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The Traveling Circus of Nutjobs (with Sonny Bunch)

November 30, 2022
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Trump’s dinner from hell with anti-semites has more republicans questioning his judgement … again. Plus, are Never-Trump Republicans obligated to back DeSantis? Sonny Bunch joins Sarah and Tim to discuss!

Sonny’s awards movie recommendations:

TÁRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na6gA1RehsU

ATHENAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRunUkdkK8s

Top Gun: Maverickhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giXco2jaZ_4

Elvishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBDLRvjHVOY

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    introduced you yet. But if we are, today’s last day. And so if you are not a member of Bullor plus, let’s do it eight dollars. That’s a good deal. You can yell on us in the comments.
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    All the time. We have a very active comment section, and you get some secret podcasts that I’m not on as well. And if you are a member of board plus, you know, give the gift of of never Trump cuckish holiday spirit to a friend or a loved one this year, and and give the gift of Bullard Plus. So Today’s pod, you might notice, if you’re watching on video, is my best, very old, long time friend, much longer than she’s been friends with JBL. Sarah Longwell, Publisher of The Bullwarts.
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    Sure, Sarah. What’s up man?
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    And our other cohost today is Sunny Bunch. In for JV has got
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    the
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    sniffles, like, yes. I don’t know. He’s he called in a little sick. I don’t know. He’s had not sure how bad it was, but he wasn’t he wasn’t gonna gut it out like Sarah did last week.
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    So JBL is on the bench, no willows rate for him, and Sunny has graciously been willing to be torn away from there’s some kind of athletic endeavor that is happening right now, I guess. I I was not even aware of until Sunny mentioned it and then I started getting a lot of
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    texts from people. I don’t I don’t understand with you. I don’t even know what’s happening. What is it? Well well, if if the United States manages to get through to the knockout round, it will be solely because you ripped me away from the TV’s green.
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    It’s
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    like kind of a reverse jinx type situation? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I’m I guess, I will say, I’d learned enough in the two minutes before search before getting on this podcast to know that I think I’m rooting for Iran.
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    The Iranian soccer gentleman seemed very handsome, and they were they were protesting their government they’re protesting their evil government, which I appreciated. And They’re barely protesting government. They didn’t sing. Come on. There wasn’t enough of protest.
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    I
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    guess mostly they’re not taking And they’re not kneeling. They’re not taking a knee. I would love to That was how we I thought that was how we had to protest all governments. Do you take the knee? That’s a
  • Speaker 3
    0:03:22

    great point. If they took a knee out before them, I’d mostly, I just am tired of getting the texts from people like Yay. And for I am just having them pretend like they care about the the soccer match, which I don’t think that any of my friends actually do. So there’s that. But so we’ll move on from that.
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    0:03:38

    I’m sorry if I offended any of our very passionate fans of European football who listen to this podcast. And we I wanna start today since JBL’s out. I’m in I’m running the show here. So I thought I don’t know. We I figured we’d just pull up the bulwark dot com and maybe decide to to talk about whatever the lead article is today.
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    Who’s that one by? Oh, Tim Miller. This one looks good. A letter to the Ron DeSantis fanboys from a real Never Trumper. The backstory on this is I’ve got very tired already where it’s very early in the in the process.
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    Donald Trump just announced what? Two, three weeks ago he’s running for president. And I’m already being lectured by Ron DeSantis supporters about how I need to get on board with their man, Ron, if I wanna be a real true Scotsman and a true never jumper. And I couldn’t handle one more person telling me to do that. And so I wrote them a nice letter letting them know how I planned to engage in the twenty twenty four campaign with regard to their man Ron DeSantis.
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    0:04:36

    If you haven’t had a chance to read it, the gist of it is. I find them to be utterly contemptible, and I should not be expected to do anything to actually prop up someone that ran the creepiest Television advertisement in history in support of America’s worst president besides what I asked of everyone else. Which is if it comes down to it and if my vote is the one that matters, I would vote for a Mercedes over Donald Trump. I would not write in Edmund Burke. If it did come to that, I would be willing to do that.
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    And as a bonus, I will be willing to compliment Ron DeSantis if he ever shows even a Centila of balls.
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    And
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    criticises Donald Trump, which to my estimation, he’s not done a single time, not even when he tried to overthrow the world’s longest running democracy. So that’s I I thought that was a fair offer to put on the table. I’ve not heard any of them accept it yet. I don’t know if they want my support. For their candidate.
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    But guys, what did you think? I know Sarah probably hasn’t read it, Sunny, neither of you probably have read it. So based on that description, what did you what do you think about my my offer.
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    I read it. I tweeted it. Also, Sunny, welcome to Tim hosting. I don’t know. You don’t know.
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    I could play the best here. He’s he’s got it. He will talk the whole time. How
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    many minutes are we in?
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    I’m gonna turn the game back on. I’ll be right back.
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    I read it. I tweeted it But, Sunny, if you’d like to take your first crack, I have strong feelings on this, but you go ahead.
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    Well, I I have strong feelings as well, but feeling number one is shouldn’t all of the Ron DeSantis fans want you personally, Tim Miller, to slag Ron DeSantis, because that is, like, the best case scenario for Ron DeSantis. Right? Like the best case scenario for Ron DeSantis — I see him. — is to have Tim Miller out there every day saying, I hate this guy. I don’t like him.
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    He’s not my kind of Republican. No, Ron DeSantis. I mean, that that is I mean, that’s the reverse bank shot, you know, super super super double probation. Game here. Right?
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    Isn’t that isn’t that how you should be playing if you want Rhonda Santos to win?
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    You would think that, but that’s not as satisfying to allow me to do that. Is part of a triple bank shot as it is to insult me and say that I’m a gifter or whatnot.
  • Speaker 2
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    Well, that’s also yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Insulting to Miller.
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    So insulting me was better for around to Santa’s people. Then, yeah, I agree with you. They should not. They should wanna run an ad of that intro. That five minute intro would be a long expensive ad that I just gave talk king about how dareable and contemptible I find around the Sandoz, that’d be something that I think would do would help him probably in a Republican primary in South Carolina.
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    They could run it on news max. But no, they’re not doing that. Sarah, what was your reaction?
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    The thing is, is that the anti antiists, they really want to box us at Endoscientists because they think it gives them sort of a moral upper hand by saying, see, you’re just against every Republican. You weren’t just about Trump. You guys are just people who wanna go after all these Republicans and and, you know, Ron DeSantis is obviously better than Trump. And here’s what I I agree with you. Ron DeSantis is better than Trump.
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    And in this particular way, Donald Trump tried to coup. Rhonda Santos does not try to coup. Therefore, Rhonda Santos at this moment is currently preferable to Donald Trump. That being said, the idea of forcing us into a binary right now in this moment, a mere two weeks after Donald Trump’s fall, his election deniers went down in flames, all of whom Rhonda Santos campaigned for. He campaigned hard for Kerry Lake he stumped with Doug Mastriano, which by the way
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    is actually — Doug Mastriano.
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    — did not. Like most of the Republicans didn’t go so far as to go stump with Mastriano. But DeSantis did. Because DeSantis is quite gross. And when you say Selena
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    Zito is out there running Josh Shapiro fan columnist. And and Ron DeSantis is even bucking that. Yeah. And
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    what I liked about your pieces, I think you identified why it is so important to this crowd of people. That DeSantis be somebody they can support. Right? It gives them away. This is this is the difference in the environments.
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    Like, I think this is is there is a positive thing and it is important dynamic shift, where for the last seven years, the anti sort of maybe Trump energy has had nowhere to go. And as a result, it’s basically just pinged at us. Right? It’s like, they calibrate. They’ve had a special potion.
  • Speaker 4
    0:08:45

