WHY NO COMMENT ? must be afraid to make any ? to bad ---for them ! just more of the SAME, and I'm sorry for them, but all cowards will have the SAME END. so who cares ? what do the cowards want ? , HOW ABOUT "DEATH"---sounds good to me, after they are COWARDS and so is the "Rapethepublicans G.O.P. party", and DEATH is to good for them, and I like that sound. DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH-yeh !
The normie GOP is dead by auto de fe. But they should not rest in peace. They knew better. They could have done something. They could have resisted. The oath of office they took freely carried a duty to defend the Constitution. I wish for them the fate of the damned in Hieronymus Bosch's masterpiece.
Charlie, Mona Charen's piece today brings me very close to leaving The Bulwark. It's a ludicrous simplification of the situation in Israel and Gaza that is not worthy of what you are trying to do with The Bulwark.
I won't take too much time explaining because you're a bright fellow: For her to simplify things to "two sides," the righteous Israelis and the evil Palestinians, is disgusting and shameful.
Hamas is evil, and all the suffering the people of Gaza endure (and will continue to endure) should be laid squarely at their feet. I say that as a Palestinian American (the first generation not born in Ramallah in 500 years).
Hamas is responsible for this horror. Full stop. And they committed these atrocities knowing full well it would lead to incomprehensible suffering for the people of Gaza. That's how evil they are.
That truth does not justify her (frankly racist) claim that "the Palestinian people" are to blame for this terrible situation, any more than it would be fair for me to claim that "the Israeli people" are to blame for atrocities committed against Palestinians by violent settlers or the IDF (see Sabra and Shatila, 1982).
But to Mona, every Palestinian is Hamas. Mona believes that the millions of Palestinian refugees who have been trapped in a tiny strip of desert for years are to blame for not picking themselves up by their sandals and shaking off the radical Islamic terror group dominating every aspect of their lives. For shame, Palestinians!
If she were being honest, she'd have said the quiet part out loud: She thinks the Palestinians dying under the Israeli assault deserve what they get because she doesn't just think Hamas is evil, she thinks anyone who lives in Gaza or the West Bank is. She hates Palestinians and wants your readers to know that it's okay for them to hate Palestinians, too.
Are you okay with that, Charlie? Because if you are, maybe The Bulwark isn't where my media dollars should go.
100-200 killed in Gaza because an Israeli bomb hit a hospital.
Fanone says that this very dark time for democracy.
DeSantis says Palestinian kids are brought up to hate Jews.
Most of Gaza is under 15 years old.
Will Saletan agrees with Fanone.
Charlie Sykes says casseroles are a front for another vote
for Jordan and Trump. . Gotta watch those ladies!
In case you didn't know Jordan is an insurrectionist and may be our
next Speaker.
I still can't fathom how Netanyahu missed the warnings; maybe the
120,000. protesters took up his time.
There are 50,000 pregnant women in Gaza. At least 50 are full term. Any day now.
My little house is my little house. I cannot imagine being forced out
with a few items onto a dusty bombed road and told to go South.
Cell phones are dead. Have any of my family escaped death?
I don't think all those Israeli tanks will fit in Gaza.
I think Netanyahu should go after Hamas But innocent Palestinians are in Gaza too. They deserve to get out of the locked space and own their very own state.
Ukraine held overwhelming support among Americans when they were attacked by Russia. So, it seems, does Israel. Biden has shown he is a strong supporter of Israel. Trump's relationship with Bibi seems to have fallen off. I wonder how long it will take for Trump to turn his party against Israel, as he did Ukraine, and make it another partisan litmus test? Mona claims we have the memory of goldfish, she should add that our moral character is as fishy as well.
I've never been exactly impressed by Mona Charen's arguments in the Bulwark or in the podcast. Half the time, she clearly hasn't even read the content of fellow Bulwark contributors when she spouts her opinions.
This one took the cake for me though, literally a sub-headline in her piece:
"Israel abides by the laws of war"
Sorry, what? There's no empirical basis for this claim, all the more so as a definitive conclusory statement.
I mean even this conflict clearly sets out MULTIPLE ways that Israel doe NOT abide with "the rules of war."
1) Per the Israeli defence minister, Israel will continue to cut off water, electricity, and fuel (and medical supplies) until Hamas members release the 200 Israeli hostages.
That's a collective punishment, explicitly prohibited by the Geneva Conventions.
2) Giving civilians 24 hours notice to evacuate to Egypt, without bothering to clear it with Egypt constitutes a country ordering civilians of a particular ethnicity to abandon their geographical homes (this meets the definition of ethnic cleansing).
