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"A once-respected, apparently normal Republican politician looks in the mirror one day and decides, to hell with it, I’m going all-in on the insanity." YES YOU ARE CORRECT... Mike Lee is a creep in person and is only interested in kissing the ring and hoping for some kind of administration appointment if his so-called king once again hoodwinks the voting public and grabs the presidency for a second time :-(

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"Lee’s descent into conspiracism raises familiar questions. Our former colleague Andrew Egger writes: 'Hard to think of a worse heel turn in all of politics than Mike Lee suddenly realizing getting ‘base’ was the way to the heart of the world’s dumbest people and becoming a willing accessory to whitewashing January 6'.”

Lee finally figured out what Elon Musk did a year or 2 ago, and what Trump merely "fell into by accident" a decade ago. That the paranoid authoritarian "masses" are the easiest people to scam. They never need no stinkin' evidence for anything they desperately want to believe. You can even tell lies that are obvious to any liberal or old-style conservative. Heck, you can even contradict yourself, and still have them eating out of your hands I first notced that with the anti-evolution movement decades ago. It would be comical how peddlers of evolution denial can'r agree among themselves which of the mutually-contradictory, long debunked alternatives is the correct one. It would be, if the "masses" didn't just gobble it up and ask for more.

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Susan Sarandon went over the intellectual cliff and never came back...

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Susan Sarandon went over the intellectual cliff and never came back...

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Nov 20, 2023·edited Nov 20, 2023

Come on man; Buckley wasn’t writing like this in the late 60s and 70s; everyone changed during that time; you picking something like you have isn’t the sum of the man.

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Some of them are followers of the Steve Bannon strategy of destroying a government in order to bring in an authoritarian.

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Charlie awesome job. I for one would love an even more in depth review of ‘pocket constitution’ guy when the mood strikes. Maybe something about zealots or cuckold senators, or a time he pulled that pocket bible out on someone? You always know best!

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Wow. Susan Saradon of Thelma and Louise fame. When did she decide to kneel to Trump's fat ass? Too bad. I thought she was smart.

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So, I took a look at the article you're linking. I can read Hebrew, so I just read it, but since I'm sure you won't take what I'm about to say on faith, you can double check me with some Hebrew translators. I personally recommend doitinhebrew, reachable here https://www.doitinhebrew.com/Translate/default.aspx?kb=IL%20Hebrew%20Phonetic

but some decent alternatives are Milog https://milog.co.il/ morfix https://www.morfix.co.il/ or Lexilogos as a dictionary ssearcher. https://www.lexilogos.com/english/hebrew_modern_dictionary.htm

Quite simply, the article does not say what you are claiming it does. The headline is about how Hamas didn't know about the music festival in advance, and must have made an on-the-fly adjustment to their plan of attack to hit it. Most of the article is bringing up facts pertaining to this conclusion, stuff like how they approached from route 232, and not from the direct route from the Gaza fence, or a claimed video from a body camera taken off one of the Hamas fighters showing him interrogating someone asking for directions to get to the music festival.

There is, however, one sentence which tangentially addresses your point. It says as follows

לדברי גורם במשטרה, מתחקיר של האירוע עולה גם כי מסוק קרב של צה"ל שהגיע למקום מבסיס רמת דוד ירה לעבר המחבלים וככל הנראה פגע גם בכמה מהחוגגים ששהו במקום.

In English, that would be 'according to the words of a source from the police, an investigation revealed a Tzahal (IDF) helicopter that arrived at the scene from Ramat David base. He fired at the terrorists and also hit some partygoers who were nearby.'

The verb that most closely touches on your claim is פגע. It is a word that means harmed or hurt, but is more often used to talk about emotional injuries or to insult. You do not see words like הרג 'kill' רצח 'murder' שחט 'slaughter'. You don't even see הכה, which is also to hit and carries a much more fatal connotation than other words also meaning hitting like סטירה or הרואין. You do see נהרגו with the הרג root later, when talking about the overall death toll caused by Hamas, so it's not like our article writer doesn't know the word.

There is nothing in there claiming that the Israeli helicopter killed a festival goer. At most it is a plausible inference from a notion that someone was hit by fire aimed at המחבלים. There is certainly nothing suggesting that the original tweeter, claiming it was deliberate murder, is anywhere close to being accurate.

I figure there are two possibilities here. Either

A) You had no idea what the article actually said, saw someone claiming it proved that the Israelis admitted that the IDF killed their own people and just ran with it because it fits your preconceptions

Or

B) You do have enough Hebrew skills or just ran it through a translator, found out what it actually said, and then decided to lie about it to score internet points.

I suppose I'm interested in a sort of academic sense, but in a practical one it doesn't really matter. The notion that this is grounds for a retraction or apology is absurd, and your 'source' doesn't say anything close to what you're claiming it has. I thnk retractions are cowardly, but I think an admission from you as to what your motives are for quoting an article that doesn't actually support your claim is warranted.

