It's interesting that people have a difficult time holding two views at the same time, where there is nothing contradictory about the two views:
1) Hamas is a murderous terrorist organization that has engaged in an unprecedent terrorist attack against Israel, its 9/11 as has been said.
2) From the letter: "Israeli violence has structured every aspect of Palestinian existence for 75 years. From systematized land seizures to routine airstrikes, arbitrary detentions to military checkpoints, and enforced family separations to targeted killings, Palestinians have been forced to live in a state of death, both slow and sudden." It's kind hard to dispute the facts on that front either. Israel also routinely commits war crimes (e.g. the torture of prisoners & use of collective punishments.
There's going to be war and conflict in the middle-east until one of two things happens:
1) Israel just continues illegally seizing land in the occupied territories until Palestine cannot be a geographically viable state and it just collapses.
--or--
2) Critics of Israel acknowledge that there is never a justification for the horrendous type of attacks that have been launched by Hamas in the past, and in particular the brutal terrorist acts of the last three days--and Israeli apologists acknowledge that it is fundamentally immoral to accept an apartheid state (I mean really, all Israeli apologists need to do is hold Israel to the same moral standard that they would any Western supposedly democratic country).
An Apartheid regime is one in which it treats people under different standards of law on the basis of some invidious distinction like race or religion. The poster child example is South Africa, which treated people very differently on the basis of race. However, South Africa did this with South African citizens.
Israel, on the other hand, is different. The West Bank and Gaza are NOT part of Israel. They are territories that they partially occupy and blockade. Gaza in particular is the looser of the two; there hadn't been any Israeli people in Gaza since 2005 before this latest outbreak of war. Now if you want to say that occupation of an area is grounds for classifying a country as apartheid, then I'll take your challenge.
As of the time of writing this, October 10th 2023, The United States of America occupies Al-Tanf in Syria. Has done so since 2017. None of the people who live there can vote in American elections, travel to the U.S. and they are subject to martial law. America is an apartheid regime of the same moral standard of Israel. Should we dissolve both countries or neither of them over this?
It's interesting that people have a difficult time holding two views at the same time, where there is nothing contradictory about the two views:
1) Hamas is a murderous terrorist organization that has engaged in an unprecedent terrorist attack against Israel, its 9/11 as has been said.
2) From the letter: "Israeli violence has structured every aspect of Palestinian existence for 75 years. From systematized land seizures to routine airstrikes, arbitrary detentions to military checkpoints, and enforced family separations to targeted killings, Palestinians have been forced to live in a state of death, both slow and sudden." It's kind hard to dispute the facts on that front either. Israel also routinely commits war crimes (e.g. the torture of prisoners & use of collective punishments.
There's going to be war and conflict in the middle-east until one of two things happens:
1) Israel just continues illegally seizing land in the occupied territories until Palestine cannot be a geographically viable state and it just collapses.
--or--
2) Critics of Israel acknowledge that there is never a justification for the horrendous type of attacks that have been launched by Hamas in the past, and in particular the brutal terrorist acts of the last three days--and Israeli apologists acknowledge that it is fundamentally immoral to accept an apartheid state (I mean really, all Israeli apologists need to do is hold Israel to the same moral standard that they would any Western supposedly democratic country).
An Apartheid regime is one in which it treats people under different standards of law on the basis of some invidious distinction like race or religion. The poster child example is South Africa, which treated people very differently on the basis of race. However, South Africa did this with South African citizens.
Israel, on the other hand, is different. The West Bank and Gaza are NOT part of Israel. They are territories that they partially occupy and blockade. Gaza in particular is the looser of the two; there hadn't been any Israeli people in Gaza since 2005 before this latest outbreak of war. Now if you want to say that occupation of an area is grounds for classifying a country as apartheid, then I'll take your challenge.
As of the time of writing this, October 10th 2023, The United States of America occupies Al-Tanf in Syria. Has done so since 2017. None of the people who live there can vote in American elections, travel to the U.S. and they are subject to martial law. America is an apartheid regime of the same moral standard of Israel. Should we dissolve both countries or neither of them over this?
Cool, so it's just violent colonialist imperialism, cause that's so much better...
Well said.