In all honesty, in my field, I've been through purges, been verbally abused, stalked - the behavior started degrading under trump 1.0 and is now just all out do/say what you want - company policies be damned. I saw zero accountability when I was at Boeing.
I personally am not sure how we call ourselves "civil" if you can say/do egregious behavior in public spaces - to include sporting tats that espouse your hatred.
wulp… it seems to depend on “WHO” has those tattoos?
(and the rules, target(s) change by the hour - on any given day)
ICE has “no problem” with (checks notes)… anything?…. until they decide it’s a ‘problem’? (one has an accent? a certain skin tone?…. relatives - however distant?… ) There’s a pattern and several precedents for all of this.
TY... but I'll offer an apology for my choice of words. It wasn't the first or even the second thought that came to mind and, at least, I used asterisks. LOL!
I was thinking the same thing-White Supremacy is his message....There are references to the Knights of the Templar-a crusades sect that was highly unpopular...this is such a cautionary tale especially during these times of the popularity of tattoos these days....
Any one of us commenting here is on the list. We have left a paper trail of our contempt for the King. We may be further down on the list, but we are on it nevertheless. Everyone should know by now that Trump has no boundaries and the more lines he gets to cross unchallenged, the more he will continue to cross. There is no point at which he will stop and say “ok, that’s enough.” Not of his own volition. We the people are going to have to decide where the line is and start pushing him back. So far I don’t see that happening in any meaningful way. Our legislators and the media have abdicated their responsibility. It’s up to us. There will come a point of no return, though. I don’t think we are there yet, but it is closing in on us.
It really could be anyone. Someone who is for Trump, but has the wrong color skin. Someone against him and a Daughter of the Revolution or Mayflower. The people making decisions there are not right in the head.
Apparently, anyone convicted of harming a Tesla. Here's his latest rant on Truth Social:
“I look forward to watching the sick terrorist thugs get 20 year jail sentences for what they are doing to Elon Musk and Tesla. Perhaps they could serve them in the prisons of El Salvador, which have become so recently famous for such lovely conditions!”
He's already saying that even US citizens can be deported. Obviously just jailing people in their home country isn't sadistic enough for this sick swine.
Obviously this is awe full but it goes beyond this case. There's horror stories of ICE and Border Patrol subjecting German and British citizens on various Visa's to humiliating and frightening encounters at airports for minor poorly explained reasons. Strip searches, long duration detention and questioning. There's a lot of MAGA imbedded in all levels of Law Enforcement in the US and they've all been ginned up for abusive action. If I was a tourist I wouldn't come to the US now
A good friend of mine warned me not to buy red shoes for my son when I told her he would start walking to school. She told me the police might interpret it as a gang sign. If we are not free to dress how we like or get tattoos that inspire or are simply a flight of fancy, are any of us free? If most people will not speak up, are we brave? How can anyone sing our national anthem with pride if the last line isn't true?
I mean, our national anthem is just a repurposed English drinking song written after the last time we tried to invade Canada. We need to switch to America the Beautiful.
On the tats - MAGA messaging is dumbed down to be consumed by those who want to point to superficial marks, sexual orientation, ethnicity or skin color to say "THEY DON'T BELONG." Why not tats?
Let's review groups trump has spewed hate at: minorities, women (no jobs or power for you!), vets, disabled people, LGBTQ+, fellow Republicans (current and former), foreigners (allies).
That he won't point out some tic and turn on his own supporters (the price of eggs and the decimation of the stock market, firing of federal workers, says he already has) is proof that no one is safe.
The people crying the loudest are his voters that thought they wouldn't be affected. Let the MAGA tears flow.
“The ultimate piece of hubris is ‘We don’t know anything about them, that’s why we have to get rid of them,’” said Charles Kuck, an Atlanta-based immigration lawyer. “George Washington and John Adams are rolling over in their graves right now.”
“Ultimate piece of hubris”? This guy Kuck, is being too kind!
