24

    It’s it it’s so much more pathetic than I could have understood when I woke up on Monday morning of this week. I’m just I just find it deeply depressed.
  • Speaker 2
    0:30:32

    He miscalculated the politics. I he also manages to still miscalculate where his own party is on policy. I just I think this is important. So, like, we and how do I know this? So Josh Holmes was among his closest advisors.
  • Speaker 2
    0:30:44

    He’s another podcast. Everybody’s a podcaster now. And, over the past week as some of the opposition to this came out. Things got a little heated on the right. And, like, especially based on something that he said on his podcast about Mike Lee about how these guys are just fine helping Hamas don’t have the exact quote in front of me, but it was something like he he thought that he could use the two thousand to twenty twelve era attack on these guys, be like, you guys are giving aid and comfort to Michael Moore.
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:13

    You know, you guys are are who is the lady that used to protest outside Crawford?
  • Speaker 1
    0:31:17

    Cindy Sheehan.
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:18

    Cindy Sheehan. It’s like, you got so you guys are nice, Paul. Now you guys are Cindy Sheehan Republicans. You’re just out there to help Hamas. And it’s like, actually, the voters don’t this doesn’t work.
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:30

    The Republican voters don’t care about this. Republican voters care about Israel is dwindling by the week. Actually. And, and, like, the idea that you’re gonna be able to bully these guys by calling them weak kneed Putin and Hamas lovers, I just showed you got on these people to understand what happened. Like, it’s over.
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:48

    Like, that part is over. There there’s that faction within the party. It’s not that people don’t exist or disappeared, but that they’re a minority of the party and the people with the power and the people that are ascendant are happy or would be happy to fuck over Israel and Ukraine and Ukraine in particular. They’d be happy to. But they would be sanguine about fucking over Israel if it meant political power, if it meant trump, if it meant stricter border policies.
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:10

    Like that’s what those are the things that trump border anti immigrant culture war. Like, that is those are motivating factors, not this other, you know, strong defense stuff. And so they just totally misplayed this. Like they I think that they figured that Israel would also be something that they could use. Like that some border stuff.
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:29

    We did some Israel, and that’s how we’ll get people on board who secretly wanna vote for Ukraine but can’t do it. But it’s like that these guys, most of these senators are just happy to to flip it. You can see the frustration on the faces of the handful that are left that thoughts that Scamba could Bulwark, the Langfords, the Tillaces, the Todd young. Alright. When they give their interviews, you can see how flummoxed they are because I think that they still thought that they could do the two step and it it isn’t it’s it’s over.
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:54

    The party’s over.
  • Speaker 1
    0:32:55

    Do they still care about immigration, stricter immigration policies? Because I don’t I don’t think they care.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:01

    Who’s that? They they
  • Speaker 1
    0:33:02

    weren’t kinda the re Republican voters.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:04

    Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s why they have to create this this sham. This is why you see them all scrambling.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:09

    This wouldn’t make it that hard. It’s like, you know, they let a million people in through the border. It still has the five thousand. That’s what they have to misdescribe it about how they’re letting in five thousand people a day. They don’t say it was only for only seven days, then you can shut down the border.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:20

    But, you know, then you strap like that out to one point four million and and really Joe Biden could just shut down the border by himself. Do they care that much? Do they care as much as they care about the cult of Trump and live owning? But I think that there’s, like, some I do think that there’s some genuine, you know, border, xenophobic feeling.
  • Speaker 3
    0:33:36

    Yeah. That’s JBL, like, you laid out yesterday. I mean, that’s why they’re lying about it.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:41

    Yeah.
  • Speaker 3
    0:33:41

    And that’s what they call the Biden border bailout because they have to pretend that it does all these things it doesn’t do. And in Langford, it’s really caught love him even yesterday when it was completely over. Was still going on TV and making the case that if Republicans are gonna stand around telling American people that it’s not only a a chaotic, but it’s a national security threat that new masses of non Spanish speaking people are coming over our border. Many of them Chinese, and it is a different new threat. And if Republicans are gonna say that to the to the electorate, then they they really have no excuse for not trying to repair it.
  • Speaker 3
    0:34:23

