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Douglas Peterson's avatar

I appreciate your candor, Migs, but "I just don't trust voters in this environment to vote for an aggressive smart black woman" = vibes.

You see, I agree with the basic premise of your statement, but my conclusion is the opposite: I do trust them. And yes, those are simply my "vibes."

In other words, we both need to see some hard data, some reliable poll numbers that can parse out the numbers for us and show us whose vibes are more in tune with the real American voters.

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Migs's avatar

Yep. I understand that you draw a different conclusion than I do. To be fair, to be both of us we will never really know the answer.

The only thing I would add is that my pessimism of voters is based on this fact: they voted for Trump is 2016. Then more people voted for him in 2020. Now it looks like more will vote for him in 2024 after everything they have seen, heard and watched. Pretty good evidence they are idiots.

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Douglas Peterson's avatar

They are not idiots; well, rather, they are deluded members of a cult who have succumbed to the lies they wanted to hear by a lizard-brained conman. I'm not sure that makes them idiots.

I know so many people who have succumbed to religious cults because the conmen leading them, from rural Tennessee to Rome, offer their followers the wish-fulfillment to their greatest desires: Eternal life, anyone? Want to see your deceased loved ones again in heaven? Come this way!

Idiots cannot be made intelligent. But members of a cult can be "de-programmed." So far, Biden is not doing that. My bet is that Kamala Harris can de-program just enough of them and convince just enough of those not in the cult but wandering in uncertainty ("undecideds") to defeat Trump.

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Migs's avatar

The people they hate can’t be expected to deprogram them. If people expected that then they were always going to be disappointed. Kamala won’t deprogram them. Oprah won’t deprogram. Obama won’t deprogram them. They need to deprogram themselves.

We can agree to disagree

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Douglas Peterson's avatar

Agreed.

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