So let me get this straight? If you have a criminal record, you’re deportable; and if you have never even had a traffic ticket, never mind arrested for a crime, that makes you even worse, because we don’t know anything about you! Huh????
This is the same twisted logic, and circular argument that makes one’s head want to implode. Seriously, how do you debate STUPID?????
That said, I agree with removing criminal elements, however, let’s define “criminal record,” for the sake of argument, as one who has committed a violent crime, or felony; other than entering the US illegally and applying for asylum. And let’s not confuse these people for the millions, who come here legally, by walking up to a legal US border station, seeking asylum. According to Trump, they’re criminals as well.
And I agree, criminals should be removed. We prioritized criminal removal under Biden; the same went for Obama. The issue here is “due process.”
We have no idea if these people are criminals, because the administration won’t even release their names, or offenses that they supposedly committed, other than having tattoos; which last I checked, wasn’t a crime.
Thus, we must trust Dear Leader and his coterie of the Best and Brightest; however, even though, they would only be considered the “best and brightest under one condition; they are currently residing at Bellevue.
Therefore, as far as I’m concerned, this is a bridge too far! I wouldn’t trust this administration as far as I can spit! Trump twists real issues with smokescreens, confusing the public into believing we have been invaded by rapists and murderers, or his policies are really common sense solutions.; they’re not!
As HL Mencken once said, “Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers!”
And with Trump and his acolytes, there’s nothing common about what they are trying to accomplish.
MAGA wants to deport Palestinians and liberal professors at elite colleges, so MAGA can mold these private institutions to into bastions of conservative thought; or what passes for conservatism nowadays. Therefore, MAGA created Smokescreen” antisemitism, by claiming everyone who disagrees with Israel’s stance in Gaza is a Terrorist.
MAGA wants to rid our government of unqualified people, so he using smokescreen DEI as an excuse to purge all government agencies of women, minorities, the LGBTQ community; or anyone else deemed not loyal enough to Dear Leader.
MAGA wants to torment immigrants, so he creates Smokescreen immigration, and decides anyone with a tattoo must be in a gang, and are hereby deemed terrorists by Executive Order; allowing him to deport people without due process.
Finally, just remember, once the purges start, it takes on a life of its own; we’re seeing it up close and in real-time. And in the end, it never ends well for anyone, especially America! Just a thought!…:)
How many ICE enforcers have tattoos? Or sheriffs and their deputies? Lots of people have tattoos in the US. What about those who don't have tattoos? Are they hiding something?
Wrong. They didn't send gang members to that hellish prison; they didn't know that all tattoos are not bad. They says they are all murderers and gang members; that's not true. They need to fly back and get a trial.
After tattoos, next will be “they LOOKED illegal” - whatever the HELL that means.
We’re terrified for our neighbors & loved ones who have varying shades of brown skin, varying colors of dark hair, hair that is either straight or curly. Some have tattoos.
Bottom line: They do not look white European.
Their ethnicity includes Hispanic, Brazilian, Iranian, Syrian, Palestinian.
“Looking illegal” is just about all ICE has to go on when detaining people in the US. But it’s not a sufficient basis for reasonable suspicion even to detain, much less probable cause to effect an arrest. Your neighbors should refuse to talk to ICE.
Nickson - had a relative years ago who was in law enforcement. In a training session for testifying about arrests following a traffic stop, the trainer explained they could use any of these reasonable-suspicion positions:
a) the subject was driving over the speed limit in violation of [ordinance #] so I pulled him over;
b) the subject was driving below the speed limit which raised my suspicion based on my years of training & professional experience;
c) the subject was driving exactly at the speed limit, which is extremely unusual and suspicious, based on my years of training & professional experience.
The decisive factor may eventually be, how do the subject's budget & legal resources stack up against those of the State?