    And I don’t know if he’ll be out there saying it today, but, I mean, that that’s what’s It is so it’s so amazing that he’s literally standing there trying to call people out his own party and and call Trump out about things that are being said about the bill that aren’t true. Again, I I don’t even know if he’s gonna be able to to go to the caucus lunches, you know, for the rest of the year, but he’s he’s trying to make it hard on on his colleagues in a way that Mitch McConnell won’t?
  • Speaker 1
    0:34:50

    I will ask the question that I ask, like, every third week on this show. Why are these people not Democrats? Why why is Mitt Romney still Republican? Why is Lancvard still a Republican. Why don’t they just say, Hey, this is the thing that I care about more than anything else in the world I was willing to end my career over this, and the Democratic party is willing to do it, and the Republican party is not Therefore, I guess I’m a Democrat.
  • Speaker 1
    0:35:24

    Who knew? And you switch the switch the party ID and then come out of the DNC and endorse Joe Biden. What is stopping? I don’t understand these people who I’m sorry. Your your Republican voters, if you were Mitt Romney and Jim Langford, they hate you.
  • Speaker 1
    0:35:40

    They would kill you some of them if they have the chance. Nope. And Democrats wouldn’t. So you are you are a Democrat. I am sorry.
  • Speaker 3
    0:35:48

    Maybe I’ll that’s not fair. That’s not fair. Mitt Romney PACE, is it five thousand dollars a day for security?
  • Speaker 1
    0:35:55

    Account for Democrats. He’s not he’s not afraid the Democratic coders coming after him.
  • Speaker 3
    0:35:59

    If he did that, he could afford it. But Jim Blankford has to go home to Oklahoma. And you just described how much they hate them and, like, threaten their lives. So he can’t become a Democrat, live in Oklahoma and, like, be in his family and been in his neighborhood.
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:11

    Move. He could do the Angus King thing. I don’t, like, I don’t, James Langford is not a don’t James Langford is a con is like a really conservative.
  • Speaker 1
    0:36:17

    James Langford, you will be happy in New York City. It’s a beautiful plays. I’ll take you to see a show.
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:22

    And by the way, the hat is tempting. Probably where he’s gonna move, actually, afterwards. Okay. Because, you know, it’s not like He wants to be in still I can still water’s a college town but I’m uh-uh you know somewhere in Oklahoma where it’s it’s all mega. James Langford’s still extremely conservative.
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:38

    Now I get you’re right on this issue. He’s gonna have more Democrats willing to vote with him significantly than Republicans. So that is a data point you should consider. I think what you’re asking is probably too much. But I I I don’t think it’s a fantasy to do the independent caucus thing.
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:52

    Angus King does this. You know what I mean? It’s like nobody’s like, oh, it’s crazy to think that Angie’s king is running as an independent. Angie’s king isn’t independent. Like, I don’t understand why they couldn’t do that.
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:04

    To to change the balance of power a little bit, but it still probably wouldn’t be enough.
  • Speaker 3
    0:37:08

    I’ve had that fantasy for years. You’d have to have a real independent caucus and not have people who caucus with their own party like Angus King does.
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:15

    That’s true.
  • Speaker 3
    0:37:15

    He can call himself an independent all day long, but he, you know, he’s he votes for Schumer. So you know, my fantasy is you just you only need three or four of them, but they’d have to literally never go to the lunches, never align with themself at the parties. And deny Schumer or McConnell majority ever.
  • Speaker 1
    0:37:30

    And they Why do they wanna go to the lunches? What is so great about having lunch with other human beings?
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:36

    The food is not should not be that good. It’s like Luke warm Chick fillet is what they’re serving at Republican lunches.
  • Speaker 1
    0:37:42

    She’s in your office and have lunch by yourself. Read a book. Nothing’s better than that. I don’t understand it. Alright.
  • Speaker 1
    0:37:52

    The yesterday, the DC Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously ruled that Donald Trump can be held accountable for criming?
  • Speaker 2
    0:38:01

