I have a similar viewpoint. Still sing in a choir, even one cousin still a nun. I certainly don't think Vance understands the mindset of the pro-life Catholics who are against nuclear weapons, the death penalty ANd against abortion. Pro-life has no meaning unless it include support for life in all spheres.
I have a similar viewpoint. Still sing in a choir, even one cousin still a nun. I certainly don't think Vance understands the mindset of the pro-life Catholics who are against nuclear weapons, the death penalty ANd against abortion. Pro-life has no meaning unless it include support for life in all spheres.
But Catholics still donтАЩt respect the life of the mother, who is already a living, breathing human being, and can have other children. I am a lapsed Catholic for this and many other reasons.
I'm also lapsed for a number of reasons. Part of what finally pushed me out the door was my former Archbishop Chaput. He was adamant that you can't call yourself Catholic and not completely obey them in the bedroom. A. F you, that's my business. B. You and your gang don't take a firm line when it's priests doing things orders of magnitude worse than my use of latex. They're still spending untold amounts of money defending those monsters while obsessing over the laity's behavior.
I wish I could hit reply all. I am on my second marriage and both of our ex-spouses were raging alcoholics. But do you think we could get an annulment without their cooperation? NoтАж They had to be among our witnesses. ANDтАжwe had to PAY $1600 to get our annulments consideredтАжnot grantedтАжCONSIDERED. We got civilly married in 2014, and both of them are now passed away. So, we could get married in the church, but we donтАЩt want to. Oh, and letтАЩs not forget the fact that my mom told me I was still married to my ex-husband when I got engaged to my current husband, and his mom told him him that he shouldnтАЩt marry me if weтАЩre not having children. So both of our Catholic mothers had this warped belief that we should live alone for the rest of our livesтАж but isnтАЩt Catholicism based on suffering?
I don't share your experiences regarding marriage, but my local parochial school was actively hostile to my autistic son's well being. Took years of therapy to get him past the experience. Silly me, I thought my parish's school would be a place of compassion. What a joke, even the most minor accommodations were just too much bother. Seriously, F them.
The staff at the public high school were beyond fantastic. By junior year he was off his IEP and thrived. I mourn for the opportunities we lost.
Oh yeah. My daughter has AspergerтАЩs SyndromeтАжand the lay teachers had more compassion for her than the nuns did. Additionally, our first Pastor tried to tell me I was imagining things. Then I changed schools, because I moved, and the second parish was far more welcomingтАжbut the principal was a lay person, so I think that made a big difference. Honestly, I think organized religion has no place in civilized society. It seems, sorry JVL, to be based in cruelty.
These guys love their dogma so F-ing much that they don't care how many lives it ruins. Turning pain into a profit center is beyond disgusting. I'm angry all again on your behalf.
To answer extent, I like the teaching that marriage is forever. Those vows should mean something. BUT the second abuse is even remotely on the table, that goes away.
Wasn't some of Jesus' anger directed toward those who used religious rules to put burdens on people? You'd think these men would actually try to understand the book they worship.
I'm genuinely happy that you're in a good place now. I have no doubts at all that God is smiling on your new marriage!
I have a similar viewpoint. Still sing in a choir, even one cousin still a nun. I certainly don't think Vance understands the mindset of the pro-life Catholics who are against nuclear weapons, the death penalty ANd against abortion. Pro-life has no meaning unless it include support for life in all spheres.
Conversely, the loudest Catholics are cheerleaders for executions and nuclear weapons as long as they can save babies.
IтАЩd say тАЬsave fetusesтАЬ because they donтАЩt like spending any money to save people after they are born.
Catholics pro-lifers try to help babies more than some other flavors of '"pro-life."
But Catholics still donтАЩt respect the life of the mother, who is already a living, breathing human being, and can have other children. I am a lapsed Catholic for this and many other reasons.
I'm also lapsed for a number of reasons. Part of what finally pushed me out the door was my former Archbishop Chaput. He was adamant that you can't call yourself Catholic and not completely obey them in the bedroom. A. F you, that's my business. B. You and your gang don't take a firm line when it's priests doing things orders of magnitude worse than my use of latex. They're still spending untold amounts of money defending those monsters while obsessing over the laity's behavior.
I don't miss it at all.
I wish I could hit reply all. I am on my second marriage and both of our ex-spouses were raging alcoholics. But do you think we could get an annulment without their cooperation? NoтАж They had to be among our witnesses. ANDтАжwe had to PAY $1600 to get our annulments consideredтАжnot grantedтАжCONSIDERED. We got civilly married in 2014, and both of them are now passed away. So, we could get married in the church, but we donтАЩt want to. Oh, and letтАЩs not forget the fact that my mom told me I was still married to my ex-husband when I got engaged to my current husband, and his mom told him him that he shouldnтАЩt marry me if weтАЩre not having children. So both of our Catholic mothers had this warped belief that we should live alone for the rest of our livesтАж but isnтАЩt Catholicism based on suffering?
I don't share your experiences regarding marriage, but my local parochial school was actively hostile to my autistic son's well being. Took years of therapy to get him past the experience. Silly me, I thought my parish's school would be a place of compassion. What a joke, even the most minor accommodations were just too much bother. Seriously, F them.
The staff at the public high school were beyond fantastic. By junior year he was off his IEP and thrived. I mourn for the opportunities we lost.
Oh yeah. My daughter has AspergerтАЩs SyndromeтАжand the lay teachers had more compassion for her than the nuns did. Additionally, our first Pastor tried to tell me I was imagining things. Then I changed schools, because I moved, and the second parish was far more welcomingтАжbut the principal was a lay person, so I think that made a big difference. Honestly, I think organized religion has no place in civilized society. It seems, sorry JVL, to be based in cruelty.
These guys love their dogma so F-ing much that they don't care how many lives it ruins. Turning pain into a profit center is beyond disgusting. I'm angry all again on your behalf.
To answer extent, I like the teaching that marriage is forever. Those vows should mean something. BUT the second abuse is even remotely on the table, that goes away.
Wasn't some of Jesus' anger directed toward those who used religious rules to put burdens on people? You'd think these men would actually try to understand the book they worship.
I'm genuinely happy that you're in a good place now. I have no doubts at all that God is smiling on your new marriage!
Same here.
See my response to Mike above.
That's true of Evangelicals for the most part, but Catholic Charities is a different story and is also in Trump's target sights.
Good point.