    Some little mumber things they put there. They they get something into a little, like, a calculation about how many times they need to kick us. So that they can have, like, one criticism of Trump, right, to make sure that they’re on side, on the team. Desantis, right now, like, this is a good day these are good days for them because they can both be four desantis. They can also be against Trump because you right now, you can be against Trump because you are protein.
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    I am pro Republicans. I am pro winning Donald Trump has lost three times. You hear this. This is Mitt Romney. This is where everybody is right now because they could Mitt was
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    a little better. No. Mitt
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    is better. I don’t I just mean, I heard him come out and say this. Thing about the losing. Right? Lots of people they have a lot more to say about Trump as the person who has lost three times in a row than they do about Trump the coo man.
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    Yeah. Sure.
  • Speaker 4
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    All of that is bad because it indicates a real rot, but it is also good to have affirmative anti Trump energy out there from all of these people and we should encourage that. But what I won’t do is play the game where like I have to be for Rhonda Santos as my way of being against Donald Trump. I CAN BE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP, AS WELL AS THE FORCES HE HAS UNLEASHED ON THE PARTY WHICH RONDYS IS ONE OF THE MAIN MANUFASTATIONS. Right? He’s one of the main manifestations of a the combative style of politics that people now crave.
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    Because of Trump, he imitates him. He’s a simulacrum. The ad you’re referring to is one in which he is with his small children. His baby is in a Trump onesie. He is reading the art of the deal to his baby son, he is building a wall out of blocks with his daughter.
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    It is the grossest, most insane thing I’ve ever seen. I remember not knowing who he was and seeing that commercial and being like, what lunatic is this. And so
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    Rumor. You’re a groomer. Yeah.
  • Speaker 4
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    So listen, if Trump is as weak right now, if he is weak enough that armed scientists can really challenge him, then he is weak enough that better Republicans than Rhonda Santos can also challenge him. This
  • Speaker 3
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    is okay. So this is where I want Sonny’s take on this. Look, this is my this is my short key point. Which is, you know, I hear I hear you. They’re they’re all saying, oh, well, if you really hate Donald Trump so much, we don’t wanna redo what happened in twenty sixteen.
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    We a bunch of people dividing up the field and allowing Trump to sneak through. And, like, there’s something to be said for that even though Trump won a bare majority almost and twenty sixteen. So I I just had a lot of evidence that was actually the reason that Trump won, I think, that he put order one head to head against any of the umpteen people that he ran against, but but there is a circumstance where dividing the fields could help down trouble. You wouldn’t you wouldn’t want that. K?
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    But that’s a calculation for like fall twenty twenty three.
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    Yes. Right?
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    When the polls are out and stuff. Like, we don’t know. If Donald Trump, they’re simultaneously saying Donald Trump is so weak. That he has cost us all of these easily to win elections. And he’s down there Mar a Lago desperately sucking up to a teenage white nationalist and nobody likes him anymore.
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    And all of his momentum is gone, and he’s a big fat loser. And so our only choice is to hand it over to his number one ball fluffer. You know, as his successor. To me, that does make any sense. I think that that’s probably true.
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    Right? It’s probably true that Ron DeSantis is the best case position person to win a Republican primary against him based on what you’ve had done in the focus groups and all that. But like history is contingent. Who the fuck knows what happens in the next year? Donald Trump is unraveling before our eyes.
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    Right? Is it not possible to Brian Kemp or Isa Hutchinson? Two, like, strong social conservatives. It very much in the mold of of people that have won Republican primaries in the past, people that just won somebody just won a competitive primary in Georgia could not conceivably win a primary. Somebody that has just like has acted with one Iota of decency.
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    Is that not possible? We have to the national review has to fucking scare those people off already at Thanksgiving of twenty twenty two. Like, no, fuck to you. Fuck that. No, am I wrong?
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    Sunny. Well, I I I mean, I understand your point in theory. I think in practice look, I’ll play I’ll play the Charles CW Cook
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    role.
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    On this on this show. Do I like Charles Do you have
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    an accent? Can you do it in an accent? I I
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:49

    I’m not gonna I’m not gonna do that. I’m not going to do that. You would have to get me in front of a British person for about five minutes for me to slip back into my British accent. But I I will play devil’s advocate here in the sense that one hundred percent you’re right. It’s entirely possible that any manner of things could happen to Donald Trump over the the next, you know, eighteen months that radically reduces his support within the party.
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    That said, he is still he has a nub thirty five percent rump part of the party that will always be with him. Pretty
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    big rum.
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    And the trick is to find somebody else who can get you know, what, forty percent of the vote to get everybody else. And if that’s what if if all we’re trying to do is find the guy who can get the forty percent, they can get the rest of everybody else to coalesce around him. That’s very clearly Rhonda Santos right now. Like, I love Larry Hogan. Larry Hogan should not run for for the GOP nomination.
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    0:13:40

    I didn’t
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    0:13:41

    suggest Larry Hogan, though. Brian kept just one sixty percent in a in a Georgia governor’s primary. Asa Hutchinson was the head of the NRA. Brian Kemp would be great. I I Brian Kemp seems like a seems like a great guy
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:52

    would would happily support him. Asa Hutchinson, I like, you know, you’ve you’ve run campaigns. You’ve you’ve been on campaigns. You know how this sort of thing works. A lot of losing campaigns.
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    0:14:03

    Yeah. You have to coalesce support early around a person to line up fundraising. To line up constituents, to line up endorsements. You you have to get those people early, get other people out of the race, get everybody behind, one guy. And the sooner you do that, the better you the better shot you have at winning, unless you have a force of personality like Donald Trump who can just kind of bowl over all of that.
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    Is
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    0:14:24

    that true anymore though Joe Biden was right place, right time? Had no support, no money, no anything. And going into the South Carolina primary, he was dead except for he had black people, older black people, and James Clyburn, like, carried him to to a win at the he was in the right place at the right time. I just we don’t know this. If you’re trying to lecture me as an ever jumper and get me to suck it up and support somebody that I don’t love everything about them and say, we have to all coalesce you have to create this big coalition from the never jumper all the way over to the soft maggos, then, okay, at least try to sell me on somebody that did not run a Donald Trump dickens campaign.
  • Speaker 3
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    And, like, that it it is not, like, literally imitating Donald Trump’s mannerisms and his entire political ideology. Like, give me some you have to give me something in this deal. If you’re saying, oh, no, you don’t get anything, then, okay, then that’s fine. I don’t get anything. I’ll go I’ll go be for Joe Biden.
  • Speaker 3
    0:15:15

    That’s fine. I I get nothing. Alright? So so you go you do Donald Trump number two, and and good luck. We have to separate out being the primary from the
  • Speaker 2
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    general. Don’t think there’s any contradiction between being four Rhonda Santos in the primary and then voting for Joe Biden in the general. I
  • Speaker 4
    0:15:29

    think that’s right. I do think that’s true. I think you can play this game in stages, and I think for people in never Trump world, we will play this game in stages. Right? Because I I am in anybody but Trump camp.
  • Speaker 4
    0:15:40

    So anyway, I I agree with this comment. No. No. No. No.
  • Speaker 4
    0:15:43