3) Using white phosphorous in a densely populated areas a war crime, and there appears to be video evidence that it has been used (it causes horrendous burns and since the active ingredient combusts when exposed to oxygen, if a fragment gets into a person and your remove the bandage, exposing it to oxygen, the wound can spontaneously combust.
4) Remember the super fun "enhanced interrogation techniques" (i.e. torture) that Dubya employed in Iraq and Afghanistan? The Americans were using the Israeli playbook on interrogation techniques (stress positions, sleep depravation, sexual humiliation, water boarding).
I could go on, but Jesus Mona Charen. I've always known that she's willfully blind on issues that affect her "moral priorities" but writing with a straight face that Israel abides by the laws of war has absolutely no basis in fact.
I've had the same issue recently with people I consider(ed) friends making ridiculous comments. One has now permanent blocked me on FB because I kept fact checking his statements, often literally encouraging the Israeli blockade of water, food, electricity, fuel, and even medical supplies, "until Hamas returns the hostages". Buddy didn't like when I pointed out that collective punishments are a war crime.
The buddy that REALLY astonished me is a criminal defence lawyer who is normaly a vocal advocate for the disadvantaged. And I've been making 6+ FB posts on the war since it started.
The ONE comment he replies to is the famous clip where an English Sky reporter asks a former Israeli PM what he has to say about the fact that Palestinians in incubators will die without electricity, and said former PM replied something to the effect of: "Are you fucking kidding me asking about Palestinian civilians? We're fighting Nazis here."
This guy's response (and this is a different person from the dude who blocked me), was to repeat that the blockage will end when Hamas turns over the hostages.
He went on to make more ludicrous claims like that the Israeli government gave Palestinians a full week to evacuate to Egypt. I of course pointed out:
1) Ummm no, Israel immediately started air attacks, they dropped 6k bombs in 48 hours
2) Israel didn't even bother to clear the plan with Egypt (and bombed the Palestinian side of the border more than once) so it wasn't a serious idea.
3) Asking civilians of a certain ethnicity to clear a geographic area they've been residing in for years, decades, millenia even, meets one of the definitions of "ethnic cleansing" under international law.
Rather than say, consider the arguments, I got really glib responses including:
"Stop being a child"
And weirder still, direct quote: "Of course, the Jew is always wrong." (he's Jewish for context, lol he didn't just add that for no reason)
Obviously, I was very puzzled by a random, strongly implied accusation of antiSemtism.
I'm hoping that as time progresses, the emotional reaction to the horrendous Hamas attack will steady out to at least get to a point where we all at least agree that there are no civilian Palestinian baby Nazis who deserve to die in incubators.
It's too bad that most of the regularly watched or listened to media will not have a good word to say about Biden. It's depressing. That they could still have any loyalty to Trump whose pettiness in holding in to secret documents may have given Hamas an opportunity to attack Israel. Maybe that's why he said the attackers were smart. How can any decent person support him?
As I thought, Democrats are SALIVATING over Jordan being Speaker and already have attack lines up in every Biden leaning district where an R voted for Jordan. Jordan is a gift to Democrats and he is insisting that Democrats accept the gift. Hard.
"Normie Republican" = Common, buisness-owning Republican (COBOR). There weren't enough of these Chamber of Commerce, country-club folks to sustain political power, so they brought in the racist and religious radicals who shared their opposition to Great Society Democrats. That provided the opening for the media personalities to control the agenda, as cultural crusades are easy to manipulate. Now the COBORs have no power. They do not control the agenda and are outnumbered by the racists and zealots. But they can't leave the Party (of the Old South) because the Democrats' agenda (as they believe it) is a clear and present danger to their wealth and lifestyle. So, as my radical-liberal Swiss instructor of American government in college noted, it's the elites who control the agenda - but not so much the economically elite, anymore.
20 holdouts who could not allow Jim Jordan to be the voice of the party -- at least on the first ballot. That's two more than those who run in Biden-won districts. Jordan has a lot of enemies, for good reason. 20 out of 220 ain't much, but it might be enough to keep the worst destroyer, the pervert protector, the insurrectionist, from being two heartbeats away from being president.
Your first three bullet points made me want to throw up. (Not your fault, Charlie)
WHY NO COMMENT ? must be afraid to make any ? to bad ---for them ! just more of the SAME, and I'm sorry for them, but all cowards will have the SAME END. so who cares ? what do the cowards want ? , HOW ABOUT "DEATH"---sounds good to me, after they are COWARDS and so is the "Rapethepublicans G.O.P. party", and DEATH is to good for them, and I like that sound. DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH-yeh !
The normie GOP is dead by auto de fe. But they should not rest in peace. They knew better. They could have done something. They could have resisted. The oath of office they took freely carried a duty to defend the Constitution. I wish for them the fate of the damned in Hieronymus Bosch's masterpiece.