Item (c) is truly a “wow,” although cruise control has been a thing for decades. A few years ago, I had a cop in the OG KKK state, IN (he was a local cop from some hick town, but IN provides the *uckers with statewide jurisdiction), follow me and my blue state tags for about 10 miles, so I believe it. I had adaptive cruise set to 71 in a 70 (naughty, naughty). I’m genetically swarthy-ish, but my license-plate bracket proclaims the name of my fancy law school. Mr. KKK eventually fucked off.
Sadly, that’s usually the case, ie, those with the most legal resources win.
Doesn’t Mr Hegseth have a tattoo? Just sayin’
Several. And he was reported due to them being about white supremacy.
White Supremacy...now ICE has no problem with those tattoos.
Agree.
In all honesty, in my field, I've been through purges, been verbally abused, stalked - the behavior started degrading under trump 1.0 and is now just all out do/say what you want - company policies be damned. I saw zero accountability when I was at Boeing.
I personally am not sure how we call ourselves "civil" if you can say/do egregious behavior in public spaces - to include sporting tats that espouse your hatred.
wulp… it seems to depend on “WHO” has those tattoos?
(and the rules, target(s) change by the hour - on any given day)
ICE has “no problem” with (checks notes)… anything?…. until they decide it’s a ‘problem’? (one has an accent? a certain skin tone?…. relatives - however distant?… ) There’s a pattern and several precedents for all of this.
He does but, in his case, the reason to deport him or remove him as SECDEF is because he is an utter d***head!
Very well said!
TY... but I'll offer an apology for my choice of words. It wasn't the first or even the second thought that came to mind and, at least, I used asterisks. LOL!
And has issues with substance abuse, assault….tats are related to symbols associated with white supremacy groups…
AND he’s also a dickhead
yup - all good reasons to have NOT confirmed him or to remove or deport him
ANY of these would work? (in a semi-normal, non-Orwellian world)
I was thinking the same thing-White Supremacy is his message....There are references to the Knights of the Templar-a crusades sect that was highly unpopular...this is such a cautionary tale especially during these times of the popularity of tattoos these days....
Came here to say just this...
Who's next? That's the next question that should be on everyone's mind. What group next?
Any one of us commenting here is on the list. We have left a paper trail of our contempt for the King. We may be further down on the list, but we are on it nevertheless. Everyone should know by now that Trump has no boundaries and the more lines he gets to cross unchallenged, the more he will continue to cross. There is no point at which he will stop and say “ok, that’s enough.” Not of his own volition. We the people are going to have to decide where the line is and start pushing him back. So far I don’t see that happening in any meaningful way. Our legislators and the media have abdicated their responsibility. It’s up to us. There will come a point of no return, though. I don’t think we are there yet, but it is closing in on us.
Yeah, expect AI generated "libel" claims to start to be mailed out to individuals in Q3 26.
Always assume it will be you and plan for the worst in a few ways - resisting and creating a safe haven for you and your family.
To wait is to be a sitting duck. The choice is ours.
It really could be anyone. Someone who is for Trump, but has the wrong color skin. Someone against him and a Daughter of the Revolution or Mayflower. The people making decisions there are not right in the head.
I worked with men who always had a group to hate on. If you practice hate, dehumanization is the next step. That is what lead to the Holocaust.
I trust no one who has a group they hate. That is a poison pill for self destruction.
Apparently, anyone convicted of harming a Tesla. Here's his latest rant on Truth Social:
“I look forward to watching the sick terrorist thugs get 20 year jail sentences for what they are doing to Elon Musk and Tesla. Perhaps they could serve them in the prisons of El Salvador, which have become so recently famous for such lovely conditions!”
He's already saying that even US citizens can be deported. Obviously just jailing people in their home country isn't sadistic enough for this sick swine.
Democrats, using voter registries.
Obviously this is awe full but it goes beyond this case. There's horror stories of ICE and Border Patrol subjecting German and British citizens on various Visa's to humiliating and frightening encounters at airports for minor poorly explained reasons. Strip searches, long duration detention and questioning. There's a lot of MAGA imbedded in all levels of Law Enforcement in the US and they've all been ginned up for abusive action. If I was a tourist I wouldn't come to the US now
Be interesting to see a comparison between 2024 tourist figures and 2025. . .
