I’m concerned they are not Gou going to end with immigrants…. A 15X increase in DHS / ICE funding will give the President his own secret police to start asking for papers from US Citizens and start locking up his detractors will no due process. Even if this is a small percentage it is scary as hell.
Tim, I hope you are enjoying the HELL out of your vacation. I held off on watching this for a few days because I knew how hard it would be just to watch you have to talk about it, let alone be the one to do it. I wish I had some sort of profound comment on the content of your piece, but there truly are no words. They say broken hearts can be mended, but I wonder if our atrocities are already too great.
The really horrible thing to me - is that by the time we get a decent people back into power of the government most of these men in the El Salvador prison will not be alive.
Or at a minimum psychologically damaged for life. And the characters Steven Miller, K. Noem etc will find some way to slither back under their rocks and never have to pay for their crimes against humanity.
Same. Same, same same. Evidently we are too stupid to pick up what the Germans so carefully laid down, so we're going to have to calibrate OUR response for, like, whatever's exponentially dumber than Donald Trump. My head hurts already.
1. My uncle was a P.O.W during the Second World War. He was a navigator on a bomber and shot down over Germany. His stories related to me were nothing compared to this horror. He told me he was treated well because he was an officer.
2. I do not have any expectation that any of these people, especially Miller (who I believe is a special type of sadist), They will stupidly follow the Trump - Roy Cohen playbook by amiditting nothing and go on offense.
<3 to you and your uncle, from the granddaughter of a tailgunner in one of those bombers.
Re: Miller, he is legit insane cannibal serial killer level of deranged, psychotic, whatever. Like, I would file him with Mengele. He is the baddest of bad news and should be confined (kept separate from other patients) and evaluated, like yesterday.
If we listen carefully to Trump, Vance, Noem, Homan, Vought and the rest they see concentration camps in the future for many of us. In every state, multiple camps in some places. Soon we’ll have a camp system that matches and exceeds the size of Hitler’s.
Right now the Trump Administration is counter programming with video supplied by El Salvador that shows Garcia in a spacious prison cell with normal clothing, some freedom of movement. Looks like a minimum security prison in the States ....I'm sure that was manufactured at the end of his captivity there
Sarah, Sam, Andrew and Jonathan, Enjoyed the discussion. Thank you for your reporting, commentary and analysis. No complaints on your viewpoints they were all based on your experience and knowledge. I have a few thoughts. I believe the Republicans, circa Trump, have learned to exploit the worst kept secret in America. That is, we are basically self centered, gullible and stupid. This axiom is Trump's Einstein moment. It gives him total control of the narrative so he can lie with impunity, fabricate like Da Vinci and escape the law like Houdini. He has a masters degree and he tutored the Republican Party. To their credit they are overachievers. Absent a financial crisis with high unemployment, high interest rates and inflation or a massive rebellion, the American people will mostly accept their lot in life but continue to blame everyone else but themselves. I bet that there is a high percentage of Americans who think ICE is the stuff they pour their bourbon over and they can always use more ice. Never, and I mean never, did I ever think I would hope America fails. But we may have to, to sum degree, in order to get through this nightmare.
I have mainly on social reasons voted D most of the time but I like you Sara believe in fiscal responsibility. I am one of those people who have never paid interest on a credit card - you pay it in full every month or you don;t buy. The R's are so good at lying and messaging I have no doubt the medicaid cuts and rise in debt will be blamed on dems and the dems will be so feckless they will allow that narrative to take. Something has to happen about how dems message. They need to understand going out on TV once and making the case and then never discussing it again WILL NOT WORK. Dems need to be out now every day every hour making some case educating in some way what the republicans have done. Every time a hospital closes it needs to be all over - How can you teach them to fight but right now - while I hate every republican and will not vote for them - the contempt I have for the fecklessness of the Democratic Party is immeasurable.
as much as people lament the decline of traditional media getting on the "local"news whether that's a large city or a rural state is still a great source of discussion generation with an important slice of the electorate that stills see's a little of that everyday
Tim, you repeatedly said the detainees deported to CECOT incarceration are being submitted to "torture without due process" and that they have been "wrongly kidnapped and tortured."
