I guess the sarcasm wasn't laid on heavy enough. No, Austin. Your failure to understand the difference between the dynamics of inner-city gang violence and the violence motivated by alienation from society at large - the paranoia of the MAGA crowd - is much more serious than your failure to get my lame sarcasm.
I'm shocked that you and Will failed to mention Donald Trump as a 'proven rapist' who Nancy Mace also supports. Not a single reporter ever asks Nancy Mace about his attack on E Jean Carroll. And it seems to be a blind spot even for you and Will. I don't know why this is just ignored. He raped this woman.
The immediate kneejerk takes are 'Joe Biden bad'. The other takes are akin to Ben's item 4, 'something something Iraq War', and 'something something neocon Bill Kristol!'
I’m late to the party and guessing others have already said this but: we often say “intelligence failure” before we know anything and then learn it was, in fact, a POLICY failure made with decent intelligence (eg: 9/11 and months of intel to Bush admin culminating in “Bin Laden determined to strike in US”).
My suspicion is the Yom Kippur parallel will prove true in this sense: that warnings came from intelligence and that Netanyahu’s too-right cabinet was unable - through bigotry and hubris - to think an attack was possible. We will see.
It's difficult to distinguish the axe-grinders from the organ-grinders at this early stage, and nether are particularly helpful. Wittes's advice is good in the meantime.
When do we ask what the role of Starlink was in Hamas planning? Mr. Musk who are you? And when do we say that Sen Tuberville is a traitor - and in the parlance of the GOP, should be executed?
I'm pretty sure I can "read better" than you. God that's terrible writing.
Anyway, I guess you have no knowledge of Israeli history?
Literally any person who is Jewish has an automatic right to enter Israel and to have full citizenship.
Whereas Muslim people who literally lived in homes in what is modern-day Israel, have no right to return to their homes. I'm not even using "homes" metaphorically, I mean there are THOUSANDS of elderly Palestianians who are still alive and have no right to even visit the homes they grew up in.
Dude, ultra-orthodox Jews don't even need to serve in the military, while they illegally expand settlements into Palestinian land where (mostly secular) Israeli kids die to defend their illegally acquired territory. And extra fun, ultra-orthodox Jews who do this are as extreme as the fucking Taliban (we're talking throwing acid into the faces of women who dress immodestly on public transit, forcing women to wear wigs, women prohibited from touching men even in a commercial transaction in a store, etc).
Shaking my head here. The idea of Jews "returning to their land" is fundamentally absurd in this context.
Dude does an Ashkenazi Jewish person LOOK like they've had any connection to that land in the last 2000 years? If so, I guess they developed amazing sunscreen 2000 years ago.
I'll give credit where it's due, I'm at least glad that Sephardic Jews make up 55% of Israel's Jewish population vs 45% Ashkenazi.
Not only am I aware of the rights discrepancy described in your third through fifth paragraphs, I described it as racism in my very first comment to you.
Remember back in 2017 when Trump met with the two Russian Sergies in the white house.It was reported then that Trump had passed on Israeli intelligence to them.Just saying....
| A failure that, given Israeli’s vast intelligence resources is, frankly, incomprehensible.
Perhaps.
However, given a decade in which Israel has had to hold 6 elections so far, maybe it shouldn't be surprising that dysfunction in electoral politics has had ripple through effects which have diminished the capabilities of Israel's security services.
Also, just how motivated should Israeli intelligence operatives be being led by a man who has used every way possible to evade criminal prosecution? That is, maybe Israel would be safer if Netanyahu were in prison. Or at least in court.
| Would suicide bombers attack movie theaters? Would teams of terrorist gunmen open
| fire in shopping malls?
Not many suicide bombers, but plenty of mass shootings in movie theaters and shopping malls. I guess if it's just guns, it's OK. If shooters aren't Muslims, it's OK (so the San Bernardino shooting in 2015 definitely terrorism). The 2nd Amendment Hedge, the Tree of Liberty's cousin, needs regular infusions of the blood of innocents.
The difference between Israel and US is that Israelis have real enemies on their borders. In the US, we're our own worst enemies.
Back in the 60s I stopped reading about Israelis and Palestinians when I realized god was on both their sides.......... uh, let's see, did I say that right?
Charlie says "Fuq these guys" re: the Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs statement.
But was the Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs statement by any chance already something of a "Fuq you" to the United States as well as to Israel? (given that we were supposedly in the middle of negotiating that so-called mega-deal that was going to involve Israel)?
As in "Fuq you, we're the worst frenemy on the planet but you just can't quit us, can you"?
How about this: I call on everyone in the middle east to follow international law. It's not that fucking hard.
This includes Hamas that launched a cowardly attack on civilians attending a music festival and the senseless kidnapping of civilians.
