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Tim Coffey's avatar

And what you describe is a very *positive* message. Stuart Stevens likes to talk about how, during the Reagan years, there was a feeling that being born in America was an incredibly lucky thing and you've essentially hit the jackpot. But the Trump years have done away with that optimism. I will never understand the lack of gratitude that these people have. Jim Jordan was able to win election to the House of Representatives even though he's a fucking idiot. Mike Johnson has been free to practice his virulent form of Christianity without any interference from the State. And yet these people want to destroy the very foundation that gave them the freedom to live their lives they way they've lived them. And why? What makes them so special? Imagine the level of self regard Mike Johnson has to have to believe that The Divine has ordained him to be the Speaker of the House. I mean, really, did The Divine ordain Putin, Xi, and Orban, too, or did He sit those elections out?

For me, the conservative, small-c, party is now the Democrats, and I never thought I'd see that day.

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knowltok's avatar

Agreed.

I struggle with understanding religion on many fronts, but the one you mention is a big one. Ask them who is responsible for all the bad people you mention, and they'll come up with Satan. Ask who made Satan and allows him to operate....well then the answer is free will. And of course if it is free will, exactly how is God ordaining this or that person as his instrument on earth? Not to put too fine a point on it, but it is turtles all the fucking way down.

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Tim Coffey's avatar

Man is responsible for man's problems. We suck, knowltok. We fucking suck. Imagine the mental gymnastics required to believe that Donald Trump was elected in 2016 to save America and he was chosen by The Divine? And then imagine the rationalization you have to do to excuse every morally despicable action the man took while in office. Did God make them do that? Do they not have agency (free will)? Did God say it was OK for Trump to violate E. Jean Carroll?

"Convincing humans to do evil in the name of the Enemy is still one of our finest maneuvers, and you will find it highly enjoyable."

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