Really, Hilary? Would you be saying "Maybe when someone shows you who they are over and over again you should believe them" if they were urging Biden to stay in the race?
No, you wouldn't. You'd applaud them. It's only because they're not cheerleading for Biden that you accuse them of that ugly Option 3.
Really, Hilary? Would you be saying "Maybe when someone shows you who they are over and over again you should believe them" if they were urging Biden to stay in the race?
No, you wouldn't. You'd applaud them. It's only because they're not cheerleading for Biden that you accuse them of that ugly Option 3.
Let me present an option you forgot: Option 4: Bulwark writers came to the conclusion, after dispassionately examining all available evidence, that American voters might rather elect a lively, animated, and boasting tyrant/entertainer as president over a man highly regarded and effective but looks and acts old, enfeebled, and in early stages of dementia. (Whether he has that is irrelevant. Optics reign in politics.) Bulwark writers are so alarmed at Choice No. 1 that they wish to replace Choice No. 2 with someone younger, stronger, and far more vigorous on the campaign trail.
It's a fair conclusion for Bulwark to make. A lot of Americans worry after seeing Biden in the debate and, to a lesser extent, at the NATO press conference and the Stephanopoulos interview: with Biden, there's less THERE there than even a few months ago. So it's fair for Bulwark opinionists to pick "Joe Gotta Go" over "Joe Mo and Mo."
Now me, I'm Ridin' With Biden till his Corvette crashes into the Oval Office, because Trump must have a stake driven through his heart and Biden is still the best hammer. That said, a Biden win no sure thing because of the damage Biden caused himself in just the past two months, and because he's no longer up to demolishing the gish-galloping, lying, smirking, smarmy, racist, incurious, babbling, narcissistic, rapist Trump.
Yes, I prefer Biden stay in the race. Yes, I would vote for Ebola over Trump--Ebola is more likable and less willing to destroy our Republic. Ebola doesn't have Project 2025 nihilists hanging onto it like leeches. But "Joe's Gotta Go" is a valid opinion backed by evidence.
To suggest that Bulwark writers are engaged in Option 3--crawling back to Trump in hopes of the Great Man's Pity and Favour--is nauseating. I've read Bulwark writers for a long time and see no evidence they're setting themselves up to be players in Trump II: Orange Boogaloo.
I wouldn't take a position if they were merely "urging" one way or the other. That's all fair in political commentary. I also wouldn't take a position if I saw more humility from all of the Bulwark writers suggesting that they don't actually *know* the best path forward, but here's how we deal with the situation whatever way it works out.
Instead, what I've seen is two weeks of virtually uninterrupted screeching that they are absolutely certain that Biden needs to drop out now, now, now. When it's every article they write it starts to get a bit absurd.
JVL for one has been very humble. He's also been Biden's biggest cheerleader at the Bulwark for the past 4 years and up until the debate really thought he was the best option going forward. He's made clear time and again that every option is a risk, and nothing is certain.
Certainly JVL has acknowledged that he may be wrong. Not so much Tim and Sarah, but they have substantial experience in political communications. You sound like a conservative anti-vaxxer who feels expertise is plot to control you.
There is no actually knowing in politics, as you put it. There is no knowing the outcome until the voters vote. It's all risk assessment, based on reasoning and facts. Maybe uncertainty makes you uncomfortable.
Well said Shane. As i read the comments, i can see the democrats (yes i am one) rallying around the idea The Bulwark was all just a false flag operation. What a load of horseshit. I get it, you want Biden to stay in the race; irrespective of whether he can do the job...or more importantly (at this point) campaign well enough to win.
In the end, The Bulwark community will not, WILL NOT, be the deciding factor in Joe's decision. Sorry, none of us are that important. President Biden will make that decision in conjunction with the top democrats. It won't be an emotional, knee-jerk action because Bulwark authors forced him to go.
The one thing Joe said last night that was true was this; the campaign hasn't started yet. Everything we are seeing and hearing is just foreplay to the really juicy crap that will be hitting the fans come Sept and Oct.
Brace yourselves; because if you all are getting this excited over a bit of differences of opinion amongst this community, i cannot begin to fathom how you will take the 24/7 commercials showing Joe staring off into space and spewing nonsense.
Well-said yourself, Bill, and thanks. Thing is, most American voters do not pay the slightest bit of attention to politics--even presidential--until the kids are back in school from summer vacation. If even then. Most of the shouting we hear is by one group of laser focused political interests to another group of same. Maw and Paw America won't tune in until September, earliest.