I want to make clear that while there is such a thing as due process for detention/incarceration and/or deportation for crimes for which one is tried and convicted, there is no such thing as being "rightfully kidnapped and tortured" or to be subject to torture subsequent to due process.
Torture is a crime against humanity. It is always criminal. So is kidnapping. Kidnapping is not an arrest, it's an abduction. These actions are never justified under any circumstances. As far as I'm concerned, George W. Bush and certain members of his administration should have been charged and tried for their many crimes - including and especially torture - at Guantanamo, and other black sites in the regions of Iraq and Afghanistan. It worries me that when this Trump era nightmare is finally over - and it will be - that the perpetrators of these crimes now being committed will not be held to account, that the political will will be absent and they will get away with it, and thereby the US de facto endorses these types of crimes. Because you can't have it both ways; you can not claim to be a country of laws, a society of morality that upholds the principles of human rights and dignity and yet permit the government to engage in these types of criminal activities.
Has anyone looked into whether trump, trump org, Miller, Bombi, etc. Have hired and/still keep workers in the similar immigration status as those they sent to El Salavador?
So fucking disgusting. I am seething with anger over this. These are crimes against humanity and they have to be held accountable in international courts.
Tim - Crying again. I can’t bear the thought, especially of Andry, in El Salvadore. Every time I hear more it makes me detest the people responsible, especially those in leadership. May DT, CN, MR and all the agents responsible experience all these physical and mental atrocities on judgement day. Anyone who voted for this regime should be made to watch this and hopefully “do their own research,” but like real as in watching all your videos and actually reading the Bulwark. 😡
I’m concerned they are not Gou going to end with immigrants…. A 15X increase in DHS / ICE funding will give the President his own secret police to start asking for papers from US Citizens and start locking up his detractors will no due process. Even if this is a small percentage it is scary as hell.
Tim, I hope you are enjoying the HELL out of your vacation. I held off on watching this for a few days because I knew how hard it would be just to watch you have to talk about it, let alone be the one to do it. I wish I had some sort of profound comment on the content of your piece, but there truly are no words. They say broken hearts can be mended, but I wonder if our atrocities are already too great.
The really horrible thing to me - is that by the time we get a decent people back into power of the government most of these men in the El Salvador prison will not be alive.
Or at a minimum psychologically damaged for life. And the characters Steven Miller, K. Noem etc will find some way to slither back under their rocks and never have to pay for their crimes against humanity.
Same. Same, same same. Evidently we are too stupid to pick up what the Germans so carefully laid down, so we're going to have to calibrate OUR response for, like, whatever's exponentially dumber than Donald Trump. My head hurts already.
Two points I would like to make.
1. My uncle was a P.O.W during the Second World War. He was a navigator on a bomber and shot down over Germany. His stories related to me were nothing compared to this horror. He told me he was treated well because he was an officer.
2. I do not have any expectation that any of these people, especially Miller (who I believe is a special type of sadist), They will stupidly follow the Trump - Roy Cohen playbook by amiditting nothing and go on offense.
<3 to you and your uncle, from the granddaughter of a tailgunner in one of those bombers.
Re: Miller, he is legit insane cannibal serial killer level of deranged, psychotic, whatever. Like, I would file him with Mengele. He is the baddest of bad news and should be confined (kept separate from other patients) and evaluated, like yesterday.
I thought the constitution banned cruel and unusual punishment
Re : verification -- if Bukele says that no one walks out , that seems to support this if not confirm it .
I'm with you, Tim. 100%.
If we listen carefully to Trump, Vance, Noem, Homan, Vought and the rest they see concentration camps in the future for many of us. In every state, multiple camps in some places. Soon we’ll have a camp system that matches and exceeds the size of Hitler’s.
The testimony veracity and/or falsity cannot be remain hidden. In fact some is easy to test right away.