    You would but here’s where I disagree with a study on that. You have to consolidate early. I don’t think that’s true. Here’s the thing, and this is where I would push back on Sonny in a totally different way. Doing the focus groups, Rhonda Santos, with a bullet.
  • Speaker 4
    0:15:56

    First name, Trump doesn’t run do you wanna see Ron? Rhonda Sanchez, he’s got the highest name ID. Besides, I guess, Mike Pence, but nobody wants to see Mike Pence run, although I guess he’s going to. By the way, that’s gonna be an interesting dynamic. Literally no one asking for this race, but a thousand reporters call me doing profiles because his team relentlessly tells them there’s a path.
  • Speaker 4
    0:16:14

    I don’t know what it is. But anyway, I am not convinced that Rhonda Santos is a good or talented politician. I am not convinced at all that Rhonda Santos when faced with Donald Trump doesn’t he has got an notoriously glass jaw, he is apparently bad with donors. I I don’t know if you watched his debate with Charlie Crist. But, like, he looks physically uncomfortable the whole time.
  • Speaker 4
    0:16:39

    He smiles awkwardly. Like and so why do people like him? People like him because over the pandemic, they thought he was the one that you would constantly see YouTube clips of like yelling at teenagers and masks, yelling at the media, yelling at Disney, calling people groomers, That allows it’s really a spokesperson, but he’s got that energy and so people see clips of that and they like that. That is a very shallow superficial sense of who Rhonda Santos is. And I think that’s the kind of Scott Walker early energy or even know if and, like, Jabberly, they can, like, fall apart really fast.
  • Speaker 4
    0:17:11

    I just think, like, we don’t know these candidates very well. And, like, look, I think that Nikki Haley has been a totally pathetic nothing but like she’s now gonna run. If you’re thinking about the degrees of badness, Nikki Haley to me is more acceptable than Rhonda Santos. And so, like, I wanna be for the most viable candidate who can defeat Trump, who’s the furthest away from Trump. And who they are.
  • Speaker 4
    0:17:36

    And like, I’m waiting for that. And I I will do what I can to manifest that. Since there is out there
  • Speaker 3
    0:17:41

    just like at the end of Cochella, just kinda lining up the urinals for me and just having me, like, walking like, lining up the porta potties and just having me walk in there and try and sniff each one of them and term and which one is the least least offensive before I decided I have to lose now for for twelve months. And I don’t I don’t enjoy I don’t enjoy this process. I guess is what I’m saying, but sure. I guess that that Nicki’s porta potty smells slightly worse than runs. For me as well.
  • Speaker 4
    0:18:11

    Slightly less bad. You mean? Slightly
  • Speaker 3
    0:18:13

    less bad. Yeah. Thank you. Slightly less bad than Ron. I’m trying
  • Speaker 4
    0:18:16

    to follow your
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    0:18:17

    announcement. You had to get through the whole thing. I was like, is he getting the urinal tested to go in it. I don’t understand what’s happening.
  • Speaker 3
    0:18:24

    They all smell that as the short of the metaphor. Point being, Ron DeSantis is awful. He’s done nothing that would appeal to somebody like me. I obviously won’t like anyone like him. And I and I don’t wanna be lectured by anyone about the fact that never Trump is and requires supporting a Trump clone who like who’s actually been much meaner to gays than Trump ever was.
  • Speaker 3
    0:18:44

    Just as a nice little side bonus. So I’m I’m a hard no, though. I will if fifteen days is what I’m saying. Fifteen days before the California primary, I will have to reread distur, and I will do that. I will not do a Ben Sasse, swear on the article, I will not wait until afterwards and say, oh, by the way, I phoned it for an Endo Santos.
  • Speaker 3
    0:19:01

    Fifteen days before the California primary, if it’s only DeSantis or Trump and they’re having a battle of the titans, ish, and and it’s a close race. I will do it. I will do it. I’ll write an article for the bulwark dot com that says, I hate Ron DeSantis, but I’m I will vote for him because he’s better than Donald Trump. But I just don’t understand what what like, why at Thanksgiving of twenty twenty two?
  • Speaker 3
    0:19:25

    Anybody needs to do that or understand this might totally flame out. Donald Trump might totally flame out. There’s a year and a half left. Who the fuck about? Will happen.
  • Speaker 3
    0:19:33

    I I I do not believe that whoever it will be. I’m not under the false impression. I listen to Sarah’s focus groups that, like, I will like the Republican nominee which way for, but I also will not be berated into into thinking that it’s inevitably has to be Ron DeSantis, which is just the most convenient thing possible for Charlie Cook, which I understand. Yeah. I
  • Speaker 4
    0:19:55

    mean, I’m embarrassed for these people who carried all this water for Trump and now think that, like, they have some moral high ground with the DeSantis thing. Like, it’s a ridiculous argument. The the that national review piece where it was like, talking about how terrible Trump was and why people needed to move on for him. I was like, boy, this guy sounds bad. Sounds like anybody who carried water for this guy should probably probably get their
  • Speaker 3
    0:20:15

    judgment changed. And I hated one other thing, one other right, just because this is a Sarah Longwell Suckup. The other thing that I hate about these fuckers is is that I have to get lecture out, oh, well, you just want us to be Democrats. You just want us to vote for a Democrat. Bullshit.
  • Speaker 3
    0:20:27

    There were a ton of options to get rid of Donald Trump. That that where the option was a Republican. Where Sarah was out there leading the fight. We could have impeached and convicted his ass and had Mike Pence the president the first time. They could have impeached and convicted his ass and hadn’t been gone and had Rhonda Santos at, like, seventy percent, the twenty twenty four primaries right now.
  • Speaker 3
    0:20:46

    They could have recruited a better challenger in the twenty twenty primary. That was probably a loser, but we really didn’t know at that time. Like, that it could have been better. Sarah went out there and tried to recruit a primary. They all fucking sat on their ass and ran ran cover for Trump and just like would write one mean blog post from time to time.
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    0:21:01

    So I I had to take off my beanie. I’m getting it’s just it it gets me hot. Get I
  • Speaker 4
    0:21:06

    just I just wanna say as a closing of this before we move on. The the the the the accusation that is the stupidest is the idea to, like, we wanna keep Trump around. Like, I can’t tell you how much. I mean, I
  • Speaker 3
    0:21:15

    want him to die so bad.
  • Speaker 4
    0:21:17

    He’s known how much I want him to die.
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    0:21:19

    I’m
  • Speaker 4
    0:21:19

    not. I I as a Broward Sheriff’s whether it’s you, whether it’s JVL, I do not wish death on people, don’t wanna strap anybody or rockets. But I want Donald Trump and all of his forces eliminated from the Earth. And have no interest in him sticking around. And I like Tim and what will go on the record saying that if I’m given a binary choice, I will do what it takes to defeat Trump.
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    0:21:39

    I will vote for Rhonda Santos. I will support him in a primary. Does not mean I will support him in a general election.
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    0:21:44

    This is what I find so kind of annoying and masturbatory about this whole conversation is that I think that’s true for literally everybody at the bulwark. I think everyone I I don’t think a single person here would would refuse to vote for Ron DeSantis if that was the choice. If that’s, like, alright, it’s DeSantis or Trump. While I understand the argument that we have to get behind DeSantis now because It’s it’s also you’re right. I mean, it is again, I was playing devil’s advocate or, like, it is still it is way too early.
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    0:22:10