And this should also include, Israeli settlers and Israeli soldiers in occupied lands that have killed 227 Palestinians, including 45 children, in the occupied Palestinian territories since January.
That's not even counting the 400 additional deaths in the last 24 hours, oh and hospitals in Palestinian territories can't do much because Israel has cut off all the power (pretty sure that's also a war crime).
Hmmm I just don't seem to recall Charlie or Mona ever making even a passing reference to any of the 227 Palestinians killed by Israel in the last 9 months.
Not blaming you per se, Israeli war crimes are consistent that the steady trickle of Palestinian deaths doesn't register in the news cycle.
Oh and this sort of criticism is commonplace in Israel, but outside of Israel criticising Israel is considered antisemitic.
Oh and worse yet, I'm constantly annoyed by people in the West who instinctively equate Antizionism with antisemitism.
By definition Zionism holds that the land in modern day Israel belongs to Jewish people (nevermind the fact a lot of brown non-Jewish people have lived there for millenia).
FFS the whole notion of a Jewish state is fundamentally racist and offensive--as is the fact that any Dick and Jane who happens to be Jewish has an absolute right to full citizenship whereas Palestinians who have actually lived in their homes in Palestine for GENERATIONS literally have no right to step foot on their own land.
The Hamas attack was a war crime, full stop. But let's not play stupid either. If say, Germany had invaded and controlled the United States after WWII I have absolutely no doubt Americans would respond in the same way (FFS there is a long well-documented history of American war crimes even when their own territory wasn't affected, Vietnam war and the indiscriminate bombing of German civilians in WWII being good examples).
The notion of a Jewish state is not racist. Jews have a right to self-determination, like Ukrainians or Kurds or other peoples. What is racist is the idea that any one people's right to self-determination should override *all* human rights of other peoples who may be in the way.
So you'd be cool with a Muslim state where only Muslims have an automatic right to citizenship while people who are literally still alive who are, say Jewish don't have a right to return to a home they live in for generations?
I mean I guess racist people have the right to "self-determination" but it's pretty universally unacceptable in modern days to do so by displacing people who have inhabited the land for millenia.
I guess the sarcasm wasn't laid on heavy enough. No, Austin. Your failure to understand the difference between the dynamics of inner-city gang violence and the violence motivated by alienation from society at large - the paranoia of the MAGA crowd - is much more serious than your failure to get my lame sarcasm.
I'm shocked that you and Will failed to mention Donald Trump as a 'proven rapist' who Nancy Mace also supports. Not a single reporter ever asks Nancy Mace about his attack on E Jean Carroll. And it seems to be a blind spot even for you and Will. I don't know why this is just ignored. He raped this woman.
The immediate kneejerk takes are 'Joe Biden bad'. The other takes are akin to Ben's item 4, 'something something Iraq War', and 'something something neocon Bill Kristol!'
I’m late to the party and guessing others have already said this but: we often say “intelligence failure” before we know anything and then learn it was, in fact, a POLICY failure made with decent intelligence (eg: 9/11 and months of intel to Bush admin culminating in “Bin Laden determined to strike in US”).
My suspicion is the Yom Kippur parallel will prove true in this sense: that warnings came from intelligence and that Netanyahu’s too-right cabinet was unable - through bigotry and hubris - to think an attack was possible. We will see.
It's difficult to distinguish the axe-grinders from the organ-grinders at this early stage, and nether are particularly helpful. Wittes's advice is good in the meantime.
When do we ask what the role of Starlink was in Hamas planning? Mr. Musk who are you? And when do we say that Sen Tuberville is a traitor - and in the parlance of the GOP, should be executed?
Not sure about Starlink, but all in about Tuberville.
I'm pretty sure I can "read better" than you. God that's terrible writing.
Anyway, I guess you have no knowledge of Israeli history?
Literally any person who is Jewish has an automatic right to enter Israel and to have full citizenship.
Whereas Muslim people who literally lived in homes in what is modern-day Israel, have no right to return to their homes. I'm not even using "homes" metaphorically, I mean there are THOUSANDS of elderly Palestianians who are still alive and have no right to even visit the homes they grew up in.
Dude, ultra-orthodox Jews don't even need to serve in the military, while they illegally expand settlements into Palestinian land where (mostly secular) Israeli kids die to defend their illegally acquired territory. And extra fun, ultra-orthodox Jews who do this are as extreme as the fucking Taliban (we're talking throwing acid into the faces of women who dress immodestly on public transit, forcing women to wear wigs, women prohibited from touching men even in a commercial transaction in a store, etc).
Shaking my head here. The idea of Jews "returning to their land" is fundamentally absurd in this context.
Dude does an Ashkenazi Jewish person LOOK like they've had any connection to that land in the last 2000 years? If so, I guess they developed amazing sunscreen 2000 years ago.
