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Kevin Bowe's avatar

"No one thought it would come to this..." Isn't that Corn's point? That indeed there was a 70 year history of the GOP playing footsie with Hofstadter's Paranoid America? I haven't read Charlie's book, so I don't know how he reconciles his stint as a conservative talk radio host with current realities, but I'm just a few years younger than him and I've spent the last 50 years arguing with conservatives like Charlie that there were indeed racists and authoritarian elements in the Republican coalition. I was scoffed at and called a commie. Well, here we are. This is NOT a "No one thought it would come to this..." moment for many of us.

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"I think it’s fair to say that we have a somewhat different perspective and I have my quibbles."

You were a part of it Charlie--but at least you seem to realize that somewhat now. It's hard to see things from the inside.

I have a severe dislike, bordering on hatred, for conservatism. This isn't because I am progressive--although in some areas I have progressive tendencies.

My dislike/hatred stems from the fact that conservatism is primarily about maintaining a status quo that benefits the group(s) that label themselves conservative.

My dislike/hatred stems from the fact that conservatism naturally tends to racism and sexism and the creation of Real Americans vice simply Americans.

My dislike/hatred stems from the fact that conservatism tends to authoritarianism and ugly alliances with religion that soil both politics and religion.

Even when conservatism pretends to intellectualism and principles, that ugly underside is always there. While WF Buckley tried to quash some of it (at least publicly) he and other "intellectuals" of conservatism still carried that baggage and it still influenced their thought and action. His PR attempt ultimately failed.

The current mess is the result of a LOT of work on the part of the GoP and the embrace of things that (in reality) naturally align with conservatism in the historical tradition. Because of that natural alignment, a lot of work was required to keep that aspect of conservatism at bay--and the work was not only NOT done, the GoP welcomed these people with open arms so long as they brought some votes with them.

The fact is that the party could not and can not actually embrace its supposed classical liberal principles because it started off as a party of business and remained the party of the well-to-do for most of its history. It is still the party of the well-to-do, but they have added the "polish" of populist racism, sexism, and religion to it in order to try and remain relevant

A party that espoused increased Federal power in its beginnings (because business saw that as being an advantage) turned into a party that reviles Federal power because it began to be used to create a better ground for the common man instead of calling out troops to suppress those pesky union organizers and labor unrest.

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