The Bella Ciao song was also used extensively in the show "The Heist" which was on Netflix and had something like 3 seasons. Originally a Spanish show, My son (now age 20) originally found it so I'm making a leap to suggest that the younger men liked it. At any rate, him and I had a great time watching all 3 seasons and I instantly knew what the song was
idk. I don't know ultimately where Robinson's ideological leanings ended up but in footage of a demonstration from a month or two ago - I think it might have been LA bc of the presence of the guardsmen - there were two groups of protesters and a guardsman in the middle and one of the anti-ICE protesters started singing Bella Ciao, and the Proud Boys were the counter protesters and the one in the camera frame started bopping along to it and eventually joined in singing it and I thought "how wonderful that music brought the two sides together". But now I wonder.
Kirk's murder was bad. For himself, his family, and all of us.
There is much lamentation afoot now about what a 'distraction' this is from the Epstein thing, since everybody here desperately wants to see Trump weakened as much as possible. But note this: his loving followers have apparently been inoculated against blindly swallowing whatever dreck Trump decides to shovel at them, and this is thanks to the betrayal regarding Epstein. The majority opinion before would have been "oh well, the president knows best". Now? They appear highly motivated to hold every three-dollar bill he tries to pass them up to the light. He has been weakened.
That's odd, I can honestly say its as if a great evil was lifted from the world. That's how many of the people who watched the trials at Nuremberg said they felt after the convictions there, and its appropriate.
But I guess the problem with the MAGATS is that they clearly could not see this coming.
Nuremberg was a trial. Kirk got a sniper's bullet. Any evil he had was not repudiated, it was spread and magnified.
MAGA saw this coming. MAGA has been begging for this, that's why they call it their Reichstag Fire. They did everything they could to make it happen. That there is no clear through-line in politics to find in the killer's motivation just amplifies the chaos.
I guess the one thing that strikes me about the Pepe idea is that the two tracksuits look identical. Someone correct me if pretty much all or most tracksuits are the same color and striping.
I am sure some creative geniuses can come up with some encouraging counter narratives for dumfukistan to chew on. In other news when are our state leaders going to pass a law making doxxing and firing or harassing of people a state felony? Let’s get the petitions going to get it in the ballot if not.
When I saw the writing on the bullets, I said, “This guy’s a troll.” Then my son told me what the other bullets meant, and I said, “This guy’s a gamer and a troll.” Plus, he’s young and stupid. This is just horrifying.
You can't be a gamer, a troll, and write sonets to your "lover" ... including the use of elipses ... and properly used commas, while on the lam from "squad cars".
Hey, do me a favor - go search all your text messages for any of the words "squad car", "my vehicle", "retrieve", "my love", "my old man", "interrogated", "shortly after", "swept", "abandon", "willingly" and report back any usage.
Deal?
Yes, it's insane to think that a 22 year old gamer / internet troll uses such language.
But isn't it fortunate that he layed out all the aspects of the crime in an easily accessible form for the police to find?
The phrases I listed are not commonly used in private messages. But all of these phrases were supposedly in the text messages of the 22-year-old assassin of Charlie Kirk.
I'm a 50+ year old white man. None of those phrases are even in my everyday lexicon.
But do you know who uses that lexicon every day?
Cops.
That's why I disagree with your post that anyone questioning the text messages (at least) is insane.
And I bet you haven't even heard about the screwdriver yet, have you?
I'll admit to being somewhat unconvinced by the various conspiracy theories surrounding Kirk's shooter, much as I am about, say, the Kennedy assassination. Real life is messy, and weird shit happens all the time. Yes, it's possible that there's some deeper truth that will only be exposed by internet sleuthing from remote locations, but that has always seemed a low-probability scenario to me.
The other point I'd raise is that, for public figures, especially polarizing public figures like Kirk, it doesn't really matter what “really” happened, who “really” killed him. What matters is how that killing is perceived, and what it is used to justify.
Right now, the fascists in government seem to think that they can use the death of a self-styled Free Speech Warrior to suppress free speech. That doesn't make sense to me - my father ensured I had a keen nose for hypocrisy - but these things don't have to make logical sense; they just have to follow emotional logic.
So sure, I'll grant you that Kirk might have been killed by… I dunno, the Secret Service or something. Anything is possible, and the dearth of talent and wealth of corruption at the FBI right now means any official account will be automatically suspect. But I very much doubt Steve Bannon is going to be the source of Unvarnished Truth on this.
