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Kentuckistan's avatar

Think of it as an employment opportunity for all the lost young White men. They can join ICE or one of these prison contractors and create a purpose in life for themselves. Instead of building something, growing something, teaching somebody something, supporting or healing someone when their old or sick they can round up the people that do those jobs and they can all sit around a hot as hell prison camp looking at each other all day.

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Lucy D's avatar

Like Ryan Goodman said in your Conversations podcast, I fear the ICE buildup and calling out the military is prelude to the use of force to disrupt elections in 26 and 28. This is not a far fetched idea. This man really thought he could use the Jan 6 gangs to disrupt vote counting and create enough turmoil to keep himself in office. Why would he not use an actual army to do the same thing? I don’t know why more public figures aren’t talking about this.

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Different drummer's avatar

A lot of us ARE thinking about it. I said back in 2018 that if T ever got back in the WH we'd never again have "real" elections - if any.

The question is: is anyone doing anything to protect us from that happening?

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ButWhatDoIKnow's avatar

Alligator Auschwitz might be a better name for it.

"It’s meant to hold thousands of undocumented immigrants, most of whom will have committed no crimes."

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Sko Hayes's avatar

Before Trump made his pilgrimage to Alligator Auschwitz, it rained. Not a lot, typical south Florida afternoon rain. The tents started flooding.

Guess what happens to a swamp when you get 12 inches of rain? It turns into a lake. Do those tents float? Do they have an evacuation plan in case of a Category 3 hurricane?

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James LoMonaco's avatar

Bill, I need to point out that this isn’t simply about jailing foreigners. Trump let the truth slip when he said he’d “like camps like this built in many states. It might even become a system .”

Once the last brown person crosses the border to somewhere else the camps will be open for business with the rest of us in mind. And I don’t think Trump, Miller. Noem and Homan will have any trouble recruiting the Street Thugs and concentration camp guards needed to make it happen. We’re on the brink.

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opsan's avatar

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opsan's avatar

RFK: We're not Anti-Vax .. we are Pro-Natural Selection. https://bsky.app/profile/opsan.bsky.social/post/3lqllbgji5c2v

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Chris F's avatar

If reporting on the ICEblock app is illegal, then so are Sopranos episodes about insurance fraud (a how to on Medicare fraud), Wire episodes (how to on drug trafficking methods), and NYT coverage of the Sean Combs trial (how to on threatening woman into compliance). Hell, 50% of our entertainment is a study on criminal activity.

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Douglas Peterson's avatar

Ya know, the onslaught of despairing news has been so overwhelming the past two days, even venting here is losing its effectiveness.

Is anyone else re-reading "Papillon" for a little escapist fiction. (sorry about that)

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drlemaster's avatar

Alligators macht frei

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John Schwarzkopf's avatar

It's not Alligator Alcatraz, it's Alligator Auschwitz. It's a fucking concentration camp, not a prison. The ovens and gas chambers will be next. Trump is following Hitlers playbook to the letter.

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ButWhatDoIKnow's avatar

Alligator Auschwitz IS a better name for it.

"It’s meant to hold thousands of undocumented immigrants, most of whom will have committed no crimes."

It’s in the everglades and it’s hurricane season.

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Douglas Peterson's avatar

The 2024 German film "The Devil's Bath," depicts life in 1750 Austria with meticulous realism of the culture and the psychology of the time and place.

In one scene, a public execution of a young woman takes place and afterwards the reaction of the villagers is to laugh and sing and dance, with an accompanying band to provide music for the festivities.

I couldn't help thinking of that scene of joyful, celebrating villagers in the film when watching MAGA's reaction to the death hole we have built in our Everglades.

The Everglades, like the Statue of Liberty, instead of reflecting our national character as a reverence for life, now shows once again our character to be one of vengeful cruelty.

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Saffy’s Mom's avatar

Sounds like lynchings in the American South not too long ago. Photos of lynchings were sometimes sold as souvenir postcards.

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Steve Beckwith's avatar

They had projected all their self-loathing onto the other and rejoiced at having killed the monster. Later, at home, alone with themselves, the self-hate remained and they started looking for the next victim to carry their shame. So it was with Jesus.

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Douglas Peterson's avatar

Beautiful. The endless pursuit of finding a scapegoat.

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Carol S.'s avatar

It would be nice to think we've made some moral progress since the times when public executions were a regular form of entertainment, but I suspect that some people would be content to bring them back in exchange for getting rid of transgenderism and gay marriage.

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Douglas Peterson's avatar

Yes, and we must also reinstitute the practice of book burning. Those were always a sign of an advanced culture.

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George Cody's avatar

Here is a historical fact: Hitler never visited a concentration camp. you will not find any images (photo or film) of Hitler touting the opening of a new facility, marveling at the "showers" or the barbed-wire or anything of the kind. But now the historical archives will have (along with many other captured moments of insanity) Trump goes to the Everglades to imagine gators dissecting "illegals."

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Carol S.'s avatar

Trump apologists apparently believe he's not a violent person because he doesn't personally engage in physical attacks - though in his youth he would throw rocks at the playpen of a toddler who couldn't fight back - and because he so often condemns violent criminals in his public statements.

But he has told supporters to beat up people who heckle him; he has fantasized about alligators in the Rio Grande and about sharp spikes on his border wall; he has suggested that protesters should be shot in the leg and that suspected shoplifters should be shot with no legal process; he gleefully watched his devotees beat up the Capitol Police in his name and he calls them great patriots; he suggested that Mike Pence might deserve a hanging. And now the ghoulish Alligator Alcatraz.

Evidently, he likes to imagine violent harm coming to people who displease him, even if he would not physically inflict the harm by his own hands.

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benedict ives's avatar

Say what you will, the overwhelming undertow of History is sweeping us all away now.

Too late, baby.

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Robert J Danolfo's avatar

The easy part was building this despicable nazi death camp. The hard part will be getting Trump, his cabinet and the Republicans in Congress in there. Even the alligators might spit them out.

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