I guess the sarcasm wasn't laid on heavy enough. No, Austin. Your failure to understand the difference between the dynamics of inner-city gang violence and the violence motivated by alienation from society at large - the paranoia of the MAGA crowd - is much more serious than your failure to get my lame sarcasm.
I'm shocked that you and Will failed to mention Donald Trump as a 'proven rapist' who Nancy Mace also supports. Not a single reporter ever asks Nancy Mace about his attack on E Jean Carroll. And it seems to be a blind spot even for you and Will. I don't know why this is just ignored. He raped this woman.
The immediate kneejerk takes are 'Joe Biden bad'. The other takes are akin to Ben's item 4, 'something something Iraq War', and 'something something neocon Bill Kristol!'
I’m late to the party and guessing others have already said this but: we often say “intelligence failure” before we know anything and then learn it was, in fact, a POLICY failure made with decent intelligence (eg: 9/11 and months of intel to Bush admin culminating in “Bin Laden determined to strike in US”).
My suspicion is the Yom Kippur parallel will prove true in this sense: that warnings came from intelligence and that Netanyahu’s too-right cabinet was unable - through bigotry and hubris - to think an attack was possible. We will see.
It's difficult to distinguish the axe-grinders from the organ-grinders at this early stage, and nether are particularly helpful. Wittes's advice is good in the meantime.
When do we ask what the role of Starlink was in Hamas planning? Mr. Musk who are you? And when do we say that Sen Tuberville is a traitor - and in the parlance of the GOP, should be executed?
I'm pretty sure I can "read better" than you. God that's terrible writing.
Anyway, I guess you have no knowledge of Israeli history?
Literally any person who is Jewish has an automatic right to enter Israel and to have full citizenship.
Whereas Muslim people who literally lived in homes in what is modern-day Israel, have no right to return to their homes. I'm not even using "homes" metaphorically, I mean there are THOUSANDS of elderly Palestianians who are still alive and have no right to even visit the homes they grew up in.
Dude, ultra-orthodox Jews don't even need to serve in the military, while they illegally expand settlements into Palestinian land where (mostly secular) Israeli kids die to defend their illegally acquired territory. And extra fun, ultra-orthodox Jews who do this are as extreme as the fucking Taliban (we're talking throwing acid into the faces of women who dress immodestly on public transit, forcing women to wear wigs, women prohibited from touching men even in a commercial transaction in a store, etc).
Shaking my head here. The idea of Jews "returning to their land" is fundamentally absurd in this context.
Dude does an Ashkenazi Jewish person LOOK like they've had any connection to that land in the last 2000 years? If so, I guess they developed amazing sunscreen 2000 years ago.
I'll give credit where it's due, I'm at least glad that Sephardic Jews make up 55% of Israel's Jewish population vs 45% Ashkenazi.
Not only am I aware of the rights discrepancy described in your third through fifth paragraphs, I described it as racism in my very first comment to you.
Remember back in 2017 when Trump met with the two Russian Sergies in the white house.It was reported then that Trump had passed on Israeli intelligence to them.Just saying....
He showed up yesterday during a Jewish holiday at a prayer service to show solidarity. He isn't Jewish. He doesn't live in the neighborhood. He didn't ask to speak. He wasn't even recognized by name by the leaders of the service.
| A failure that, given Israeli’s vast intelligence resources is, frankly, incomprehensible.
Perhaps.
However, given a decade in which Israel has had to hold 6 elections so far, maybe it shouldn't be surprising that dysfunction in electoral politics has had ripple through effects which have diminished the capabilities of Israel's security services.
Also, just how motivated should Israeli intelligence operatives be being led by a man who has used every way possible to evade criminal prosecution? That is, maybe Israel would be safer if Netanyahu were in prison. Or at least in court.
| Would suicide bombers attack movie theaters? Would teams of terrorist gunmen open
| fire in shopping malls?
Not many suicide bombers, but plenty of mass shootings in movie theaters and shopping malls. I guess if it's just guns, it's OK. If shooters aren't Muslims, it's OK (so the San Bernardino shooting in 2015 definitely terrorism). The 2nd Amendment Hedge, the Tree of Liberty's cousin, needs regular infusions of the blood of innocents.
The difference between Israel and US is that Israelis have real enemies on their borders. In the US, we're our own worst enemies.
Back in the 60s I stopped reading about Israelis and Palestinians when I realized god was on both their sides.......... uh, let's see, did I say that right?
Charlie says "Fuq these guys" re: the Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs statement.
But was the Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs statement by any chance already something of a "Fuq you" to the United States as well as to Israel? (given that we were supposedly in the middle of negotiating that so-called mega-deal that was going to involve Israel)?
As in "Fuq you, we're the worst frenemy on the planet but you just can't quit us, can you"?
I guess the sarcasm wasn't laid on heavy enough. No, Austin. Your failure to understand the difference between the dynamics of inner-city gang violence and the violence motivated by alienation from society at large - the paranoia of the MAGA crowd - is much more serious than your failure to get my lame sarcasm.