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"Apple and IBM, two of X's biggest tech advertisers, both said they would pause advertising on X. Lionsgate, Disney, Comcast/NBCU, Paramount, Warner Bros. Discovery and other firms also paused their marketing."

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Ok, Musk plans on going thermonuclear on MMfA, this must be his new bugaboo (yet another truthteller holding him to account). I still wonder when he will try to shift the blame onto the ADL, and Jews in general, for his mismanagement and destruction of Xitter, not just their contributions to his loss in revenue and the extreme devaluation of the company -- for which he also blames them, not just Media Matters.

Everyone knows that if it weren't for the Libs, Leftists and Jews Xitter would not have lost valuation, it would actually be worth much more than his purchase price. He can't be held accountable because... richest man in the world. Plus, he is such an astute businessman that everything he touches turns to gold and achieves perfection like his previous god: the Amber Australopithecus -- before he threw his support over to DeSantis.

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Elon sounds just like the Dumpster. Sue everybody when they criticize you.

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I think the man-child is pissed that there is no such thing as a Reverse Class Action Lawsuit, where he can sue an entire Class: Jewish people, instead of a Class of people suing a single entity or even a few.

Make the temples in America collectively pay him for lost revenue from advertisers pulling out of Xitter because their ads ran next to some of the most vile anti-Semitism on social media, outside of "Truth" Social, and don't want to be affiliated in *any* way;

Make them pay for loss of future revenue because Jews are so thin-skinned and can't take a joke that they would punish the companies whose ads continue to run along side this trash;

Above all, make them pay for the extreme loss in value of the company since he bought it, there's no way he can possibly be at fault because... richest man in the world.

fnord

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Speaking of Elon...I'm suddenly getting email ads to

sign up for Star Link.

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He'll be starting a GoFundMe next.

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🤪🤣

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This just in, the guy who played a key role in plotting the paperwork coup, AKA the conspiracy to overthrow our republic, would like you to know that the act intended to be its concluding crescendo, the would-be coup-de-grace, may actually have been a plot by the FBI. Not a plot by Trump, who openly exhorted his supporters to come to the Capitol on Jan 6th, telling them that they had to "fight like hell" or else they weren't "gonna have a country anymore". And certainly not a plot by him.

In particular, he's very upset that the Jan 6th committee didn't spend their time staring at the Jan 6th footage just enough to spot little imaginary clues to trigger conspiracy theories that they would then not attempt to debunk. He's not a big fan of Occam's razor, you see, especially when it would lead to investigators spending their time looking at who sent what text message to whom and whatnot. For example, the text from Lee to Mark Meadows about how Lee was “spending 14 hours a day” trying to figure out how to turn an election loss into a win by force of will. Or say, this one, also from Lee to Meadows:

“I’ve been calling state legislators for hours today and am going to spend hours doing the same tomorrow. I’m trying to figure out a path I can persuasively defend...We need something from state legislatures to make this legitimate and to have any hope of winning. Even if they can’t convene, it might be enough if a majority of them are willing to sign a statement indicating how they would vote,” Lee said.

What was Lee trying to accomplish here? How about what's that shiny object over there? Why isn't anyone paying attention to the shiny object I just noticed someone on the internet notice on the Jan 6th tape, which seemingly shows from the inside what we all saw happen on the outside. Remember, what you're seeing and reading isn't what's happening. Everyone knows the FBI is woke bastion of Trump-hating communists, and that twinkly-dink there is clearly possibly maybe a badge from the organization that dragged its heels on this investigation so hard it had to have a handful of politicians dig up all the evidence for them so that they could prosecute him two and a half years later.

The American people have questions, and Mike Lee wants them to know he has answers. Much better answers than the real answers they've already been given, because these answers don't make him appear to be a traitor to his country.

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Okay, so Mike Lee goes full conspiracy, posts something anyone with Google could debunk and then doubles down.

Yawn.

He'll make a fortune on this. There is no disincentive. There are lots of incentives. He can have that Senate seat as long as it suits him, just like Josh Hawley, Ted Cruz and the rest of them.

Here's what I'd like to see: someone from the Reality-Based World get on Fox News or NewsMax or OAN or any of the other places Mike Lee's voters get their news and actually say something about this. And then, probably won't happen, but get Mike Lee to address the actual facts of this case.

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Yawn? Seems like we should care about this since Lee's voters will believe every word of it.

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Nov 20, 2023·edited Nov 20, 2023

"someone from the Reality-Based World get on Fox News or NewsMax or OAN or any of the other places Mike Lee's voters get their news and actually say something about this"

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Wishcasting, ain't gonna happen. Fox News already saw what happens to their viewership when it no longer whole-heartedly supported the Amber Australopithecus and fired the cheerleader-in-chief Tucker Carlson.

Fox has at least partially capitulated to the demands of the MAGAverse knuckle draggers, and NewsMax nor OAN left the fold in the first place. Reality has no place on these, or any other hard right media sources, if they look to their bottom lines. The rubes must be appeased.