I'll give credit where it's due, I'm at least glad that Sephardic Jews make up 55% of Israel's Jewish population vs 45% Ashkenazi.
Not only am I aware of the rights discrepancy described in your third through fifth paragraphs, I described it as racism in my very first comment to you.
Remember back in 2017 when Trump met with the two Russian Sergies in the white house.It was reported then that Trump had passed on Israeli intelligence to them.Just saying....
| A failure that, given Israeli’s vast intelligence resources is, frankly, incomprehensible.
Perhaps.
However, given a decade in which Israel has had to hold 6 elections so far, maybe it shouldn't be surprising that dysfunction in electoral politics has had ripple through effects which have diminished the capabilities of Israel's security services.
Also, just how motivated should Israeli intelligence operatives be being led by a man who has used every way possible to evade criminal prosecution? That is, maybe Israel would be safer if Netanyahu were in prison. Or at least in court.
I didn’t expect Cori Bush to say #AllLivesMatter but here we are.
| Would suicide bombers attack movie theaters? Would teams of terrorist gunmen open
| fire in shopping malls?
Not many suicide bombers, but plenty of mass shootings in movie theaters and shopping malls. I guess if it's just guns, it's OK. If shooters aren't Muslims, it's OK (so the San Bernardino shooting in 2015 definitely terrorism). The 2nd Amendment Hedge, the Tree of Liberty's cousin, needs regular infusions of the blood of innocents.
The difference between Israel and US is that Israelis have real enemies on their borders. In the US, we're our own worst enemies.
Chickens coming home to roost. Again.
Back in the 60s I stopped reading about Israelis and Palestinians when I realized god was on both their sides.......... uh, let's see, did I say that right?
I have a theory.... and that's all I have.
Charlie says "Fuq these guys" re: the Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs statement.
But was the Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs statement by any chance already something of a "Fuq you" to the United States as well as to Israel? (given that we were supposedly in the middle of negotiating that so-called mega-deal that was going to involve Israel)?
As in "Fuq you, we're the worst frenemy on the planet but you just can't quit us, can you"?
I'd be happy to be wrong about this. But ... ?
You would think Laurence Tribe would know better but I guess not. And generally, is there anything more telling than the deleted post?
How about this: I call on everyone in the middle east to follow international law. It's not that fucking hard.
This includes Hamas that launched a cowardly attack on civilians attending a music festival and the senseless kidnapping of civilians.
And this should also include, Israeli settlers and Israeli soldiers in occupied lands that have killed 227 Palestinians, including 45 children, in the occupied Palestinian territories since January.
That's not even counting the 400 additional deaths in the last 24 hours, oh and hospitals in Palestinian territories can't do much because Israel has cut off all the power (pretty sure that's also a war crime).
Hmmm I just don't seem to recall Charlie or Mona ever making even a passing reference to any of the 227 Palestinians killed by Israel in the last 9 months.
Not blaming you per se, Israeli war crimes are consistent that the steady trickle of Palestinian deaths doesn't register in the news cycle.
Oh and this sort of criticism is commonplace in Israel, but outside of Israel criticising Israel is considered antisemitic.
Oh and worse yet, I'm constantly annoyed by people in the West who instinctively equate Antizionism with antisemitism.
By definition Zionism holds that the land in modern day Israel belongs to Jewish people (nevermind the fact a lot of brown non-Jewish people have lived there for millenia).
FFS the whole notion of a Jewish state is fundamentally racist and offensive--as is the fact that any Dick and Jane who happens to be Jewish has an absolute right to full citizenship whereas Palestinians who have actually lived in their homes in Palestine for GENERATIONS literally have no right to step foot on their own land.
The Hamas attack was a war crime, full stop. But let's not play stupid either. If say, Germany had invaded and controlled the United States after WWII I have absolutely no doubt Americans would respond in the same way (FFS there is a long well-documented history of American war crimes even when their own territory wasn't affected, Vietnam war and the indiscriminate bombing of German civilians in WWII being good examples).
The notion of a Jewish state is not racist. Jews have a right to self-determination, like Ukrainians or Kurds or other peoples. What is racist is the idea that any one people's right to self-determination should override *all* human rights of other peoples who may be in the way.
So you'd be cool with a Muslim state where only Muslims have an automatic right to citizenship while people who are literally still alive who are, say Jewish don't have a right to return to a home they live in for generations?
I mean I guess racist people have the right to "self-determination" but it's pretty universally unacceptable in modern days to do so by displacing people who have inhabited the land for millenia.
No. Just as I wouldn't be cool with a Ukrainian state that expelled or degraded residents of non-Ukrainian ethnicities.
But you're fine with Israel doing the same?
No. Read better.