    That’s nice.
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:01

    The Supreme Court may uphold this. It seems likely they’ll uphold it. Do either of
  • Speaker 2
    0:38:06

    you have any thoughts on this
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:07

    or should we just acknowledge that it is a thing that happened and that it just continues to push people into the arms of Donald Trump?
  • Speaker 3
    0:38:14

    Oh, I have so many thoughts on this, but I’ll make them brief.
  • Speaker 2
    0:38:17

    No. No. Please go. I don’t have a lot to say on this one. So I’m gonna mute my mic and start doing my pre Marty girl prep.
  • Speaker 3
    0:38:23

    I was so struck by this quote. We cannot accept former president Trump’s claim that a president has unbounded authority to commit primes that would neutralize the most fundamental check on executive power, the recognition and implementation of election results. Norcan we sanction his apparent contention that the executive has carte blanche to violate the rights of individual citizens to vote and have their votes count. This is completely fine with the Republican Party. What these three judges just said should be a complete violation of of his constitutional oath And the law is completely fine with with the Republican base with Republican voters and the Republican elected will not step in and say what each judges have said.
  • Speaker 3
    0:39:09

    He is literally running on a campaign that what he did was fine backed by the entire Republican establishment who, even when they know better and don’t agree, won’t say it out loud. And the voters think it’s great. And so this This is a reminder, you guys, that that no matter what Supreme Court says or federal peers appeals court say, the the voters this year are gonna tell us that it’s illegitimate, that it’s unacceptable. The voters in in the Republican Party. And I just don’t know if America has, like, really swallowed this, that there’s gonna be no institution that is legitimate anymore.
  • Speaker 3
    0:39:48

    The the courts is the last final frontier. We saw them in November and December of twenty twenty in January twenty one tell us that, well, maybe Regions do a good job, you know, and he didn’t find the good evidence. And that’s why sixty courts decided against the the the fake coup plot But they’re gonna say that this is unacceptable. They won’t take note. So when it goes to the Supreme Court, this is going to be a massive event.
  • Speaker 3
    0:40:15

    And Hugh Hewitt is out saying this morning that he would like the Supreme Court to take it. He guesses there are the four votes to do so, but he would really like the Supreme Court to actually freeze all of the prosecutions, until after November five. So he thinks that The country’s electoral process would be best served if Skotis put all the Trump prosecutions on ICE until postponing. He says,
  • Speaker 1
    0:40:40

    under under what principle?
  • Speaker 3
    0:40:42

    He says that he they should accept CERT and then punt it to the next session, not decided by this June, put it off until the next until the next docket. I mean, this is so fucking crazy. I I I just can’t believe or this is like the little hint the window into the reaction and the response that the Supreme Court is gonna face, whether they deny her, or they consider it themselves. They will be under pressure to eight punch holes in the denial of immunity and say, well, you could sort of have it this way, and you could maybe on Tuesday have it that way. At or they’re gonna be or they’re gonna be under pressure to take it and punch it until twenty five.
  • Speaker 3
    0:41:24

    Anyway, I’m alarmed.
  • Speaker 2
    0:41:26

    God help us. Yeah. I don’t have anything to add to how alarmed you are. I think that’s well put and and actually dark. I hadn’t even gotten to that dark a place about an AB.
  • Speaker 2
    0:41:36

    So you’re just I’m I’m kinda just letting that marinade in my brain right now. I have a practical addition which is I just don’t like the the time the calendar is not here for this right now. Right. You know, I just like I was looking at all articles. And I know that there are pause, you know, there are ways to spin it.
  • Speaker 2
    0:41:54

    It’s like, may, you know, this maybe this is a big risk for Trump. Maybe it ends up meaning that sentencing is in mid October. Maybe. Maybe. Alright.
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:04

    So there’s not a zero percent chance for that, but I I just think that you know, if you have a seven day delay, and then if they accept cert and then it’s twenty eight days, I and then you start the trial, like, we’re getting to convention time really quick. And it’s like, are these judges really gonna do this after the convention? I know that there’s some, you know, lawyers that’ll argue that Well, sure. Yeah, you can. I mean, but I think that it gets really ugly at that point.
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:31