The right wing media grifters are going to speculate and accuse and “just ask questions” off this debacle for quite some time, almost all of it without evidence, and with no way to verify anything; and your average American voter is going to, at best, ignore it or, at worst, somehow believe all of it, even the contradictory stuff.
THAT'S what I find insane. The confident ignorance and the enthusiastic audiences, shoveling bullshit down their ears with undimmed gusto.
More broadly, I also find American gun-fetish culture intrinsically insane, but I'm Canadian. That one's a cultural inheritance.
It took almost two generations for the GOP Establishment to lose their control of the Tea Party. Now it's only taken 8 years or so for the Tea Party GOP (aka Nat'l Conservatives) to lose their control over the Goypers & Nickers ...
How interesting that JD Vance takes over for Kirk on his platform. Stepping up in a time of grief to honor his fallen friend? And carry on his work? Or maybe, with an eye to 2028, appropriate his huge swath of youth voter fanbase to himself. Boom- look at JD's new ready made platform for self promotion. This is not a surprise.
When television came to my house in the mid-1950s we had 2 channels. Cable TV gave the promise that our choice of viewing would be greatly expanded. Imagine the choices afforded with 100 or more channels. When the day arrived that 100 channels made their debut, the realization set in that the majority of the channel content was then, as FCC chairman Newton Minow proclaimed "vast wasteland".
I think if MIinow would be alive today, he would make the same statement about social media. Only today's social media is far more destructive to the fabric of American life than television ever has been. Could it be that the rise of television has significantly contributed to the dumbing down of the American public?
GI Robot needs more white friends to help him fight fascism. White people created white supremacy and are responsible for dismantling it. Will you join GI Robot?
The Bella Ciao song was also used extensively in the show "The Heist" which was on Netflix and had something like 3 seasons. Originally a Spanish show, My son (now age 20) originally found it so I'm making a leap to suggest that the younger men liked it. At any rate, him and I had a great time watching all 3 seasons and I instantly knew what the song was
idk. I don't know ultimately where Robinson's ideological leanings ended up but in footage of a demonstration from a month or two ago - I think it might have been LA bc of the presence of the guardsmen - there were two groups of protesters and a guardsman in the middle and one of the anti-ICE protesters started singing Bella Ciao, and the Proud Boys were the counter protesters and the one in the camera frame started bopping along to it and eventually joined in singing it and I thought "how wonderful that music brought the two sides together". But now I wonder.
Kirk's murder was bad. For himself, his family, and all of us.
There is much lamentation afoot now about what a 'distraction' this is from the Epstein thing, since everybody here desperately wants to see Trump weakened as much as possible. But note this: his loving followers have apparently been inoculated against blindly swallowing whatever dreck Trump decides to shovel at them, and this is thanks to the betrayal regarding Epstein. The majority opinion before would have been "oh well, the president knows best". Now? They appear highly motivated to hold every three-dollar bill he tries to pass them up to the light. He has been weakened.
That's odd, I can honestly say its as if a great evil was lifted from the world. That's how many of the people who watched the trials at Nuremberg said they felt after the convictions there, and its appropriate.
But I guess the problem with the MAGATS is that they clearly could not see this coming.
Nuremberg was a trial. Kirk got a sniper's bullet. Any evil he had was not repudiated, it was spread and magnified.
MAGA saw this coming. MAGA has been begging for this, that's why they call it their Reichstag Fire. They did everything they could to make it happen. That there is no clear through-line in politics to find in the killer's motivation just amplifies the chaos.
I guess the one thing that strikes me about the Pepe idea is that the two tracksuits look identical. Someone correct me if pretty much all or most tracksuits are the same color and striping.
If he wasn't dressing up as the Pepe meme, what alternative might you suggest?
Actually, that is what I was suggesting.
Where, oh where, has our Jeffrey gone? Oh where, oh where can he be?
I am sure some creative geniuses can come up with some encouraging counter narratives for dumfukistan to chew on. In other news when are our state leaders going to pass a law making doxxing and firing or harassing of people a state felony? Let’s get the petitions going to get it in the ballot if not.
When I saw the writing on the bullets, I said, “This guy’s a troll.” Then my son told me what the other bullets meant, and I said, “This guy’s a gamer and a troll.” Plus, he’s young and stupid. This is just horrifying.
He's 22. His prefrontal lobes are not wired up yet. Young and stupid? That's repetitious.