    There’s no reason there’s no reason to shut down all of these other options. And if, you know, Brian Kemp decides to get into it and people are able to to support the, you know, cut sellout, you know, who threw Trump under the bus and whatever. Okay, great. I don’t know. I mean, we’ll we’ll see.
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    And
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    0:22:29

    speak of my last one and speak of masturbatory? Not only do does our opinion not matter one bit to JBL’s try out today about how it’s a pop it’s a populist party now and their Republican voters are in charge. But the national views people don’t don’t matter one bit. And if you look at that Emerson poll, the JBL put in that triad, which I recommend every reads. It said, I think seventy nine percent of good memory.
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    0:22:50

    I think seventy nine percent of Republicans that poll said that they see themselves as Maga. At some level or no, they seem to lose
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    0:22:56

    mega. So even
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    0:22:57

    let’s say it’s a little high margin of barrel, it’s called seventy
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    percent. This is
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    0:23:01

    an argument between thirty percent. Like, this is an argument within the within the thirty percent. It’s not an argument within the people that even have a plurality power to actually win a primary. And so You know, so it’s a total just circle jerk of of people that don’t matter and of know and will have very little influence at the end of the day over who is actually the Republican to quote to
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    0:23:21

    quote somebody else that’s not my party. Right? Like, this is, like, the the GOP not not really my party anymore. And, like, I I still probably support Republicans on seventy percent to eighty percent of policy things. But, like, the the twenty and thirty percent is real is real hard for me.
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    0:23:38

    And the other things they care
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    0:23:39

    the most about Yes.
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    0:23:40

    Yeah. It’s a twenty
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    0:23:41

    percent of the things that most of our Polycoms get those. Okay. Sunny, any final thoughts before we start talking about your bedroom life? What? I do wanna start getting into what’s happening in the bedroom for you.
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    0:23:50

    Well, I would like to ask you a little bit. Welcome to
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    0:23:54

    the next level. This this
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    0:23:55

    holiday season, you know, we are talking a lot about gifts and gift exchanges. And I I wasn’t really planning on getting you anything. But one thing that came to mind is, what what what are you doing in your sheets? What’s your sheet situation? Is it like a sandpaper?
  • Speaker 3
    0:24:08

    Is it a Walmart purchased brand? What how you is it still the sheets you have from college? Got got the target sheets, I guess? Still
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    0:24:17

    got the
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    0:24:17

    target sheets. Have you been listening to the next level? Have you been listening at all to JVL talking about the supple sheets that he’s sleeping on?
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    0:24:25

    You know, JBL has a lot of proclivities that I don’t know necessarily subscribe to. So I I’d rather get Tim’s take. Let
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    0:24:31

    me tell you. I’m fancy, but I’m also lazy. And and so I, like Sarah, had long you know, had some sheets that’d been around for a while. Okay? I hadn’t really upped my sheet game that much as an adult was sticking with the ones that, you know, my mother probably bought for me when she came to furnish my home on one of the campaigns.
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    0:24:55

    And and I’m sure those were fine. But let me tell you when I got my Bolen branch sheets, boy. Big upgrade. Big upgrade. We’re a few months in now, and and the sheets just keep getting better.
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    0:25:07

    I had to go. I was I went to see some I saw some board people in New Hampshire in Massachusetts and did a book tour. I don’t know if you know that I wrote a book. And stopping in a few colleges and they put me in some some hotels. Oh, is that a true Hilton?
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    0:25:21

    They
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    need some
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    0:25:22

    work on their sheets. Okay. Big downgrade from the bald branch. Very noticeable. It was impacting my sleep.
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    0:25:28

    So I just think something maybe a gift for yourself, maybe a gift for your wife, maybe you could put it on your list. I don’t know. Do you guys do secret Santos in the bunches? Do you do a secret Santa? Sunny, here’s a
  • Speaker 4
    0:25:38

    great idea. Get it as a gift for your wife, but it’s also a gift for yourself. Well,
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    0:25:41

    yeah, I I don’t
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    0:25:42

    know. Do you do secret Santa in your house I don’t the secret sand is like a thing you do it. We just think, you
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    0:25:47

    know,
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    0:25:47

    like my brothers and my parents and my in lot. Like, we do it the adults, so we don’t buy don’t buy a present. I don’t buy a present for my mom and my dad and my two brothers and my sister-in-law and my brother’s boyfriend. Right? I just we we just be among the adults, we do see with Santos.
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    0:26:00

    We just buy one good gift for the other adults. Is that not how you guys do it? No. That’s not how we
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    0:26:05

    do it. You gotta buy for
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    0:26:06

    everybody.
  • Speaker 4
    0:26:06

    I love all of my family members. Not just the name that gets
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    0:26:10

    picked up. They’re all
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    0:26:11

    getting sheets. They’re all getting there. And you have many more presence to buy. So what I recommend to you, some Bolen brand sheets, it helped it has helped me, get a better night sleep. I do have to tell you that.
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    0:26:23

    And right now, you can get twenty five percent off. Site wide plus free shipping when you use the promo code next level at bolen branch dot com. Give a better night’s sleep to everyone on your list with bolen branch sheets. That’s bolen branch b o l l a n d branch dot com promo code next level offer ends December fourth. I wanna move on from sheets to nazis.
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    0:26:47

    How’s that?
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    0:26:48

    Great transition. Very smooth.
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    0:26:50

    Thank you. I’m a I’m a I’m not like Charlie. I don’t know if it’s been that many years under my belt as far as the nice transitions in radio, but it’s pretty good. I’m
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    0:26:58

    sure both of Earth is really happy that you just went right from there. To the Nazis. I’m
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    0:27:04

    sure that they but there’s a contrast. Very strong. It’s a very strong contrast. The app portion of this podcast is over that way.
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    0:27:14

    Yeah.
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    0:27:14

    Sheets. Okay. Sheets good. Not these dots. Down.
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    0:27:18

    So next one is I wanna partially, it’s noteworthy to back to our DeSantis conversation that that somehow Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy, even Josh Holly, though it was really a bad condemnation. Grand Kemp, Mike Pence, somehow all these people have been able to say, you know what? Dinner with Nazis. Not great for me. Don’t think we should be doing that?
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    0:27:40

    Probably, if I had my choice to have a dinner with a Nazi or not have a dinner with a Nazi, I would not have done
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    0:27:45

    it. It seems like a low
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    0:27:46

    bar, Ron DeSantis. I haven’t
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    0:27:49

    heard anything from him on
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    0:27:50

    that front even though the Nazi dinner did happen in his state. So I think that’s something that’s telling when you when you think about forcing me and just porting around the scientists. But I’m wondering what you guys think. And my main takeaway is that I have a takeaway and then a question. The takeaway is, this is way worse than people realize.
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    0:28:06

    Like, this is literally like George W. Bush having or Bill Clinton having dinner with David Duke. When they after their finishing president. Nick Fuentes is ridiculous, but he’s the most prominent, really, white nationalist leader. I hate to even use our leader, but whatever, head of group in the country right now.
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    0:28:23

    And it is fucking insane and outrageous that a former president would let this person have dinner with them and then not full throatedly if it wasn’t actually an accident which is absurd, like, full throatedly condemn it. And make very clear that this person is fucking Nazi scrum. So that’s one. It’s worse than people think. And and the second question though is, okay, given that, what do we do about it?
  • Speaker 3
    0:28:45

    I I do feel a little gross about giving this little twat the attention that he wants. So what what did your take on those two points, Sarah? So
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    0:28:54

    the first thing, I just wanna say this dinner, I I I haven’t quite maybe you can tell me so Kanye brought Nick Fuentes. Right?
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    0:29:01