    Like, we really needed the timeline to be a year earlier than it is.
  • Speaker 3
    0:42:37

    Yep.
  • Speaker 1
    0:42:38

    You know, I, our our friend in bassin, has a piece up at Law Fair today where he is talking about how the Supreme Court is not they don’t enforce the fourteenth amendment, then why should we think that they would enforce the twenty second amendment? But he he gets there by positing that what happens if we get to the Democratic Convention in August, and Joe Biden pulls the plug on his campaign? And by acclimation, the the Democratic Party says, well, we’re gonna nominate Barack Obama because he’s the popular guy who can bring everybody together. And that what and here, here, in fact, is what we can do to deny Trump a third term. We have Obama try to seek a third term first because we know Supreme Court will say no to that.
  • Speaker 1
    0:43:26

    And so if the Supreme Court has asked about does Donald Trump get a third term who knows what they’ll say. But we know that if they ask or ask about Obama, we’ll get a nine o decision saying, of course, Obama couldn’t possibly
  • Speaker 2
    0:43:39

    That is that is a great case and that should have been in the Bulwark not in law fair Ian. The law fair is getting great PR right now because it’s like the Republicans new favorite word. Have you noticed this? Yes. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:43:52

    You know, it’s like, Mike Johnson and Steve Band, it’s like whenever you turn on any Republican media, they’re like, it’s law fair targeting Donald Trump. These two, they don’t even know what it means, but, it’s been great. Good PR for our friend, Ben Will Saletan all.
  • Speaker 1
    0:44:05

    Alright. Let’s, let’s finish with something really depressing.
  • Speaker 2
    0:44:08

    Alright.
  • Speaker 1
    0:44:10

    My old friend Tucker Carlson is in Moscow and has interviewed Vladimir Putin. I almost never talked about Tucker because Like, it’s weird for me. And, I don’t know. Do you
  • Speaker 2
    0:44:21

    guys have thoughts about I want your thought. I’m taking it over. I’m turning it back on you. You go first. I wanna hear what you have to say about about this.
  • Speaker 1
    0:44:28

    So we don’t we don’t know what the interview was. We have a four minute thirty second video from Tucker explaining why he did it. And the reason he gives is that yeah. The reason he gives is that the media made him do it. The biased liberal mainstream media made him do it because no Western media reporter has even bothered, he says, to ask Vladimir Putin what he thinks about this since the invasion of Ukraine.
  • Speaker 1
    0:44:59

    And I mean, a That’s not true. The Western media has asked Putin all the time. In fact, we know we know it’s not true because a, a bunch of reporters have come out and said, yes. Of course, we’ve put in request to interview Putin. We’ve been denied.
  • Speaker 1
    0:45:12

    And the Kremlin press office, says, actually Tucker has made a mistake in this. We have been asked by many times to to do that. But the it’s it’s much worse than that. There’s a reporter named Evan Gerskovich, who, has been from the Wall Street Journal, who has been in jail in La fortive La Fortiva, the the notorious KGB prison in Moscow for since March of twenty twenty three, almost entirely in solitary confinement for reporting. On the grandma.
  • Speaker 1
    0:45:42

    People try to report all the time, and Vladimir Putin puts them in jail. Right? This is this is what he he does. And so the the the perversion in coming across and and look, maybe Tucker’s gonna do a real hard hitting interview with him. I don’t know.
  • Speaker 1
    0:46:00

    I think probably not, though. So I will provisionally say to sit down with this guy and try to help cover for him, Walter Duranti style, And to then excuse to then say because the media made me do it when the this monster spends all of his time that he’s not kidnapping children and murdering innocent civilians, oppressing the media is offensive isn’t the right word. I don’t know what the right word is, but I’ll say this. This isn’t this isn’t like, oh, he supports Donald Trump and even, you know, and Donald Trump is an authoritarian, and he’s trying to Vladimir Putin has forcibly kidnapped more than twenty thousand Ukrainian children and relocated them to the Russian interior. Taken more than twenty thousand children from their families and moved them into the Russian interior, and he’s being treated like a just a a guy you’d interview on your Twitter show, like anything else?
  • Speaker 1
    0:47:00