As an aside: I find it extremely scary that 14% of Americans over 18, in total, get their news from Tik Tok: the 18-29 demographic comes in at 32% and the 30-49 is at 15%. (https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/11/15/more-americans-are-getting-news-on-tiktok-bucking-the-trend-seen-on-most-other-social-media-sites/)

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Chris Christie somehow got on all those outlets and said his piece. On every one he got something like acceptance of what he was saying from the hosts. It can be done if there's a will to do it.

And I think it's important to do it. I mean, it's like an antibiotic to this misinformation disease.

Right now, the infection just runs rampant because there's nothing fighting it.

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Nov 20, 2023·edited Nov 20, 2023

Unfortunately, Gov Christie is an exception, as are the occasional Dems (other than RFK, Jr who is a DINO) who get invited on to face off against the talking heads. I believe that Christie would not have been invited to appear if he wasn't a primary candidate for the New GOP nomination for POTUS.

I agree that it is important for pols who disagree with the direction of the Repub party to get on-air time, but without an invite they won't appear on any of the prime time opinion/editorialist shows (these are not news shows by any stretch of the imagination) -- and these invites are rare. Most often it appears that these invites are for the purpose of denigrating the guest for the entertainment of the audience.

As I said, these media sources are pandering to the MAGAverse. A loss in viewership not only detrimentally affects the rates charged for advertising, it also leads to lower carriage fees; both anathemas to their profitability.

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Why are so many of our country mates mentally ill.?. It is not just that there are people angry about their financial problems. This is a capitalist society where the really rich are not even paying taxes. But the people like me, a Democrat who is not rich by any means is not angry. Actually, I would not want to be rich and spend the rest of my life worrying every day about the stock market. So, what is it? Are they starving? I don't see Mike Lee starving. I don't envy the MAGAS and Mike Lee. They are so filled with hatred that one day they will implode. I don't think that they can even enjoy life, how could they?

Maybe it has to do with religion. They thought that if they prayed their lives would be suddenly great. But it did not happen, and now they lash at the world. Life is not easy, it is filled with challenges, sorrow, disappointments, but we the sane accept that and most of all enjoy being alive. We are capable to look at a sunset, or a bird, or a beautiful tree and feel rich because nature is making us rich. I don't live in La La Land, this world is scary, I just vote Democratic and gather strength from nature for the days to come that may be very ugly.

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Wonderfully said. But, I wonder if those of us who are sand and not hateful and bigoted will get trampled by all these crazies.

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Well said Jeanette

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I have a friend that continually tells me that "God will provide". I continually tell her that God will provide "YOU" the brains. It's than up to you do "provide" the rest.

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Mike Lee is the perfect example of those who are tested and reveal they never had any true integrity.

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I also believe that many like Mike Lee are just damn afraid of Trump & his legions of wackadoodle disciples. Afraid of being shot, or beaten with a hammer! It only takes one crazed Trump follower to cause much grief for a member of congress & his/her family. I’m at a loss to explain the surrender to Trumpism any other way! ALTHOUGH, the stupid have succeeded in the takeover of the repellican party, and to show thought is to lose votes🤪!

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Regarding the ruling on Trump's eligibility in Colorado, this may not turn out well for him in the end. Sounds like the judge wants someone else to make the ruling that he is not eligible. That's the legal part of the ruling, which is what the state supreme court and possibly SCOTUS will be looking at and deciding whether to overrule. The factual part of the ruling, which appellate courts usually give great deference to, was that he is an insurrectionist. So any appellate court merely has to agree with that fact and just make the opposite determination on whether it disqualifies him.

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DAS, I certainly hope that you are right, but I fear not, and I despair of liberal democracy. It seems to me that this ruling tells me all I need to know about America 2023: That it will have to succumb to authoritarianism, that its liberal democracy simply doesn't have the courage or the resources to defend itself.

The judge enumerates all of Trump's participation in insurrection, and also his failure to use tools at his disposal to quell that insurrection. But in the end, she stops to ponder the word "officer" as though it were some eighteenth century linguistic curiousity ( like "emolument", for example), turning it, twisting it, noting that the (19th century) framers of the 14th amendment didn't directly apply the word to the President, though they did apply it to Senators and Congressmen. Let me make my point more clearly: didn't directly apply the word "officer" to the holder of the office of the presidency. For Christ's bloody sake, HE'S AN OFFICER!!!!

Why in God's name is this the reason NOT to uphold the appeal to law? If this is how liberal democracy works, we are indeed doomed. This is why people appeal to authoritarians, and authoritarians appeal to people. Authoritarians over simplify, and the masses need that. Unfortunately, the world is generally complicated. However, in this particular case, it is not at all complicated. Is the President of the United States an officer of the United States? BLOODY WELL OF COURSE HE IS! Is the CEO of a corporation an officer of that corporation? Of course he is.

We have a war to fight against the one of darkest forces of the world, authoritarianism, we have a man pinned to the wall as an insurrectionist authoritarian, and we let him off over a quibbling non-argument like this? How can we expect to succeed? I am almost in tears reading this inane finding, in tears for this country.

It really is that bad.

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“America your roof is on fire”

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