    Yeah. Yep. So
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    0:29:02

    Kanye, I presume so Kanye goes there, and I actually think this part is funny. Kanye went there to invite Trump to be Kanye’s vice president. K? So, like, think about the think about the term uncertainty
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    0:29:17

    on the ticket. Think about the
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    0:29:18

    term document of absurdity. This is, like, this whole thing. Is. And and so Kanye’s there brings us what Kanye new to the very outspoken anti semite community having some sort of a mental break with reality, but also infused with a great deal of antisemitism, finds another antisemite who I don’t understand
  • Speaker 1
    0:29:39

    having a
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    0:29:40

    black friend because I don’t think that’s how this works, but this is part of the way weird way these guys sort of hide their whole white supremacy thing is they are they they they make bonds with other anti semites, I guess. K? Because, you know, also, Nick Went has is doesn’t think women should
  • Speaker 1
    0:29:56

    have to be black. What?
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    0:29:58

    There’s a little Slack.
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    0:29:58

    What do you mean?
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    0:30:00

    Antisemitism, Slack, and it’s gonna add a con Oh,
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    0:30:02

    I thought you started sending me a message in a Slack. That’s
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    0:30:06

    not a commune. But also
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    0:30:07

    like Nick Fuentes doesn’t think women should have the right to vote. He’s advocated beating women, brutality against women. But Marjorie Taylor Green speaks at his white supremacist conference as does you know, mentally unstable man, but Republican and good standing congressman Polkosar. Anyway, so, like, it feels like this was Kanye’s sort of setting Trump up a little bit. But, of course, the Trump, for his part, Trump is happy right now to consolidate the queuing ons, the anti semites, the fringe oathkeeper, Chris, because he is trying to hold on to a base of voters.
  • Speaker 4
    0:30:42

    Right? And if you can get, you
  • Speaker 1
    0:30:43

    know, it’s
  • Speaker 4
    0:30:44

    not like, it QAnon is pretty fringe, maybe the, like, really engaged anti semi white nationalists or kind of fringe, Like, add them all up. And, you know, maybe you can get to about twenty, twenty five percent, which is, you know, he’s trying to hold on to everybody he can right now. To me, what’s interesting is the way people kinda go through their motions. Right? So Donald Trump’s motion is to try to do the most outlandish thing he can continue to, like you know, it’s just Mexicans or thieves and rapists.
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    0:31:13

    You know, he’s he’s been doing this. This it is shocking the way so many of these things are, but, like, he’s also been this guy for a long time. You know, stand back and stand by. Dude is bad. Dude is racist.
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    0:31:24

    Dude is happy to dine with other racist, outspoken racist. But then, like, the little like, the the sort of the way that people go through the motions on the con condemnations. They’re like these little press release condemnations. Like, mostly what Republicans are still doing is trying to ignore Trump. Right?
  • Speaker 4
    0:31:38

    They’re, like, ignoring the insanity of his existence. Because, like Mitch McConnell condemned said there’s no room in the Republican Party. For anti semitism and people who, like, what something like support anti semites or so I she says something he didn’t say dying with, but he didn’t say Trump’s name. Right? These
  • Speaker 1
    0:31:57

    guys don’t
  • Speaker 4
    0:31:58

    say his name. Right. And also, there’s a little room for anti Semmits in the party, like, Paul Gosar and Marjorie Taylor Green are both about to get their house committee assignments. Right. And he goes
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    0:32:07

    and
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    0:32:07

    McConnell also goes exactly to your point earlier about immediately the second part of the Census. And I don’t think someone that does dine with them can a president. Right? So it’s immediately about the the sport of it, the politics, the oh, this is gonna hurt us in the polls. It’s gonna hurt him in the polls.
  • Speaker 3
    0:32:20

    He shouldn’t do it. Right? Like, It is just it’s very rude. I don’t know. Sammy, what is your what’s your what’s your what’s your mean?
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    0:32:26

    You haven’t even talked about the
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    0:32:27

    best part of this, which is the return of Milo Unopolous. Oh, yeah. This
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    0:32:30

    campaign
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:31

    looks terrible. We had the well, he’s always looked. I mean, he he I don’t think
  • Speaker 3
    0:32:35

    so. I think that he’s really disintegrated. Like, his soul and physical appearance are are gone the same or black names. I
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:42

    can’t I can’t speak to his soul, but I feel like he’s looked I mean, he he doesn’t I’m not sure he he looks much worse than he did. On the what was it the Faith militant shopping network or whatever when he was hopping? I’ve got some more
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    0:32:55

    I’ve got some more coming on this down.
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:56

    The the interesting thing here to me is this traveling circus of nutjobs that is kind of making the rounds around the country with Kanye, that Donald Trump is welcoming into his house Because solely because he’s like, I would like to have dinner with Kanye West, who is a famous person who is here to pay tribute to me, he thought, and you can get past every I mean, this is the this is this has always been the fundamental idea of Donald Trump is that all you have to do is flatter him. In the least and pay tribute to him and he will be your friend, whether you’re a vicious anti semite or the leader of North Korea. Or a Chinese autocrat. It doesn’t matter. Russian strong man, you could be you could you’d be talking about liquidating Ukraine and and Donald Trump’s like, yeah, yeah, he’s he’s always said nice things about me, so he’s fine.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:42

    And that’s like, that just exposes the whole game. What what is interesting to me is really weirdly how little play this is getting in the rest of the media ecosystem. Do you guys feel like this is getting under talked about on CNN, MSNBC or whatever. So this is I
  • Speaker 3
    0:34:01

    want I actually wanted your take on this. I I don’t know the answer to that question. Right? On this one level,
  • Speaker 1
    0:34:07

    this is absolutely horrible
  • Speaker 3
    0:34:08

    and without precedent in American history. That may not in American history, but without precedent in our lifetime. That a president would meet with a hate leader upon leaving the White House. So in some senses, that should be a front page New York Times story. Right?
  • Speaker 3
    0:34:22

    Like, that should be the banner headline form where president meets with hate leader. Right? Like — Yeah. — I I
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    0:34:27

    you know,
  • Speaker 3
    0:34:27

    if I if Obama met with you know, I don’t I don’t even know what a hypothetical would be, you know, some fucking foreign, you know, radical hate leader after his presidency. I think that would have been a big that would have been a lead stories, same with any of the other foreign presidents. We treat Trump differently. On the other hand, like, what does Nick Fuentes and Milo and Kanye want? For us to talk about them.
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    0:34:49

    Right. Right. Right. We’re doing that. So, like, on the other hand, I’m like, I don’t know.
  • Speaker 3
    0:34:52

    I feel like maybe it’s getting the right amount of coverage. I like, what’s your put on your media criticism hat? What do you
  • Speaker 2
    0:34:57

    think I get the sense that this is largely being it’s not being ignored, but it is being very underplayed in the mainstream press. And frankly, I think that’s the right call. I mean, look, I do think a de platforming these people has a very positive impact on the amount of attention they receive. Right? I think Donald Trump is now basically background noise because he has been taken off of Twitter He’s not in everybody’s Twitter feed seventeen times a day.
  • Speaker 2
    0:35:18

    Even the retruths. Right? They get they get screenshotted into Twitter and they kinda disappear. Nobody pays it’s not it’s not headline news. It’s not breaking headline news on CNN every time he talks.
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    0:35:29

    I think there’s been a there’s been a very explicit decision to deemphasize what he does And I think that kills him much worse. I think the media more generally not talking about Kanye West is actually having dinner with Donald Trump. It’s actually worse for Donald Trump than having dinner with Kanye West and then having everybody talk about it. Because if he’s in the news all the time and the focus of all the attention, he all of the energy is drawn to him. And taking that away from him is, like, CryptoKnife.
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    0:35:56