    I just I just don’t I don’t know what to say about that. I don’t know a way to see that, which isn’t I don’t know. What do you guys got?
  • Speaker 3
    0:47:09

    Well, I’m looking forward to the interview and Tucker’s preview used the word invasion. He I mean, he used word invade. He said, we don’t know why we haven’t he hasn’t been asked why he invaded or whatever. So he’s gonna ask him that. But Tucker’s been trying to interview Putin since before he invaded Ukraine.
  • Speaker 3
    0:47:31

    And Tucker is a close friend of Donald Trump’s and advisors of Donald Trump’s it makes me very uncomfortable that he’s going over to give this interview to Putin before Putin’s election. And he knew when he said that that other people are trying to interview Putin all the time, and he knows that people who try to do real reporting on Putin and his motives for invading Ukraine get thrown out of windows I mean, topper’s a smart guy. He is my friend, just like he’s JBL’s friend. How how are we gonna describe this JBL? Like, friend, I mean
  • Speaker 1
    0:48:12

    I know.
  • Speaker 3
    0:48:13

    It’s just very it’s very distressing, and I I, again, really hope that I’m gonna watch this unedited video of him asking the questions that should be asked. But we’ll see.
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:30

    Yeah. Well, sometimes people you’re once friends would end up doing very bad and evil things. I mean, you know, great best some mass murders also had friends beforehand and not all just psychopaths. You know, it’s not it’s not as if there that, human nature is not like that. People are not just two dimensional.
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:47

    And, what A Tucker is doing right now is very evil, and I don’t have a personal relationship with him. So I don’t I I don’t feel at all conflicted about that. To me, what is more, alarming is like everybody’s okay with it? Not everybody not like Democrats, but like, you know, there’s a small handful of people, on the right who are criticizing him. There are some, you know, you see some on on, but I What is Paul gossette?
  • Speaker 2
    0:49:17

    The
  • Speaker 1
    0:49:17

    The peep no. I’m serious about this. Like, the people at the Wall Street Journal who Yeah. Whose colleague is in jail. What do they have to say?
  • Speaker 3
    0:49:24

    We’re waiving anything? We’re waiting. Or they both, like, you
  • Speaker 1
    0:49:26

    know, turning their toe in the dirt and, you know, I can’t can’t really say anything that that delicate situation with Fox and
  • Speaker 2
    0:49:34

    even if some of them say something, it’s like, I I guess I was speaking more about at the broadest level that his fans Donald Trump’s fans, millions upon millions of people are just kind of like, yeah, I’ve, like, just kind of going along. Like, they’re like, yeah, that makes, you know, for every person that is watching that Tucker video of him explaining why he’s doing it and being like, are you insane? Ever Scripts is in prison. Valle Putin is a mass murderer. People are trying to stall the truth out of them.
  • Speaker 2
    0:50:02

    There there are not there’s another maybe almost equal group of people that are nodding. I’m going, yeah, you’re right. People aren’t telling both sides of this story. The the deep state and the elites really are have been spinning this for Zelensky. And and there you there was there always was gonna be, you know, a small minority of people who whatever, you know, do apologia for any awful thing, but the scale of it is the is the real alarming thing to me.
  • Speaker 3
    0:50:28

    I also wanna say that remember how many Americans are getting their information from social media only and are hoovering a lot of just, you know, poison misinformation, disinformation, And they’re not checking their facts and they actually are not gonna hear they’re they’re not gonna have have read a lot of Zelensky interviews before they stumble upon Tucker’s reach is so massive. I mean, my kids’ friends you know, my son’s friends think Tucker is the truth teller. I mean, he, you know, he has a massive and growing following of people who will be influenced by the interview and then what to process about it afterwards. Who are not sitting around doing their research on Vladimir Putin. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:51:25

    Can I just say on that point? Are you right, AB? People are lot of bad information. The COVID situation, it’s like, we have a novel virus. There’s a lot, like, people are trying to learn on the fly.
  • Speaker 2
    0:51:35