Really, Hilary? Would you be saying "Maybe when someone shows you who they are over and over again you should believe them" if they were urging Biden to stay in the race?
No, you wouldn't. You'd applaud them. It's only because they're not cheerleading for Biden that you accuse them of that ugly Option 3.
Let me present an option you forgot: Option 4: Bulwark writers came to the conclusion, after dispassionately examining all available evidence, that American voters might rather elect a lively, animated, and boasting tyrant/entertainer as president over a man highly regarded and effective but looks and acts old, enfeebled, and in early stages of dementia. (Whether he has that is irrelevant. Optics reign in politics.) Bulwark writers are so alarmed at Choice No. 1 that they wish to replace Choice No. 2 with someone younger, stronger, and far more vigorous on the campaign trail.
It's a fair conclusion for Bulwark to make. A lot of Americans worry after seeing Biden in the debate and, to a lesser extent, at the NATO press conference and the Stephanopoulos interview: with Biden, there's less THERE there than even a few months ago. So it's fair for Bulwark opinionists to pick "Joe Gotta Go" over "Joe Mo and Mo."
Now me, I'm Ridin' With Biden till his Corvette crashes into the Oval Office, because Trump must have a stake driven through his heart and Biden is still the best hammer. That said, a Biden win no sure thing because of the damage Biden caused himself in just the past two months, and because he's no longer up to demolishing the gish-galloping, lying, smirking, smarmy, racist, incurious, babbling, narcissistic, rapist Trump.
Yes, I prefer Biden stay in the race. Yes, I would vote for Ebola over Trump--Ebola is more likable and less willing to destroy our Republic. Ebola doesn't have Project 2025 nihilists hanging onto it like leeches. But "Joe's Gotta Go" is a valid opinion backed by evidence.
To suggest that Bulwark writers are engaged in Option 3--crawling back to Trump in hopes of the Great Man's Pity and Favour--is nauseating. I've read Bulwark writers for a long time and see no evidence they're setting themselves up to be players in Trump II: Orange Boogaloo.
I wouldn't take a position if they were merely "urging" one way or the other. That's all fair in political commentary. I also wouldn't take a position if I saw more humility from all of the Bulwark writers suggesting that they don't actually *know* the best path forward, but here's how we deal with the situation whatever way it works out.
Instead, what I've seen is two weeks of virtually uninterrupted screeching that they are absolutely certain that Biden needs to drop out now, now, now. When it's every article they write it starts to get a bit absurd.
JVL for one has been very humble. He's also been Biden's biggest cheerleader at the Bulwark for the past 4 years and up until the debate really thought he was the best option going forward. He's made clear time and again that every option is a risk, and nothing is certain.
Certainly JVL has acknowledged that he may be wrong. Not so much Tim and Sarah, but they have substantial experience in political communications. You sound like a conservative anti-vaxxer who feels expertise is plot to control you.
There is no actually knowing in politics, as you put it. There is no knowing the outcome until the voters vote. It's all risk assessment, based on reasoning and facts. Maybe uncertainty makes you uncomfortable.
Well said Shane. As i read the comments, i can see the democrats (yes i am one) rallying around the idea The Bulwark was all just a false flag operation. What a load of horseshit. I get it, you want Biden to stay in the race; irrespective of whether he can do the job...or more importantly (at this point) campaign well enough to win.
In the end, The Bulwark community will not, WILL NOT, be the deciding factor in Joe's decision. Sorry, none of us are that important. President Biden will make that decision in conjunction with the top democrats. It won't be an emotional, knee-jerk action because Bulwark authors forced him to go.
The one thing Joe said last night that was true was this; the campaign hasn't started yet. Everything we are seeing and hearing is just foreplay to the really juicy crap that will be hitting the fans come Sept and Oct.
Brace yourselves; because if you all are getting this excited over a bit of differences of opinion amongst this community, i cannot begin to fathom how you will take the 24/7 commercials showing Joe staring off into space and spewing nonsense.
Well-said yourself, Bill, and thanks. Thing is, most American voters do not pay the slightest bit of attention to politics--even presidential--until the kids are back in school from summer vacation. If even then. Most of the shouting we hear is by one group of laser focused political interests to another group of same. Maw and Paw America won't tune in until September, earliest.
Agree, it is truly nauseating. I don't understand such thinking.