    There are front pages in
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    0:35:57

    your time. Should it have been on? Should this should this be should we do that? I
  • Speaker 4
    0:36:01

    I don’t know. It’s a tough call. I I sort of agree. I sort of agree with Sunny that
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    0:36:08

    one of the
  • Speaker 4
    0:36:09

    lessons that the media seems to have learned. Right? So I saw this with the New York Post. The New York Post used to clown Trump back in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, as a way of of beating up on him. But they’d clown him on the cover.
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    0:36:23

    Now they say, like, Florida man on page twenty six. You know, when he announced for president, they said, like, Florida man announces for president or whatever on page twenty six. They are trying to deny him the oxygen, and I agree with Sunny it probably hurts him more. That being said, that is all of us reacting to a very specific dynamic with Donald Trump as opposed to addressing the historical significance of a the most recent past president dining with a white supremacist. Which has
  • Speaker 1
    0:36:51

    really great implications
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    0:36:52

    for where we are culturally and who what we’re tolerating. And so,
  • Speaker 1
    0:36:58

    like, It depends on
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    0:37:00

    what our goals are, I guess. Right? Are our goals to acknowledge that we’re in a really dark place where a a president can sort of without incident dine with a couple of white supremacists? Or is our goal to
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    0:37:16

    try to make sure that
  • Speaker 4
    0:37:16

    Donald Trump is not president again. I’m sympathetic to both. And I think that by the
  • Speaker 3
    0:37:20

    way, I think that’s a really great point about, like, what this kind of impact it has for former the most recent former president to dine with white supremacists, what it has on the culture. Because it’s a it’s a moral and cultural point, but it also is the political point that now gets loss that Republicans don’t even have to debate amongst themselves, whether they should be more harshly against it for the medium term concerns of the Republican Party too. You know, I closed the school as almost all kids of color. Right? And I just, like, think about the eighth graders or not.
  • Speaker 3
    0:37:47

    You know, the ones that are politically aware. Like, Are any of those kids ever gonna vote for a fucking Republican? Would they ever consider it? Like like, no. Like, they’re like, this guy is meeting with a white supremacist.
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    0:38:00

    Like, That is what the Republican party is to them. He’s the leader of the party. And then what about how welcome do they feel in the country? They’re like half the country voted for somebody. That’s gonna, like, dine with someone that is a white surprise.
  • Speaker 3
    0:38:10

    Feels like something out of a history books like a white supremacist. Why do we even have fucking like, we have white supremacists now and And so, like, that does have a real impact. I I think that gets into the water table of everything, that gets ignored in the conversation because, like, we we get so hyper naval daisy on on, like, the the minute by minute Twitter impact. Got it. I
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    0:38:31

    wanna go
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    0:38:32

    to speak. That’s a that’s a nice clean transition into the Republican
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    0:38:36

    on top
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    0:38:36

    Firstly,
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    0:38:37

    quick
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    0:38:37

    update from the European football match. There have been no goals since we started forty minutes ago. Same scores as it has been. There’s not a lot of action. Not a lot of action in
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    0:38:47

    that sports.
  • Speaker 3
    0:38:47

    They’ve been kicking back and forth. I’m I have I have it off of my screens. I’m trying to ignore it. Well, I’ll just I’m just letting you know. We’ve had forty one minutes where they’ve kicked it back and forth and nothing has happened.
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:58

    Sarah,
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    0:39:01

    the autopsy. A couple interesting things. Well, they don’t wanna call it an autopsy, obviously. So that’s one thing. Another thing that is of interest year, this postmortem.
  • Speaker 3
    0:39:11

    It’s designed to bring in new voices and guidance on matters like outreach to minorities and suburban female voters. That’s that sounds familiar. Kinda like, not tops that I worked on a decade ago. The people they involved, I think, is kind of interesting here. Katy Britt, Alabama senator smart white woman.
  • Speaker 3
    0:39:29

    Monica Deyla Cruz, Texas rep elect. I don’t know a lot about her. The panel will also include former Arizona senate candidate Blake Masters, who in the wake
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    0:39:39

    of his loss,
  • Speaker 3
    0:39:40

    has called on a party to move on from consultant one size fits all strategies. It’s interesting. It’s interesting person to include Blake, lost by five points in a red state with the creepiest ad campaign, this side of Ron DeSantis.
  • Speaker 1
    0:39:58

    What do you
  • Speaker 3
    0:39:59

    think about that, Sarah? Do you have any autopsy tactics? I mean, I just I think it’s good
  • Speaker 4
    0:40:03

    to bring him Blake Masters. He has a lot of good tips to offer. One, don’t say nice things about the Unobama. That’s not good. You know, don’t be like a weird mega robot don’t take a don’t criticize Big Tech while being primarily funded by Big Tech Giants and Bankworld by them.
  • Speaker 4
    0:40:21

    I mean, he’s got he’s gonna have lots of advice. Lots of lots and lots of not to dos?
  • Speaker 3
    0:40:28

    Well, you’ve you’ve done you’re kind of a one woman, you know, focused group and strategy. You know, if you’re in the that advisory council, Any any any tips for Ron or Romney? Well, I
  • Speaker 4
    0:40:39

    mean, here’s the thing. Right? I mean, this is what’s funny about this, right, for you, is that you were on the last autopsy after from Mitt Romney line. And they basically they were like, okay. Where’s what we got in you
  • Speaker 1
    0:40:48

    guys? And you know this matter of
  • Speaker 4
    0:40:49

    timing. You can tell me if I’m characterizing this properly. Here’s what we need to do. We need to be nicer to, like, ladies and minorities and, like, do Hispanic outreach like, lay off some of the social conservatism stuff because, like, the gays are popular now. And, you know, this is how we’re gonna do better with the suburbs, better with Hispanics.
  • Speaker 4
    0:41:10

    And then Donald Trump came and, like, you know, used that autopsy as toilet paper while he ran this, you know, populist nationalist effort that demonstrated that actually you can call Mexican rapists. You can say Muslims aren’t allowed in America and people will like you more. And so then everybody was like, okay, more of that. We’re gonna do more of that. And then after doing more of that, for a bunch of cycles.
  • Speaker 4
    0:41:34

    They were like, actually, that might not be working. And so now they’re, like, new autopsy to find out how to make ladies and minorities like us again. So he’s like
  • Speaker 3
    0:41:43

    us again. And you you’re you’re already put the cherry on top of this. I was I was going off a screenshot on the on the Blake Masters thing. I hadn’t I hadn’t scrolled down to the bottom of the article here. The point person on this review, actually, those those folks I just mentioned were front of the the panel that they’re bringing in and the point first on this review.
  • Speaker 3
    0:42:01

    Henry Barber,
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    0:42:02

    who is
  • Speaker 3
    0:42:03

    on the same lot obviously, I worked on with him ten years ago. Henry Barber will be leaving it. And the best part is his co lead will be Harvey Dillon. An absolutely insane attorney who is has been part of, like, the Kerry Lake Blake Commasters, Arizona, midterm election was a fraud, legal effort. That is That’s something.
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    0:42:29

