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The World Order

November 23, 2022

Episode Notes

Eric and Eliot welcome Georgetown Professor Emeritus Robert Lieber to discuss his new book, Indispensable Nation. They discuss the nature of the “rules-based” international order, the unique role that U.S. policy plays in sustaining the order, the true disruptive challenges to the order, the nature of political opposition to a robust U.S. foreign policy, political “realism” and its flaws, as well as the increasing challenges for teaching of international relations in the academy.

Shield of the Republic is a Bulwark podcast co-sponsored by the Miller Center of Public Affairs at the University of Virginia. Email us with your feedback at [email protected]

Eliot’s “Cut the Baloney Realism” or “Stop Talking About Talking” (

Robert Lieber’s Indispensable Nation (

Robert Lieber’s Retreat And Its Consequences (

Team America: World Police Hans Blix Scene (

Andrey Sushentsov and William Wohlforth’s “The tragedy of US–Russian relations: NATO centrality and the revisionists’ spiral” (

John Mearsheimer’s Revealing Interview With The New Yorker (

“Yes, It’s Anti-Semitic:” Eliot’s Review of The Israel Lobby by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt (

Robert Lieber’s Review of John Mearsheimer’s The Tragedy of Great Power Politics (

Eric and David Kramer’s “Now Is Not the Time to Negotiate with Putin” (

Eric and David Kramer’s “Don’t Go Wobbly on Ukraine” (

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