You can't be a gamer, a troll, and write sonets to your "lover" ... including the use of elipses ... and properly used commas, while on the lam from "squad cars".
No? Then what can you be?
Nothing to see here, move along.
Heh... wow, these people are insane. 🫠
Sure.
Hey, do me a favor - go search all your text messages for any of the words "squad car", "my vehicle", "retrieve", "my love", "my old man", "interrogated", "shortly after", "swept", "abandon", "willingly" and report back any usage.
Deal?
Yes, it's insane to think that a 22 year old gamer / internet troll uses such language.
But isn't it fortunate that he layed out all the aspects of the crime in an easily accessible form for the police to find?
What on earth are you talking about?
Did you do the search?
I'm going to need some context. Who are you, why am I supposed to be doing this, and what is the point of your initial reply?
I guess I *could* put up my search results, but there needs to be a point to all this. At the moment I'm very confused.
OK, I'll explain.
The phrases I listed are not commonly used in private messages. But all of these phrases were supposedly in the text messages of the 22-year-old assassin of Charlie Kirk.
I'm a 50+ year old white man. None of those phrases are even in my everyday lexicon.
But do you know who uses that lexicon every day?
Cops.
That's why I disagree with your post that anyone questioning the text messages (at least) is insane.
And I bet you haven't even heard about the screwdriver yet, have you?
Alright, thank you for explaining.
I'll admit to being somewhat unconvinced by the various conspiracy theories surrounding Kirk's shooter, much as I am about, say, the Kennedy assassination. Real life is messy, and weird shit happens all the time. Yes, it's possible that there's some deeper truth that will only be exposed by internet sleuthing from remote locations, but that has always seemed a low-probability scenario to me.
The other point I'd raise is that, for public figures, especially polarizing public figures like Kirk, it doesn't really matter what “really” happened, who “really” killed him. What matters is how that killing is perceived, and what it is used to justify.
Right now, the fascists in government seem to think that they can use the death of a self-styled Free Speech Warrior to suppress free speech. That doesn't make sense to me - my father ensured I had a keen nose for hypocrisy - but these things don't have to make logical sense; they just have to follow emotional logic.
So sure, I'll grant you that Kirk might have been killed by… I dunno, the Secret Service or something. Anything is possible, and the dearth of talent and wealth of corruption at the FBI right now means any official account will be automatically suspect. But I very much doubt Steve Bannon is going to be the source of Unvarnished Truth on this.
The right wing media grifters are going to speculate and accuse and “just ask questions” off this debacle for quite some time, almost all of it without evidence, and with no way to verify anything; and your average American voter is going to, at best, ignore it or, at worst, somehow believe all of it, even the contradictory stuff.
THAT'S what I find insane. The confident ignorance and the enthusiastic audiences, shoveling bullshit down their ears with undimmed gusto.
More broadly, I also find American gun-fetish culture intrinsically insane, but I'm Canadian. That one's a cultural inheritance.
It took almost two generations for the GOP Establishment to lose their control of the Tea Party. Now it's only taken 8 years or so for the Tea Party GOP (aka Nat'l Conservatives) to lose their control over the Goypers & Nickers ...
Are the Republicans in disarray yet?
Wicked. See what you did there!
Would we really call Hip to be Square a banger, though?
As soon as I "have the opportunity" I will travel to "my vehicle", and "retrieve" my 8-track copy of that fun song, "love".
How interesting that JD Vance takes over for Kirk on his platform. Stepping up in a time of grief to honor his fallen friend? And carry on his work? Or maybe, with an eye to 2028, appropriate his huge swath of youth voter fanbase to himself. Boom- look at JD's new ready made platform for self promotion. This is not a surprise.
Thank you, Mr. Sommer.
When television came to my house in the mid-1950s we had 2 channels. Cable TV gave the promise that our choice of viewing would be greatly expanded. Imagine the choices afforded with 100 or more channels. When the day arrived that 100 channels made their debut, the realization set in that the majority of the channel content was then, as FCC chairman Newton Minow proclaimed "vast wasteland".
I think if MIinow would be alive today, he would make the same statement about social media. Only today's social media is far more destructive to the fabric of American life than television ever has been. Could it be that the rise of television has significantly contributed to the dumbing down of the American public?
GI Robot needs more white friends to help him fight fascism. White people created white supremacy and are responsible for dismantling it. Will you join GI Robot?