During the post-presser coverage I finally lost my temper and resorted to the time-honored tradition of yelling at the television set, when one too many talking heads said that Biden seriously risked doing irreparable harm to the nation by not standing down and thinking about the impact of his choices.
During the post-presser coverage I finally lost my temper and resorted to the time-honored tradition of yelling at the television set, when one too many talking heads said that Biden seriously risked doing irreparable harm to the nation by not standing down and thinking about the impact of his choices.
Wherever one stands on Go Joe versus Stay Joe, I'm not willing to forget that what actually risks doing irreparable harm to our nation is that tens of millions of voters on the right are willing to vote for a convicted felon, sexual abuser, serial liar, admitted wannabe dictator, and all-around Bad Man when they had other options for a conservative candidate and opted to side with him instead.
It's that simple, if one is willing to look at the situation with both eyes open. But you know that. Shame that so many among us can't do that or, worse, don't care enough to do so. That's the real story.
Indeed, D. The problem isn't so much whether Joe should stay or go, it's the inexplicable attraction to the demagoguery and blatant fascism that millions of our citizens display. Personally I'm sick to the teeth of America's rural and working class's grievances and open hostility towards the urban and college educated of us, as if siccing an authoritarian lunatic onto the country will fix all their problems. To me one of the most disappointing things about the Trump era is that not only has there been all along an invisible and enormously large swath of our citizenry who not only do not fear the rule of a strongman but actually actively desire it, and it was so very very easy to uncover and bring them out into the open. Sadly they will still be around regardless of what happens this November.
Fair point. One undesired side effect of all this discussion on Biden's competence is that it gives a permission structure to right leaning people who aren't excited to vote for Trump to vote for him anyways. They can say, even Democrats were saying Biden wasn't fit to serve, so I HAD to vote for Trump.
However, I'd be lying if I didn't say I have real concerns about Biden's ability to beat Trump. This needs to be resolved in the next week, and if Biden stays on, everyone needs to get behind him.
Disagree to the extent that there are people who have to decide between voting for Biden or not voting at all (and some are making the same decision between Trump or not voting), and they are a crucial group.
You're preaching to the choir on that one. I would vote for just about anyone to stop Trump, but I recognize that others don't see the world the way I do. They frustrate me, but they are the ones who have to be convinced.
Agreed. But those who are turned off by Biden yet also repulsed by Trump (and aren't moved by other candidates from other parties) do have an option at their disposal that next to nobody is talking about: leave that portion of the ballot blank. There is no requirement to vote for either one of them. "Vote for no more than one" can include zero. That might be the strongest statement that people collectively could make, that millions of those who cared enough to vote are not willing to support either option and demand better choices.
I have no idea how many of those conservative voters who will leave the president race blank are out there. Enough to swing an election to another candidate? The R is strong in many people and the desire to provoke the "other side" is great.
There are still some moderate Republicans, repulsed by DJT, who are open to ideas. Our goal is to persuade them that they do not have to vote for him if they do not want to. The blank presidential option is the "addition by subtraction" that we need to pursue if we know they will not vote for Biden anyway -- better neither than DJT by default.
During the post-presser coverage I finally lost my temper and resorted to the time-honored tradition of yelling at the television set, when one too many talking heads said that Biden seriously risked doing irreparable harm to the nation by not standing down and thinking about the impact of his choices.
Wherever one stands on Go Joe versus Stay Joe, I'm not willing to forget that what actually risks doing irreparable harm to our nation is that tens of millions of voters on the right are willing to vote for a convicted felon, sexual abuser, serial liar, admitted wannabe dictator, and all-around Bad Man when they had other options for a conservative candidate and opted to side with him instead.
It's that simple, if one is willing to look at the situation with both eyes open. But you know that. Shame that so many among us can't do that or, worse, don't care enough to do so. That's the real story.
Indeed, D. The problem isn't so much whether Joe should stay or go, it's the inexplicable attraction to the demagoguery and blatant fascism that millions of our citizens display. Personally I'm sick to the teeth of America's rural and working class's grievances and open hostility towards the urban and college educated of us, as if siccing an authoritarian lunatic onto the country will fix all their problems. To me one of the most disappointing things about the Trump era is that not only has there been all along an invisible and enormously large swath of our citizenry who not only do not fear the rule of a strongman but actually actively desire it, and it was so very very easy to uncover and bring them out into the open. Sadly they will still be around regardless of what happens this November.
Fair point. One undesired side effect of all this discussion on Biden's competence is that it gives a permission structure to right leaning people who aren't excited to vote for Trump to vote for him anyways. They can say, even Democrats were saying Biden wasn't fit to serve, so I HAD to vote for Trump.
However, I'd be lying if I didn't say I have real concerns about Biden's ability to beat Trump. This needs to be resolved in the next week, and if Biden stays on, everyone needs to get behind him.
The more people know about Project 2025, the more they hate it. We need to focus on making sure every voter understands.
There is no such thing as 'undecided' no matter what Sarah says.
Disagree to the extent that there are people who have to decide between voting for Biden or not voting at all (and some are making the same decision between Trump or not voting), and they are a crucial group.
It's actually between voting for democracy and voting against democracy
You're preaching to the choir on that one. I would vote for just about anyone to stop Trump, but I recognize that others don't see the world the way I do. They frustrate me, but they are the ones who have to be convinced.
Sadly this statement holds true, "Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter".
Agreed. But those who are turned off by Biden yet also repulsed by Trump (and aren't moved by other candidates from other parties) do have an option at their disposal that next to nobody is talking about: leave that portion of the ballot blank. There is no requirement to vote for either one of them. "Vote for no more than one" can include zero. That might be the strongest statement that people collectively could make, that millions of those who cared enough to vote are not willing to support either option and demand better choices.
A blank vote is a vote for trump.
Not if it's a conservative voter who generally pulls the R lever. That is the target audience.
I have no idea how many of those conservative voters who will leave the president race blank are out there. Enough to swing an election to another candidate? The R is strong in many people and the desire to provoke the "other side" is great.
There are still some moderate Republicans, repulsed by DJT, who are open to ideas. Our goal is to persuade them that they do not have to vote for him if they do not want to. The blank presidential option is the "addition by subtraction" that we need to pursue if we know they will not vote for Biden anyway -- better neither than DJT by default.