    So and this is their effort to fuse. This is a fuse, the new fusion, Sunny. It’s like we’re gonna take the people that invite that did these suggestions ten years ago. And we’re gonna fuse them with some election deniers and see if what you know, see if they we can’t get a
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:43

    solution. Out. Yeah. I genuinely I the the inclusion of Blake Masters on this thing, it has to be some sort of hand out to Peter Teel or something. Because I there’s no universe in which it makes any sense whatsoever.
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:57

    I like, he ran behind the generic Republican in Arizona. I mean, he ran behind every he ran behind Kerry Lake. He ran behind everybody. Like, there’s nobody he was better than in, like, the most what is arguably the most purple state right now, Arizona. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:43:11

    Like, he is objectively a terrible candidate. And it’s just pink state. It’s actually,
  • Speaker 4
    0:43:16

    like, slightly redder than purple. It’s like pinkish.
  • Speaker 2
    0:43:19

    He’s he’s just a terrible terrible candidate. I I I don’t understand. So Yeah.
  • Speaker 3
    0:43:24

    The treasurer candidate. This is my favorite style of cycle. The Arizona Republican treasurer candidate who had, like, no brand. Literally, if you were, like, running a non player character, Republican with no personality of any kind as or or no real campaign, that she won by ten points. Okay.
  • Speaker 3
    0:43:43

    It’s like generic Republican won by ten points. Blake Masters lost by five. So he ran fifteen points below. Probably, like, what he was He is just a
  • Speaker 2
    0:43:52

    I sound I I have an annoying voice. I’m terrible at all sorts of things. You do. But when I watch those awful campaign videos where he has that whole serial killer vibe, like, go into the trunk of his car and putting the silencer on his pistol. Like, how on earth How on earth is this a guy who you look at and you’re like, politician in the future right there?
  • Speaker 2
    0:44:13

    Well, I think I can answer that
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    0:44:14

    question. If you’re the person in charge of this is Ronald Romney, who, as best I could tell, has overseen a disastrous midterm, a disastrous presidential reelect, and another disastrous midterm, and and I guess she’s gonna be reelected. You don’t
  • Speaker 4
    0:44:30

    think Lee Zelyn has any shot against her? I mean, the my pillow guy doesn’t. Well, shows get long and
  • Speaker 3
    0:44:34

    I’ve won the topic to get into. It’s been a good show and a long show, so I’ll just keep this quick. But there are a hundred and sixty eight votes. And so it’s very this is very different than a lot than net other elections. Right?
  • Speaker 3
    0:44:45

    Like, it’s an inside game. All these people know, Rana. She’s been doing favors for them. She’s been throwing money to their party committees. Right?
  • Speaker 3
    0:44:51

    And so she’s got a lot of this wired. Mhmm. Was the election bad enough for her to get overthrown for Lee’s Island? I wouldn’t say zero percent chance. I just think that she’s got that a big advantage over somebody who just kinda lost the governor’s race coming as an outsider.
  • Speaker 3
    0:45:06

    But but maybe Maybe who knows? Okay. Final topic. There is a runoff election on Saturday. And that’s happening in Georgia.
  • Speaker 3
    0:45:17

    I don’t have any deep thoughts really except for one thing that really jumped out to me, which is that so far among the early vote, there been about eleven thousand people that voted who did not vote in the midterm, which
  • Speaker 1
    0:45:29

    I think is an
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    0:45:30

    insane stat. It’s six percent of the total electorate. So far, did not vote in the midterm of that group sixty percent under thirty. You know, you can overanalyze early vote data and all that. But I I think that regardless of of that, you know, it’s it’s at least a minimal good sign for worn out.
  • Speaker 3
    0:45:50

    And it’s a little bit jarring that there’s so many people did not turn out to the midterm and maybe the democrats who look at the fact that, like, man had a few thousand house notes switched in six states that could have held out of the house they gotta feel a little bit a bit not great about the, you know, not maximizing their young youth turnout. So it’s kind of a little bit of mixed news. You gotta feel like you’re in good shape if you’re worn out. Yeah. So
  • Speaker 4
    0:46:11

    wait. But let me just tell you, like, a quick anecdote about the Youngs. So I wasn’t sure. So we we had to prep focus groups prior to the election, not knowing how it would turn out. And so one of the groups that we fielded ended up talking to was In
  • Speaker 3
    0:46:24

    Georgia. No. Just in general.
  • Speaker 4
    0:46:25

    This is the mid term. But we did one with young people who didn’t vote. That was one of the groups that we fielded shortly after the election. And we ended up not doing much with it because turn out among young people was decent. And there wasn’t like a big, you know, it wasn’t it wasn’t a super interesting point.
  • Speaker 4
    0:46:39

    But I’ll just say as a quick thing, like, they all were super opinionated about politics. They all, like, are totally they hated candidates. They felt strongly about things that it was all like, well, like hard enough gas in it. Like, you know, I well, I meant to do it early, but then I didn’t. And then the day off, I was busy.
  • Speaker 4
    0:46:59

    Like that. So I just wonder, you know, for and then and they had, like and they felt super strongly about it. So I do maybe these are the people who are getting their second cracked at it. That’s fascinating. I wanna
  • Speaker 3
    0:47:09

    can we eat for bowl or plus members? Can we get a super cut over Christmas of all the focus groups that just hit the cutting room for?
  • Speaker 1
    0:47:16

    I
  • Speaker 3
    0:47:16

    didn’t I didn’t realize it.
  • Speaker 4
    0:47:17

    I didn’t realize it was so much premature. They’re
  • Speaker 3
    0:47:19

    sunny. You know young people? No, I
  • Speaker 2
    0:47:22

    don’t. Oh, right.
  • Speaker 3
    0:47:23

    Sheet on any
  • Speaker 1
    0:47:24

    Okay. Any other
  • Speaker 3
    0:47:24

    younger than you guys Any thought Any
  • Speaker 2
    0:47:25

    younger I was
  • Speaker 3
    0:47:26

    a joke. You’re a year you might be you’re younger enough, but you’re a deck decades older in spirit. I was just wondering if you have any other final observations on Georgia? The Hershel Walker’s candidacy. I don’t have any I don’t have any special on
  • Speaker 2
    0:47:42

    Georgia. Fine. Then
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    0:47:43

    we’re then we’re gonna go to Sunny for a a quick entertainment segment to end the podcast because Sunny is our entertainment editor? What’s your culture editor? What’s your culture editor? Culture editor. Culture editor.
  • Speaker 3
    0:47:53

    Who’s got some good podcast on culture you should watch? I would like for Sunny to give us three movies that we should watch going into award season to to bring some value to the next level listeners, and then I’m gonna close this off with a culture anecdote of my own. Option
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    0:48:09

    number one, a movie called Tarr. I’ve talked about it on across the movie aisle. I reviewed it. It it stars Kate Blanchett as a a lesbian conductor of Symphony who finds herself into getting into trouble with the It’d be Sarah’s interest. She’s staying
  • Speaker 3
    0:48:23

    now. I mean, it
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:24

    it’s it’s a movie about the internal life of women. And I I And you
  • Speaker 4
    0:48:29

    hear that. You often
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:31

    yells at me about not liking these movies. My my number one or number two movie of the year after everything everywhere all at once. Second suggestion for people to watch a movie on Netflix. It’s a French movie. It’s called Ethanol.
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:41

    But I I say it’s a French movie. Don’t worry. It’s like very it’s very action oriented. That’s You know, it’s a it is a God forbid it
  • Speaker 4
    0:48:48

    just being French for subtitles and have a good plot and be Oh, that would
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:51

    be terrible. That would be terrible. Check that out. Good chance it’ll get some foreign language norms or maybe just cinematography. It it has some great long one take scenes.
  • Speaker 2
    0:49:02

