That is a straw-man argument. Nobody is saying that.
Trump's awfulness does not *excuse* shortcomings in his opponent, it *makes them more critical*.
The more awful Trump is, the more important it is to put up the strongest possible candidate. And we can argue about who that would be and how that person should be chosen.
That is a straw-man argument. Nobody is saying that.
Trump's awfulness does not *excuse* shortcomings in his opponent, it *makes them more critical*.
The more awful Trump is, the more important it is to put up the strongest possible candidate. And we can argue about who that would be and how that person should be chosen.
But it would be a good idea, when either side in this says "I will never understand," to stop and think "yeah. that is a problem. let's see what I can do about that. because it is kinda my job to understand."
If we can't even do that when we are arguing amongst ourselves, how are we going to do it with the country as a whole?
There are no easy answers.
There are good points on both sides.
Recognizing that should be the absolute minimum starting place for this discussion.
I guess my biggest issue how bill frames this discussion (and many others) is if you are going to say Joe must go than you need to prove to the readers that Kamala is more likely to win (if we go to a brokered convention I’m convinced we will lose). That’s why I find bill’s takes so galling. He wants to force Biden out…fine. But data says that Kamala is a better choice.
Biden campaign is polling on that now. At least they are thinking about the possibility of getting out. CBS is reporting that this weekend will be Brutal for Biden
These are professionals. They have been polling Kamala for YEARS. they know how she looks in the states we need to win. We have public polling that generally shows that Kamala polls a few points behind Biden.
But that is besides the point. Bill, is making the case for dropping out but not telling us why Kamala will win. That’s what he is doing. Calling for someone to dropout and then saying a brokered convention is a cop out. It’s literally a way to cover your own ass because you can’t be wrong because “Dems didn’t choose the right candidate.” This is what I find sooooo frustrating about bill. Tim and jvl don’t do this.
Here is the reason: bill doesn’t think that Kamala can win either and she is the MOST likely candidate to win. Then he usually creates this stupid fantasy where there is a “mini primary.” This is just another word for BROKERED CONVENTION. his hope is kamal loses but if she wins then she is stronger (makes zero sense and he provides no proof).
That is a straw-man argument. Nobody is saying that.
Trump's awfulness does not *excuse* shortcomings in his opponent, it *makes them more critical*.
The more awful Trump is, the more important it is to put up the strongest possible candidate. And we can argue about who that would be and how that person should be chosen.
But it would be a good idea, when either side in this says "I will never understand," to stop and think "yeah. that is a problem. let's see what I can do about that. because it is kinda my job to understand."
If we can't even do that when we are arguing amongst ourselves, how are we going to do it with the country as a whole?
There are no easy answers.
There are good points on both sides.
Recognizing that should be the absolute minimum starting place for this discussion.
If we can't get to there, we are going to fail.
Yep. No good choices. Just one big shitshow.
I guess my biggest issue how bill frames this discussion (and many others) is if you are going to say Joe must go than you need to prove to the readers that Kamala is more likely to win (if we go to a brokered convention I’m convinced we will lose). That’s why I find bill’s takes so galling. He wants to force Biden out…fine. But data says that Kamala is a better choice.
Biden campaign is polling on that now. At least they are thinking about the possibility of getting out. CBS is reporting that this weekend will be Brutal for Biden
These are professionals. They have been polling Kamala for YEARS. they know how she looks in the states we need to win. We have public polling that generally shows that Kamala polls a few points behind Biden.
But that is besides the point. Bill, is making the case for dropping out but not telling us why Kamala will win. That’s what he is doing. Calling for someone to dropout and then saying a brokered convention is a cop out. It’s literally a way to cover your own ass because you can’t be wrong because “Dems didn’t choose the right candidate.” This is what I find sooooo frustrating about bill. Tim and jvl don’t do this.
Here is the reason: bill doesn’t think that Kamala can win either and she is the MOST likely candidate to win. Then he usually creates this stupid fantasy where there is a “mini primary.” This is just another word for BROKERED CONVENTION. his hope is kamal loses but if she wins then she is stronger (makes zero sense and he provides no proof).