Maybe they're thinking they'll make up for the lack of tourism with MAGA boat parades or something.
A good friend of mine warned me not to buy red shoes for my son when I told her he would start walking to school. She told me the police might interpret it as a gang sign. If we are not free to dress how we like or get tattoos that inspire or are simply a flight of fancy, are any of us free? If most people will not speak up, are we brave? How can anyone sing our national anthem with pride if the last line isn't true?
I mean, our national anthem is just a repurposed English drinking song written after the last time we tried to invade Canada. We need to switch to America the Beautiful.
Please give this a listen - amazing artist among those writing protest songs today;
repurposing imagery from various of our anthems & documents. She has lyrics in the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glpimIE0GbU
"Oh, promises...
can we rise up and yet fulfill?"
Namoli Brennet - Flag 💔
On the tats - MAGA messaging is dumbed down to be consumed by those who want to point to superficial marks, sexual orientation, ethnicity or skin color to say "THEY DON'T BELONG." Why not tats?
Let's review groups trump has spewed hate at: minorities, women (no jobs or power for you!), vets, disabled people, LGBTQ+, fellow Republicans (current and former), foreigners (allies).
That he won't point out some tic and turn on his own supporters (the price of eggs and the decimation of the stock market, firing of federal workers, says he already has) is proof that no one is safe.
The people crying the loudest are his voters that thought they wouldn't be affected. Let the MAGA tears flow.
34 felonies make a criminal. No criminal record does not. Neither does a tattoo. Racism is all it's about. Sickening.
I guess now we all need to go out and get tattoos saying “Deport me, asshole!”
Don’t worry he will! He’s now suggesting that those who have vandalized Tesla products should be sent to El Salvador as well.
Trump...bullshit
Any one else see a connection here?
Correlation equals causation?
“The ultimate piece of hubris is ‘We don’t know anything about them, that’s why we have to get rid of them,’” said Charles Kuck, an Atlanta-based immigration lawyer. “George Washington and John Adams are rolling over in their graves right now.”
“Ultimate piece of hubris”? This guy Kuck, is being too kind!
So let me get this straight? If you have a criminal record, you’re deportable; and if you have never even had a traffic ticket, never mind arrested for a crime, that makes you even worse, because we don’t know anything about you! Huh????
This is the same twisted logic, and circular argument that makes one’s head want to implode. Seriously, how do you debate STUPID?????
That said, I agree with removing criminal elements, however, let’s define “criminal record,” for the sake of argument, as one who has committed a violent crime, or felony; other than entering the US illegally and applying for asylum. And let’s not confuse these people for the millions, who come here legally, by walking up to a legal US border station, seeking asylum. According to Trump, they’re criminals as well.
And I agree, criminals should be removed. We prioritized criminal removal under Biden; the same went for Obama. The issue here is “due process.”
We have no idea if these people are criminals, because the administration won’t even release their names, or offenses that they supposedly committed, other than having tattoos; which last I checked, wasn’t a crime.
Thus, we must trust Dear Leader and his coterie of the Best and Brightest; however, even though, they would only be considered the “best and brightest under one condition; they are currently residing at Bellevue.
Therefore, as far as I’m concerned, this is a bridge too far! I wouldn’t trust this administration as far as I can spit! Trump twists real issues with smokescreens, confusing the public into believing we have been invaded by rapists and murderers, or his policies are really common sense solutions.; they’re not!
As HL Mencken once said, “Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers!”
And with Trump and his acolytes, there’s nothing common about what they are trying to accomplish.
MAGA wants to deport Palestinians and liberal professors at elite colleges, so MAGA can mold these private institutions to into bastions of conservative thought; or what passes for conservatism nowadays. Therefore, MAGA created Smokescreen” antisemitism, by claiming everyone who disagrees with Israel’s stance in Gaza is a Terrorist.