Charlie, Mona Charen's piece today brings me very close to leaving The Bulwark. It's a ludicrous simplification of the situation in Israel and Gaza that is not worthy of what you are trying to do with The Bulwark.
I won't take too much time explaining because you're a bright fellow: For her to simplify things to "two sides," the righteous Israelis and the evil Palestinians, is disgusting and shameful.
Hamas is evil, and all the suffering the people of Gaza endure (and will continue to endure) should be laid squarely at their feet. I say that as a Palestinian American (the first generation not born in Ramallah in 500 years).
Hamas is responsible for this horror. Full stop. And they committed these atrocities knowing full well it would lead to incomprehensible suffering for the people of Gaza. That's how evil they are.
That truth does not justify her (frankly racist) claim that "the Palestinian people" are to blame for this terrible situation, any more than it would be fair for me to claim that "the Israeli people" are to blame for atrocities committed against Palestinians by violent settlers or the IDF (see Sabra and Shatila, 1982).
But to Mona, every Palestinian is Hamas. Mona believes that the millions of Palestinian refugees who have been trapped in a tiny strip of desert for years are to blame for not picking themselves up by their sandals and shaking off the radical Islamic terror group dominating every aspect of their lives. For shame, Palestinians!
If she were being honest, she'd have said the quiet part out loud: She thinks the Palestinians dying under the Israeli assault deserve what they get because she doesn't just think Hamas is evil, she thinks anyone who lives in Gaza or the West Bank is. She hates Palestinians and wants your readers to know that it's okay for them to hate Palestinians, too.
Are you okay with that, Charlie? Because if you are, maybe The Bulwark isn't where my media dollars should go.
100-200 killed in Gaza because an Israeli bomb hit a hospital.
Fanone says that this very dark time for democracy.
DeSantis says Palestinian kids are brought up to hate Jews.
Most of Gaza is under 15 years old.
Will Saletan agrees with Fanone.
Charlie Sykes says casseroles are a front for another vote
for Jordan and Trump. . Gotta watch those ladies!
In case you didn't know Jordan is an insurrectionist and may be our
next Speaker.
I still can't fathom how Netanyahu missed the warnings; maybe the
120,000. protesters took up his time.
There are 50,000 pregnant women in Gaza. At least 50 are full term. Any day now.
My little house is my little house. I cannot imagine being forced out
with a few items onto a dusty bombed road and told to go South.
Cell phones are dead. Have any of my family escaped death?
I don't think all those Israeli tanks will fit in Gaza.
I think Netanyahu should go after Hamas But innocent Palestinians are in Gaza too. They deserve to get out of the locked space and own their very own state.
Ukraine held overwhelming support among Americans when they were attacked by Russia. So, it seems, does Israel. Biden has shown he is a strong supporter of Israel. Trump's relationship with Bibi seems to have fallen off. I wonder how long it will take for Trump to turn his party against Israel, as he did Ukraine, and make it another partisan litmus test? Mona claims we have the memory of goldfish, she should add that our moral character is as fishy as well.
PHEW 😅 Onward Ho!
What is Israel doing bombing a hospital?
You might want to look at Demian Penny's article about this,
https://damianpenny.substack.com/p/a-lot-of-people-are-lying-about-a
"HEADLINE: A lot of people are lying about a devastating, deadly strike on a Gaza hospital
We just don't know for sure which side did it and is lying about it."
I've never been exactly impressed by Mona Charen's arguments in the Bulwark or in the podcast. Half the time, she clearly hasn't even read the content of fellow Bulwark contributors when she spouts her opinions.
This one took the cake for me though, literally a sub-headline in her piece:
"Israel abides by the laws of war"
Sorry, what? There's no empirical basis for this claim, all the more so as a definitive conclusory statement.
I mean even this conflict clearly sets out MULTIPLE ways that Israel doe NOT abide with "the rules of war."
1) Per the Israeli defence minister, Israel will continue to cut off water, electricity, and fuel (and medical supplies) until Hamas members release the 200 Israeli hostages.
That's a collective punishment, explicitly prohibited by the Geneva Conventions.
2) Giving civilians 24 hours notice to evacuate to Egypt, without bothering to clear it with Egypt constitutes a country ordering civilians of a particular ethnicity to abandon their geographical homes (this meets the definition of ethnic cleansing).
3) Using white phosphorous in a densely populated areas a war crime, and there appears to be video evidence that it has been used (it causes horrendous burns and since the active ingredient combusts when exposed to oxygen, if a fragment gets into a person and your remove the bandage, exposing it to oxygen, the wound can spontaneously combust.
