Pretty sure they didn’t poll the children. Nor does that figure suggest how strong the support of any individual is. A hellava lot of people who generally supported the GOP despite things like the the Muslim Ban or withdrawing from the Iran agreement but who changed their mind after 1/6. People do have a line they won’t cross
So whee, some Palestinian celebrated an atrocity. Probably some Muslims celebrate 9/11. (Though not where trump said he saw them) Do we believe that every damn Muslim is thus a terrorist? .tRump preached that it did with his Musl8m ban--the first one.
There are supporters of Palestinians who are celebrating Hamas. They are just as wrong as the “shock and awe”--or maybe more “starve and freeze”--response of Israel.
I actually would like to see a UN peacekeeping force deal with rooting out Hamas as they did in tamping down the extremists in the Balkans. But the UN is much weakened.
UNHCR and its leadership have massive responsibility for the current situation in both Gaza and the West Bank. Their demonization of Israel and support for the 'right of return' of millions of people who have never lived in Israel has been a huge incentive to Palestinian intransigence.
Because when you take the position that Israel is always wrong and that the Palestinians have a "right of return" - aka, overwhelm the Israelites, what is that saying exactly?
Answer: Israel shouldn't exist and the we, the UN, support that position.
Guess what the position of virtually every Arab state, and the Palestinians - and Hamas - has been? Israel needs to cease to exist and be "driven into the sea."
(The recent Abraham accords (along with the Camp David peace agreement) means that most of the Arab states DO recognize the right of Israel to exist. Israel was working on a peace agreement with Saudi Arabia, which it is widely believed that was the reason Iran gave Hamas the green light. )
Ah, I thought you were talking about the Israeli "right of return" that lets any Jew immigrate. My Israeli friend is very proud of that, though when I pressed him about where such an influx would LIVE he did balk at taking over Palestinian homes and territory.
I certainly agree that is the position of Hamas. As you point out the "drive into the sea" bit hasn't been the position of Arab STATES for a very long time, though I am sure there are extremists in each country who still go with that. Of course, there are extremists in Israel who want exactly the same thing to happen to the Palestinians. Judging what a COUNTRY officially thinks depends on whether the government supports the extremists. The recent protests in Israel suggest the government was leaning towards the extremists there.
A comparison would be the US government supporting the America is a Christian Nation bit of the evangelical nationalists. Our government is not doing that, though our supreme court in its decisions is eating away at the idea of separation of church and state. So far it is applying "religious liberty" as a defense to anti-discrimination laws mostly to the LGBTQ community but I have had discussions with godawful "victim Christians" who would extend this "right of discrimination" to Muslims, Jews, etc.
Extremism is anti-democratic in any society. It's a problem here, AND in Israel, and frankly in way too many countries that have been considered "the West."
I don't know that Hamas needed a "green light" from anyone, though Iran does seem to have its fingers in the whole thing, if only as supplier. But I agree that the timing suggests a motive to upset peace talks with Saudi Arabia or any other Arab nation.
68% is a huge majority.
Try this. From over a year ago:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinians-celebrate-jerusalem-synagogue-massacre-with-fireworks-sweets/
Washington Post in December 2021 only 33% of Republicans believed that January 6th was an attempt by Trump to overthrow Democracy and retain power.
Pretty sure they didn’t poll the children. Nor does that figure suggest how strong the support of any individual is. A hellava lot of people who generally supported the GOP despite things like the the Muslim Ban or withdrawing from the Iran agreement but who changed their mind after 1/6. People do have a line they won’t cross
So whee, some Palestinian celebrated an atrocity. Probably some Muslims celebrate 9/11. (Though not where trump said he saw them) Do we believe that every damn Muslim is thus a terrorist? .tRump preached that it did with his Musl8m ban--the first one.
There are supporters of Palestinians who are celebrating Hamas. They are just as wrong as the “shock and awe”--or maybe more “starve and freeze”--response of Israel.
I actually would like to see a UN peacekeeping force deal with rooting out Hamas as they did in tamping down the extremists in the Balkans. But the UN is much weakened.
UNHCR and its leadership have massive responsibility for the current situation in both Gaza and the West Bank. Their demonization of Israel and support for the 'right of return' of millions of people who have never lived in Israel has been a huge incentive to Palestinian intransigence.
They've lived in Israel since its creation.
I’m not very familiar with them. How can they both demonize Israel and support return of refugees to it?
Because when you take the position that Israel is always wrong and that the Palestinians have a "right of return" - aka, overwhelm the Israelites, what is that saying exactly?
Answer: Israel shouldn't exist and the we, the UN, support that position.
Guess what the position of virtually every Arab state, and the Palestinians - and Hamas - has been? Israel needs to cease to exist and be "driven into the sea."
(The recent Abraham accords (along with the Camp David peace agreement) means that most of the Arab states DO recognize the right of Israel to exist. Israel was working on a peace agreement with Saudi Arabia, which it is widely believed that was the reason Iran gave Hamas the green light. )
Ah, I thought you were talking about the Israeli "right of return" that lets any Jew immigrate. My Israeli friend is very proud of that, though when I pressed him about where such an influx would LIVE he did balk at taking over Palestinian homes and territory.
I certainly agree that is the position of Hamas. As you point out the "drive into the sea" bit hasn't been the position of Arab STATES for a very long time, though I am sure there are extremists in each country who still go with that. Of course, there are extremists in Israel who want exactly the same thing to happen to the Palestinians. Judging what a COUNTRY officially thinks depends on whether the government supports the extremists. The recent protests in Israel suggest the government was leaning towards the extremists there.
A comparison would be the US government supporting the America is a Christian Nation bit of the evangelical nationalists. Our government is not doing that, though our supreme court in its decisions is eating away at the idea of separation of church and state. So far it is applying "religious liberty" as a defense to anti-discrimination laws mostly to the LGBTQ community but I have had discussions with godawful "victim Christians" who would extend this "right of discrimination" to Muslims, Jews, etc.
Extremism is anti-democratic in any society. It's a problem here, AND in Israel, and frankly in way too many countries that have been considered "the West."
I don't know that Hamas needed a "green light" from anyone, though Iran does seem to have its fingers in the whole thing, if only as supplier. But I agree that the timing suggests a motive to upset peace talks with Saudi Arabia or any other Arab nation.