    The people who are trying to do their best did some raw made some mistakes at the start. Right? Like I said there’s I’m open to this right idea that people are getting bad information and they’re con and and and they’re susceptible to this. Like Vladimir Putin just invaded a country and started bombing it. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:51:50

    It’s not it’s not as if there was like some kerfuffle. Like they didn’t even do the whole, like, you know, when we those at the beginning where it’s like, oh, Putin’s gonna do a false flag. And there’s gonna be some bomb in Moscow, and he’s gonna pretend like it’s the Ukrainians. Like they didn’t even do that. I I Russia just invaded another country and started bombing people and kidnapping the children and and raising cities.
  • Speaker 2
    0:52:11

    And so it’s like, What what research do you need to do to do your own research crowd? Like, this is a thing that happened. What man is
  • Speaker 1
    0:52:19

    in this war?
  • Speaker 3
    0:52:20

    Yeah. I I’m sorry, you guys. Just remember there are a lot of, young people who have been told that Biden starts proxy wars, and do not remember what happened on February twenty fourth of twenty twenty two.
  • Speaker 2
    0:52:33

    Well, that’s great.
  • Speaker 1
    0:52:33

    God help us.
  • Speaker 2
    0:52:35

    That’s just good stuff.
  • Speaker 1
    0:52:37

    Well, that was another great episode. I can imagine that if you are in the DC area on February twenty third, twenty fourth, or twenty fifth, would wanna come in and hang out with the three of us.
  • Speaker 2
    0:52:47

    I’m actually not gonna be there. No worries. I’m gonna be under watching the death of Nikki in South Carolina. The rest of the board crew will be there. I’m gonna miss it.
  • Speaker 2
    0:52:55

    Love Heath. I love many people principals first, and I encourage people to go. It will be more uplifting. And, you know, I’m gonna do my I’m gonna I’m getting into deep draw this weekend. So, I think there’s a lot of there are a lot of ways as you pointed out, JVL, there’s a lot of ways to enrich your life.
  • Speaker 2
    0:53:10

    You know, there are good books out there. Should be a real good football game this weekend. Maybe Travis and Taylor will get engaged at the end of the game. Maybe the Chiefs win and and have Tay Traff. And and, you know, there’s a lot of interesting gambling you can do on, like, kind of what Top Taylor’s gonna wear, and whether he proposes, and that’s that’s good.
  • Speaker 2
    0:53:31

    We’re gonna have joy filled parades that I can we can attend with our families this weekend. You know, so there’s a lot of there’s a lot of stuff in life. Spiritual
  • Speaker 3
    0:53:41

    fulfillment? I wish I had known that you were in pre grove with and that I I really should have worn some beads just to to feel just just to be I wish I was like in purple beads while I said all this depressing.
  • Speaker 1
    0:53:57

    So it’s
  • Speaker 2
    0:53:58

    a little contrast between the sartorial and the verbal. You know, the the beginning here.
  • Speaker 3
    0:54:03

    And I love and I love deep like, I’ve learned something new today and deep draws. Like, I love that so much. That’s gonna actually lighten up the rest of my week.
  • Speaker 2
    0:54:11

    Great. It should.
  • Speaker 1
    0:54:13

    AB. Thanks for sitting in for Sarah Longwell keeping her seat warm. Always. Guys, next week, Tim takes over the Bulwark flagship podcast. It’s gonna be amazing.
  • Speaker 1
    0:54:22

    Secret Podcast, not going anywhere. Tim is gonna be sitting here. He’s gotta pull double duty on Wednesdays. Double headers every Wednesday for him. Don’t worry.
  • Speaker 2
    0:54:31

    I got this. It’s going anywhere. I got this. I’m gonna let the interview each take the weights on Wednesdays, you know. I’m gonna dial it back.
  • Speaker 2
    0:54:37

    I’m gonna save all my all my good ups for you guys.
  • Speaker 1
    0:54:41

    Alright, everybody. We’ll catch you next week. Bye.
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