Right now the Trump Administration is counter programming with video supplied by El Salvador that shows Garcia in a spacious prison cell with normal clothing, some freedom of movement. Looks like a minimum security prison in the States ....I'm sure that was manufactured at the end of his captivity there
Sarah, Sam, Andrew and Jonathan, Enjoyed the discussion. Thank you for your reporting, commentary and analysis. No complaints on your viewpoints they were all based on your experience and knowledge. I have a few thoughts. I believe the Republicans, circa Trump, have learned to exploit the worst kept secret in America. That is, we are basically self centered, gullible and stupid. This axiom is Trump's Einstein moment. It gives him total control of the narrative so he can lie with impunity, fabricate like Da Vinci and escape the law like Houdini. He has a masters degree and he tutored the Republican Party. To their credit they are overachievers. Absent a financial crisis with high unemployment, high interest rates and inflation or a massive rebellion, the American people will mostly accept their lot in life but continue to blame everyone else but themselves. I bet that there is a high percentage of Americans who think ICE is the stuff they pour their bourbon over and they can always use more ice. Never, and I mean never, did I ever think I would hope America fails. But we may have to, to sum degree, in order to get through this nightmare.
I have mainly on social reasons voted D most of the time but I like you Sara believe in fiscal responsibility. I am one of those people who have never paid interest on a credit card - you pay it in full every month or you don;t buy. The R's are so good at lying and messaging I have no doubt the medicaid cuts and rise in debt will be blamed on dems and the dems will be so feckless they will allow that narrative to take. Something has to happen about how dems message. They need to understand going out on TV once and making the case and then never discussing it again WILL NOT WORK. Dems need to be out now every day every hour making some case educating in some way what the republicans have done. Every time a hospital closes it needs to be all over - How can you teach them to fight but right now - while I hate every republican and will not vote for them - the contempt I have for the fecklessness of the Democratic Party is immeasurable.
as much as people lament the decline of traditional media getting on the "local"news whether that's a large city or a rural state is still a great source of discussion generation with an important slice of the electorate that stills see's a little of that everyday
Tim, you repeatedly said the detainees deported to CECOT incarceration are being submitted to "torture without due process" and that they have been "wrongly kidnapped and tortured."
I want to make clear that while there is such a thing as due process for detention/incarceration and/or deportation for crimes for which one is tried and convicted, there is no such thing as being "rightfully kidnapped and tortured" or to be subject to torture subsequent to due process.
Torture is a crime against humanity. It is always criminal. So is kidnapping. Kidnapping is not an arrest, it's an abduction. These actions are never justified under any circumstances. As far as I'm concerned, George W. Bush and certain members of his administration should have been charged and tried for their many crimes - including and especially torture - at Guantanamo, and other black sites in the regions of Iraq and Afghanistan. It worries me that when this Trump era nightmare is finally over - and it will be - that the perpetrators of these crimes now being committed will not be held to account, that the political will will be absent and they will get away with it, and thereby the US de facto endorses these types of crimes. Because you can't have it both ways; you can not claim to be a country of laws, a society of morality that upholds the principles of human rights and dignity and yet permit the government to engage in these types of criminal activities.
I would love to see an ICE raid to Mar-a-Lago
Has anyone looked into whether trump, trump org, Miller, Bombi, etc. Have hired and/still keep workers in the similar immigration status as those they sent to El Salavador?
If so, shouldn't that make a bigger news?
we know form trump 1 that Mal employed undocumented workers
So fucking disgusting. I am seething with anger over this. These are crimes against humanity and they have to be held accountable in international courts.
Tim - Crying again. I can’t bear the thought, especially of Andry, in El Salvadore. Every time I hear more it makes me detest the people responsible, especially those in leadership. May DT, CN, MR and all the agents responsible experience all these physical and mental atrocities on judgement day. Anyone who voted for this regime should be made to watch this and hopefully “do their own research,” but like real as in watching all your videos and actually reading the Bulwark. 😡