MAGA wants to rid our government of unqualified people, so he using smokescreen DEI as an excuse to purge all government agencies of women, minorities, the LGBTQ community; or anyone else deemed not loyal enough to Dear Leader.
MAGA wants to torment immigrants, so he creates Smokescreen immigration, and decides anyone with a tattoo must be in a gang, and are hereby deemed terrorists by Executive Order; allowing him to deport people without due process.
Finally, just remember, once the purges start, it takes on a life of its own; we’re seeing it up close and in real-time. And in the end, it never ends well for anyone, especially America! Just a thought!…:)
Kuck, the immigration attorney, is actually in agreement with you.
Thank you, my bad; I misread it, and changed my comment to reflect it…:)
The last name threw me for a loop. Upon rereading I realized that.
✌️
How many ICE enforcers have tattoos? Or sheriffs and their deputies? Lots of people have tattoos in the US. What about those who don't have tattoos? Are they hiding something?
max - can't you see the difference between good guy tattoos & bad hombre tattoos? I wonder if maybe has something to do with the background hue?
That background hue is part of it, I'm sure. But I saw a photo of one of the young men who was swept up and he was fair skinned.
It was easier when we just went with white hats and black hats in the Westerns.
And like I said, what about people with no tattoos? What are they hiding???
Raising my hand - I have tattoos, all my kids and spouses have tattoos - 3 have full sleeves…. And almost all of us are veterans.
Wrong. They didn't send gang members to that hellish prison; they didn't know that all tattoos are not bad. They says they are all murderers and gang members; that's not true. They need to fly back and get a trial.
National Hands Off protest on Saturday, April 5th. An assertive way to show none of this is right. https://handsoff2025.com/
I'm carpooling!
During WWII, when all Danish Jews were forced by the Nazis to wear a yellow star, King Christian suggested that ALL Danes should wear one.
Perhaps we could all get a gang tattoo?
I am Spartacus... but squeamish about needles😯
Doesn't have to be a REAL tat! - Henna will do it too. . .
From the piece: “ Alex’s crime? Not a tattoo, but he had doodled his hometown area code in class and a devil with horns—the school mascot.,,,”
So do they blame that “woke” school for what happened?
All I can say is, I'm using this as further evidence my kid shouldn't get tats.
After tattoos, next will be “they LOOKED illegal” - whatever the HELL that means.
We’re terrified for our neighbors & loved ones who have varying shades of brown skin, varying colors of dark hair, hair that is either straight or curly. Some have tattoos.
Bottom line: They do not look white European.
Their ethnicity includes Hispanic, Brazilian, Iranian, Syrian, Palestinian.
It’s beginning to feel very Nazi like.
We’re terrified.
“Looking illegal” is just about all ICE has to go on when detaining people in the US. But it’s not a sufficient basis for reasonable suspicion even to detain, much less probable cause to effect an arrest. Your neighbors should refuse to talk to ICE.
Nickson - had a relative years ago who was in law enforcement. In a training session for testifying about arrests following a traffic stop, the trainer explained they could use any of these reasonable-suspicion positions:
a) the subject was driving over the speed limit in violation of [ordinance #] so I pulled him over;
b) the subject was driving below the speed limit which raised my suspicion based on my years of training & professional experience;
c) the subject was driving exactly at the speed limit, which is extremely unusual and suspicious, based on my years of training & professional experience.
The decisive factor may eventually be, how do the subject's budget & legal resources stack up against those of the State?
Item (c) is truly a “wow,” although cruise control has been a thing for decades. A few years ago, I had a cop in the OG KKK state, IN (he was a local cop from some hick town, but IN provides the *uckers with statewide jurisdiction), follow me and my blue state tags for about 10 miles, so I believe it. I had adaptive cruise set to 71 in a 70 (naughty, naughty). I’m genetically swarthy-ish, but my license-plate bracket proclaims the name of my fancy law school. Mr. KKK eventually fucked off.
Sadly, that’s usually the case, ie, those with the most legal resources win.
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