    Fun movie, you should check it out. And my other two options, I’m gonna go more mainstream on these because I do think that this is your you’re gonna get some of the bigger more popular movies see a fair number of awards at least nominations. So if you haven’t seen Top Gun Maverick, you should. It’s on VOD now. It’s gonna hit Paramount Plus, I think December twenty second something like that, or it’s gonna be back on IMAX head of Avatar the way of water.
  • Speaker 2
    0:49:24

    That movie’s gonna get a ton you’re shaking your head, Tim, but that movie’s gonna get a ton. That’s fine. I’m not gonna
  • Speaker 3
    0:49:30

    watch top Okay.
  • Speaker 2
    0:49:30

    What do you see? Top Gun Maverick, a good movie. It’s a good movie. You should go see it. Tim, it’s so enjoyable.
  • Speaker 4
    0:49:34

    Yeah. I don’t understand why
  • Speaker 2
    0:49:35

    you wouldn’t wanna see it. And the other option is Elvis. I think Elvis is going to be a low
  • Speaker 3
    0:49:41

    key sign. They just watched Elvis on streaming. It’s excellent. It’s it’s And I found out that Elvis wore makeup I didn’t know that. Okay.
  • Speaker 3
    0:49:47

    This was that was a little gay. You know, he had some nice eye, eye mascara. Well, this is the Boslerman
  • Speaker 2
    0:49:52

    interpretation of. No. No. No. I Googled to
  • Speaker 3
    0:49:55

    see if it was and it was true. I I used Google. Oh, the Internet told you. Yeah. The
  • Speaker 2
    0:49:59

    Internet. But both BaaS and Google
  • Speaker 3
    0:50:01

    told me. So that’s true. If if someone knows all to all, then when
  • Speaker 2
    0:50:05

    I’m I’m sure he wore makeup because he’s a performer in Vegas. But no. I I would say those two movies are I think I think Elvis is a sneaky, like, long shot, but not that long shot, best picture contender. I think I think the older academy viewers are gonna be very into it, and it’s shot I mean, Tim, you’re a young person. You really like you you felt it was full of energy and I loved
  • Speaker 3
    0:50:28

    Elvis. I thought it was better than the adult and John movie and the Queen movie. Yep. Like, touch other ones kind of in that space. I thought I also surprised it was good.
  • Speaker 3
    0:50:35

    Well, this is great. I haven’t I don’t why why won’t see Top Gun, and maybe I’ll watch on my TVs because I have a four year old, and so I don’t get to watch movies. And so I really have to choose wisely, and I did go see everything everywhere all at once. But I, you know, I it’s hard to get to the movies. I’m not gonna waste one on top gun.
  • Speaker 3
    0:50:48

    But Having a four year old, one thing I can do is watch press each TV at night after they go to bed. And so I have been watching White Lotus. Have you guys been watching White Lotus? Just so you don’t do shows. I’ve done it.
  • Speaker 3
    0:50:59

    Sarah, what’s your white lotus take? So I watched the
  • Speaker 4
    0:51:01

    whole first season. Love dance. I’ve been watching the second season. Only a couple episodes into the second season, though. This one just I
  • Speaker 3
    0:51:07

    like it better or worse. I’m
  • Speaker 4
    0:51:09

    enjoying it. I’m enjoying it. I but I I don’t think I’m deep enough. I don’t think I’m deep enough.
  • Speaker 3
    0:51:14

    Well, I I have to tell you, I was like, yeah, not quite as much of these one for me, mostly because I loved the gay hotelier in the first season and the woman. And this one is a little less interesting for me. And the teams are a little less interesting on this one than Sydney Sweeny was. But there’s some good stuff happening in this season. Aubrey Plaza is unbelievable.
  • Speaker 3
    0:51:33

    Why is
  • Speaker 4
    0:51:33

    Aubrey Foster so good? She should be in everything. And her dress in this
  • Speaker 1
    0:51:36

    last
  • Speaker 3
    0:51:37

    episode. Exactly. She’s
  • Speaker 2
    0:51:38

    in she’s in almost everything. Well, she’s gonna own
  • Speaker 3
    0:51:42

    mommy, I think. It’s really good
  • Speaker 4
    0:51:43

    to see Christopher Multisante again. It is nice to see Christopher again. So
  • Speaker 3
    0:51:45

    here’s here’s the I do have one that I anecdote I’d like to end this with. So this week, my father-in-law and mother-in-law were were staying with us for Thanksgiving. And we had a plan on Sunday night, which was as culturally appropriate, they were gonna watch Yellowstone downstairs on living room on the big TV. And up in the bedroom, we are gonna watch white Lotus, you know. They are West Virginians who, you know, in the Yellowstone demo, we are gay millennials in the white Lotus demo.
  • Speaker 3
    0:52:12

    We
  • Speaker 1
    0:52:12

    started, you know, it’s
  • Speaker 3
    0:52:13

    been too late. We didn’t have it on D. V. R. So they couldn’t watch it.
  • Speaker 3
    0:52:15

    So his mother goes to bed, reader book.
  • Speaker 1
    0:52:18

    Father says, well,
  • Speaker 3
    0:52:18

    the step wants to show with you guys, whatever you guys are gonna watch in the living room, white lotus comes on. I don’t want to have any spoilers, so it would just be two very basic spoilers. The opening scene is has a prostitute’s boobs, and she’s getting she’s getting sexed. And so that’s how that it opens. So it ends.
  • Speaker 3
    0:52:37

    Well, I I don’t wanna give a spot. It was with another very graphic sex scene. And throughout the episode, I would say seventy percent of the dialogue in the outset is about who’s fucking who and why. And I gotta tell you, not great. Content to engage with your father-in-law.
  • Speaker 3
    0:52:55

    I was I was turning red at the end in the final scene. I was staring straight ahead of the scene as soon as and I mean, you know, I’m maybe, like, so who do you think who do you think dies? Right? I’m, like, anything to talk about something else. Like, what about how about them cowboys?
  • Speaker 3
    0:53:09

    I I just I was, like, let’s changes subject to
  • Speaker 2
    0:53:12

    You’re about sixty five. Wentas.
  • Speaker 3
    0:53:14

    It went to those extremely awkward. So I I it’s a good season, but I I just I wouldn’t recommend in
  • Speaker 1
    0:53:20

    law over
  • Speaker 3
    0:53:21

    the holidays, White Lotus, if if you’re new to it, that’s not something to watch with the in laws. It would be my piece of feedback. This has been quite a long show, I think. What do you guys think? Yeah.
  • Speaker 4
    0:53:30

    We’re good show
  • Speaker 3
    0:53:30

    show, long show,
  • Speaker 4
    0:53:31

    as they all are. Good show,
  • Speaker 3
    0:53:33

    long show, Sunny. Thank you for checking in. Do we have a final score? Is the is the is the European football matchover? Let’s look here.
  • Speaker 3
    0:53:40

    I’ll go look at
  • Speaker 2
    0:53:42

    I’ll go find out for myself after
  • Speaker 3
    0:53:44

    Same score. Score is the same. Guys, thank you all so much for being with us Hopefully, JBL will be back next week, and I’ll be on Charlie’s pod on Friday. And we’ll see you all
  • Speaker 1
    0:53:55

    next
  • Speaker 4
    0:53:55

    week. Then. Bye. How
  • Speaker 3
    0:53:57

    does How does JBL on this
  • Speaker 1
    0:53:58

    piece?
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