4) Remember the super fun "enhanced interrogation techniques" (i.e. torture) that Dubya employed in Iraq and Afghanistan? The Americans were using the Israeli playbook on interrogation techniques (stress positions, sleep depravation, sexual humiliation, water boarding).
I could go on, but Jesus Mona Charen. I've always known that she's willfully blind on issues that affect her "moral priorities" but writing with a straight face that Israel abides by the laws of war has absolutely no basis in fact.
The utter moral blindness is astonishing.
I've had the same issue recently with people I consider(ed) friends making ridiculous comments. One has now permanent blocked me on FB because I kept fact checking his statements, often literally encouraging the Israeli blockade of water, food, electricity, fuel, and even medical supplies, "until Hamas returns the hostages". Buddy didn't like when I pointed out that collective punishments are a war crime.
The buddy that REALLY astonished me is a criminal defence lawyer who is normaly a vocal advocate for the disadvantaged. And I've been making 6+ FB posts on the war since it started.
The ONE comment he replies to is the famous clip where an English Sky reporter asks a former Israeli PM what he has to say about the fact that Palestinians in incubators will die without electricity, and said former PM replied something to the effect of: "Are you fucking kidding me asking about Palestinian civilians? We're fighting Nazis here."
This guy's response (and this is a different person from the dude who blocked me), was to repeat that the blockage will end when Hamas turns over the hostages.
He went on to make more ludicrous claims like that the Israeli government gave Palestinians a full week to evacuate to Egypt. I of course pointed out:
1) Ummm no, Israel immediately started air attacks, they dropped 6k bombs in 48 hours
2) Israel didn't even bother to clear the plan with Egypt (and bombed the Palestinian side of the border more than once) so it wasn't a serious idea.
3) Asking civilians of a certain ethnicity to clear a geographic area they've been residing in for years, decades, millenia even, meets one of the definitions of "ethnic cleansing" under international law.
Rather than say, consider the arguments, I got really glib responses including:
"Stop being a child"
And weirder still, direct quote: "Of course, the Jew is always wrong." (he's Jewish for context, lol he didn't just add that for no reason)
Obviously, I was very puzzled by a random, strongly implied accusation of antiSemtism.
I'm hoping that as time progresses, the emotional reaction to the horrendous Hamas attack will steady out to at least get to a point where we all at least agree that there are no civilian Palestinian baby Nazis who deserve to die in incubators.
It's too bad that most of the regularly watched or listened to media will not have a good word to say about Biden. It's depressing. That they could still have any loyalty to Trump whose pettiness in holding in to secret documents may have given Hamas an opportunity to attack Israel. Maybe that's why he said the attackers were smart. How can any decent person support him?
The people supporting him aren’t decent.
I hope everyone is following this: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/10/17/us/house-speaker-jim-jordan-vote
As I thought, Democrats are SALIVATING over Jordan being Speaker and already have attack lines up in every Biden leaning district where an R voted for Jordan. Jordan is a gift to Democrats and he is insisting that Democrats accept the gift. Hard.
"Normie Republican" = Common, buisness-owning Republican (COBOR). There weren't enough of these Chamber of Commerce, country-club folks to sustain political power, so they brought in the racist and religious radicals who shared their opposition to Great Society Democrats. That provided the opening for the media personalities to control the agenda, as cultural crusades are easy to manipulate. Now the COBORs have no power. They do not control the agenda and are outnumbered by the racists and zealots. But they can't leave the Party (of the Old South) because the Democrats' agenda (as they believe it) is a clear and present danger to their wealth and lifestyle. So, as my radical-liberal Swiss instructor of American government in college noted, it's the elites who control the agenda - but not so much the economically elite, anymore.
"God Help Us."
General John Kelly
20 holdouts who could not allow Jim Jordan to be the voice of the party -- at least on the first ballot. That's two more than those who run in Biden-won districts. Jordan has a lot of enemies, for good reason. 20 out of 220 ain't much, but it might be enough to keep the worst destroyer, the pervert protector, the insurrectionist, from being two heartbeats away from being president.
Send Tom Nichol's comment from the 13 October Bulwark podcast to your Representative. . .I sent Tom's comment to mine.
Don't write off the "Normies" yet. . .Jordan defeated on the first ballot, led by my Rep (only because he was first alphabetically) https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/house-speaker-vote-jim-jordan/card/don-bacon-votes-for-mccarthy-aSiSv3J1ifwCGeWYj5Sc. This is not a victory, Jordan vows to keep holding ballots until he wins. . .but he has to win over 20 or so Republicans, and a lot of his votes were first ballot only commits, so now things will get interesting.
I’ve written off the normies in 2016
This is the 2023 normie GOP today. I fear for my grandkids.