The occupied territories not part of Israel when it's convenient to Israeli apologists, but is part of Israel when they defend its apartheid practices.
Okay, let's apply your definition of apartheid to Israel.
1) Israel expelled the vast majority of Palestinians in what is now Israel proper. Those Palestinians with an actual multi-generati…
The occupied territories not part of Israel when it's convenient to Israeli apologists, but is part of Israel when they defend its apartheid practices.
Okay, let's apply your definition of apartheid to Israel.
1) Israel expelled the vast majority of Palestinians in what is now Israel proper. Those Palestinians with an actual multi-generational link to specific homes and geographic areas, do not have the right to return to their homes. However, literally ANY person of the Jewish faith can immediately gain full citizenship to Israel, and purchase and inhabit the homes that were previously held by Palestinians. Well, there's one way that different laws apply to different people on the basis of religion. I mean, I think that's a biggie.
2) Palestinians in the occupied territories are not permitted to vote in Israeli election, even though Israel controls every aspect of their lives. Israel entirely controls access into and out of the territories. You say that the occupied territories aren't part of Israel. When then is it that they continue to expand illegal settlements into the West Bank? If that's not part of Israel, then they're illegally invading a sovereign nation. If it is part of Israel, then Israel has disenfranchised millions of it's own citizens on the basis of race (after all, Orthodox settlers DO have the right to vote in Israeli elections). Pick a lane buddy. If ONLY Jewish settlers in the West Bank have the right to vote in Israeli elections, this fits squarely within the definition of apartheid that you yourself provided.
Lol, if you think I'd defend U.S. military occupations abroad, I don't. Sure, that's an apartheid occupation as well.
I struggle to see how you could coherently claim Gaza is part of Israel. What Israeli government administers it? What Israeli forces provide security? Muslim and Arab citizens in Israel are not treated the way people living in Gaza are; in fact, they comprise 21% of the Israeli electorate.
Concerning 1) The denial of Right of Return is not a religious based distinction, unless you're claiming that Isreali immigration policy is based on a notion of right of return towards Jews from wherever. (It is not). It is simply a denial of the notion of Right of Return, a notion, I might add, which is denied in many other contexts, since you did ask to have Israel judged among the status of its peers. We are all upset about Poland not permitting a right of return or compensating Germans for being kicked out of Prussia, aren't we? Oh wait, we're not.
Concerning 2). No, people in occupied territories don't vote in their occupying countries elections. They never have. That's true of Israeli occupation of the West Bank, the Russian occupation of chunks of Ukraine, the Turkish occupation of northern Cyprus, and yes, even the U.S. occupations.
Concerning the settlements; yes, they are illegal and are an invasion of something. I'm not sure the Palestinians have real sovereignity, but they are definitely an invasion of some sort. But again, that's not what makes something apartheid. West Bank Palestinians are not Israeli citizens. Israeli citizens are, however. You do understand the concept of people living abroad voting in elections yes? The local Syrians in Al-Tanf don't get to vote in U.S. elections, but the occupying U.S. soldiers do.
I don't care whether or not you defend or approve of U.S. military occupations abroad. But if you think that any act of occupation is de facto creating an apartheid regime, well then guess what? Israel has LOTS of company. And since you said, and I'm going to quote you directly
"I mean really, all Israeli apologists need to do is hold Israel to the same moral standard that they would any Western supposedly democratic country"
I will do just that. I am holding Israel to the same moral standard I am holding America or Poland to. And by the way, none of them are in fact apartheid regimes, despite your vigorous attempts to muddy the waters.
The occupied territories not part of Israel when it's convenient to Israeli apologists, but is part of Israel when they defend its apartheid practices.
Okay, let's apply your definition of apartheid to Israel.
1) Israel expelled the vast majority of Palestinians in what is now Israel proper. Those Palestinians with an actual multi-generational link to specific homes and geographic areas, do not have the right to return to their homes. However, literally ANY person of the Jewish faith can immediately gain full citizenship to Israel, and purchase and inhabit the homes that were previously held by Palestinians. Well, there's one way that different laws apply to different people on the basis of religion. I mean, I think that's a biggie.
2) Palestinians in the occupied territories are not permitted to vote in Israeli election, even though Israel controls every aspect of their lives. Israel entirely controls access into and out of the territories. You say that the occupied territories aren't part of Israel. When then is it that they continue to expand illegal settlements into the West Bank? If that's not part of Israel, then they're illegally invading a sovereign nation. If it is part of Israel, then Israel has disenfranchised millions of it's own citizens on the basis of race (after all, Orthodox settlers DO have the right to vote in Israeli elections). Pick a lane buddy. If ONLY Jewish settlers in the West Bank have the right to vote in Israeli elections, this fits squarely within the definition of apartheid that you yourself provided.
Lol, if you think I'd defend U.S. military occupations abroad, I don't. Sure, that's an apartheid occupation as well.
Checkmate
I struggle to see how you could coherently claim Gaza is part of Israel. What Israeli government administers it? What Israeli forces provide security? Muslim and Arab citizens in Israel are not treated the way people living in Gaza are; in fact, they comprise 21% of the Israeli electorate.
Concerning 1) The denial of Right of Return is not a religious based distinction, unless you're claiming that Isreali immigration policy is based on a notion of right of return towards Jews from wherever. (It is not). It is simply a denial of the notion of Right of Return, a notion, I might add, which is denied in many other contexts, since you did ask to have Israel judged among the status of its peers. We are all upset about Poland not permitting a right of return or compensating Germans for being kicked out of Prussia, aren't we? Oh wait, we're not.
Concerning 2). No, people in occupied territories don't vote in their occupying countries elections. They never have. That's true of Israeli occupation of the West Bank, the Russian occupation of chunks of Ukraine, the Turkish occupation of northern Cyprus, and yes, even the U.S. occupations.
Concerning the settlements; yes, they are illegal and are an invasion of something. I'm not sure the Palestinians have real sovereignity, but they are definitely an invasion of some sort. But again, that's not what makes something apartheid. West Bank Palestinians are not Israeli citizens. Israeli citizens are, however. You do understand the concept of people living abroad voting in elections yes? The local Syrians in Al-Tanf don't get to vote in U.S. elections, but the occupying U.S. soldiers do.
I don't care whether or not you defend or approve of U.S. military occupations abroad. But if you think that any act of occupation is de facto creating an apartheid regime, well then guess what? Israel has LOTS of company. And since you said, and I'm going to quote you directly
"I mean really, all Israeli apologists need to do is hold Israel to the same moral standard that they would any Western supposedly democratic country"
I will do just that. I am holding Israel to the same moral standard I am holding America or Poland to. And by the way, none of them are in fact apartheid regimes, despite your vigorous attempts to muddy the waters.