I'm shocked that you and Will failed to mention Donald Trump as a 'proven rapist' who Nancy Mace also supports. Not a single reporter ever asks Nancy Mace about his attack on E Jean Carroll. And it seems to be a blind spot even for you and Will. I don't know why this is just ignored. He raped this woman.
The immediate kneejerk takes are 'Joe Biden bad'. The other takes are akin to Ben's item 4, 'something something Iraq War', and 'something something neocon Bill Kristol!'
I’m late to the party and guessing others have already said this but: we often say “intelligence failure” before we know anything and then learn it was, in fact, a POLICY failure made with decent intelligence (eg: 9/11 and months of intel to Bush admin culminating in “Bin Laden determined to strike in US”).
My suspicion is the Yom Kippur parallel will prove true in this sense: that warnings came from intelligence and that Netanyahu’s too-right cabinet was unable - through bigotry and hubris - to think an attack was possible. We will see.
It's difficult to distinguish the axe-grinders from the organ-grinders at this early stage, and nether are particularly helpful. Wittes's advice is good in the meantime.
When do we ask what the role of Starlink was in Hamas planning? Mr. Musk who are you? And when do we say that Sen Tuberville is a traitor - and in the parlance of the GOP, should be executed?
Not sure about Starlink, but all in about Tuberville.
I'm pretty sure I can "read better" than you. God that's terrible writing.
Anyway, I guess you have no knowledge of Israeli history?
Literally any person who is Jewish has an automatic right to enter Israel and to have full citizenship.
Whereas Muslim people who literally lived in homes in what is modern-day Israel, have no right to return to their homes. I'm not even using "homes" metaphorically, I mean there are THOUSANDS of elderly Palestianians who are still alive and have no right to even visit the homes they grew up in.
Dude, ultra-orthodox Jews don't even need to serve in the military, while they illegally expand settlements into Palestinian land where (mostly secular) Israeli kids die to defend their illegally acquired territory. And extra fun, ultra-orthodox Jews who do this are as extreme as the fucking Taliban (we're talking throwing acid into the faces of women who dress immodestly on public transit, forcing women to wear wigs, women prohibited from touching men even in a commercial transaction in a store, etc).
Shaking my head here. The idea of Jews "returning to their land" is fundamentally absurd in this context.
Dude does an Ashkenazi Jewish person LOOK like they've had any connection to that land in the last 2000 years? If so, I guess they developed amazing sunscreen 2000 years ago.
I'll give credit where it's due, I'm at least glad that Sephardic Jews make up 55% of Israel's Jewish population vs 45% Ashkenazi.
Not only am I aware of the rights discrepancy described in your third through fifth paragraphs, I described it as racism in my very first comment to you.
Remember back in 2017 when Trump met with the two Russian Sergies in the white house.It was reported then that Trump had passed on Israeli intelligence to them.Just saying....
Ritchie Torres is my Member of Congress!
He showed up yesterday during a Jewish holiday at a prayer service to show solidarity. He isn't Jewish. He doesn't live in the neighborhood. He didn't ask to speak. He wasn't even recognized by name by the leaders of the service.
There are still good Members of Congress.
| A failure that, given Israeli’s vast intelligence resources is, frankly, incomprehensible.
Perhaps.
However, given a decade in which Israel has had to hold 6 elections so far, maybe it shouldn't be surprising that dysfunction in electoral politics has had ripple through effects which have diminished the capabilities of Israel's security services.
Also, just how motivated should Israeli intelligence operatives be being led by a man who has used every way possible to evade criminal prosecution? That is, maybe Israel would be safer if Netanyahu were in prison. Or at least in court.
I didn’t expect Cori Bush to say #AllLivesMatter but here we are.
| Would suicide bombers attack movie theaters? Would teams of terrorist gunmen open
| fire in shopping malls?
Not many suicide bombers, but plenty of mass shootings in movie theaters and shopping malls. I guess if it's just guns, it's OK. If shooters aren't Muslims, it's OK (so the San Bernardino shooting in 2015 definitely terrorism). The 2nd Amendment Hedge, the Tree of Liberty's cousin, needs regular infusions of the blood of innocents.
The difference between Israel and US is that Israelis have real enemies on their borders. In the US, we're our own worst enemies.
Chickens coming home to roost. Again.
Back in the 60s I stopped reading about Israelis and Palestinians when I realized god was on both their sides.......... uh, let's see, did I say that right?
I have a theory.... and that's all I have.
Charlie says "Fuq these guys" re: the Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs statement.
But was the Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs statement by any chance already something of a "Fuq you" to the United States as well as to Israel? (given that we were supposedly in the middle of negotiating that so-called mega-deal that was going to involve Israel)?
As in "Fuq you, we're the worst frenemy on the planet but you just can't quit us, can you"?
I'd be happy to be wrong about this. But ... ?
You would think Laurence Tribe would know better but I guess not. And generally, is there anything more telling than the deleted post?