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So I feel like we can't talk about why the GOP is going all in on Trump without first establishing how much the traditional manner of information dissemination has been inverted among conservatives in a way that it hasn't been for liberals.

Traditionally, the way in which ideas were spread among the national body politic was top down; you had outlets or media organizations and think tanks who would talk about stuff and then essentially wait to see if the larger voting base responded to whatever they were saying. This was because the general voter, even among primary voters, was fairly low information and concerned about lots of different things, and while they might really focus on one or two issues, by and large the people who were all in on one thing were in a minority that wasn't large enough to sway the party. This is still how it mostly works in the democratic party; sure you have your Jacobin types, your bernie bros, your really online MSNBC commentators, but none of these people command any real majority among Democrats to sway much of anything.

This isn't how it works in the GOP. Conservatives, having spent basically two decades ginning up paranoia among their base, created a system where the majority of their primary voters are not just high information (mostly in misinformation, but high info refers only to how much they're seeking it out/internalizing it), but who set the agenda for the rest of the party. This didn't happen overnight. In 2008, that voter who asked McCain if he thought Obama was a secret muslim was one of these. Then the Tea Party happened, which was a direct rejection of the 'normal' Republican. And by 2016, Trump tapped into these people, and revealed that they weren't a minority in the GOP, that they were a majority. Or, at the very least, had a floor of about 40%, which is essentially a majority when we're talking factional politics.

What this means is that the people on the top aren't setting the agenda, they're following an agenda set by the people on the bottom. They're not leading, they're following. The people at NRO don't have any real power; the question of 'do people listen to them' comes down to 'do they say what their voters want to hear or not?'

Trump in this light is not an outlier, he's a natural progression of what was already happening. He was the first person to look around, see the people for who they were, and cater directly to the people who were demanding to be catered to. Perhaps it was because, as a grifter and businessman, he had a lizard like cunning for exploiting people who want to be exploited; like P.T. Barnum before him, he understood that suckers are suckers because they want to be suckered into things. People will happily give you money and attention if you make them feel good and validated. Or, if we want to go back to Caesar, this is the 'bread and circuses' concept of rulership fashioned for a modern audience.

But we also need to recognize that the tastes of the conservative electorate have irrevocably shifted, like they've suddenly been exposed to the car for the first time and no longer need a horse. They've discovered computers; they no longer need or want typewriters. Now that they know, consciously, that they have power, they demand that their power be reflected in the wider party. Which means that if you want a job in this party, you have to appeal to the voters as they are, not as you wished them to be. In focus groups, over and over, voters have expressed to not go back to pre-Trump. Meaning that anything that is going to defeat Trumpism has to be entirely post-Trump. Guys like DeSantis, who are pre-Trump creatures, are already working from a handicap. And anyone talking to pre-Trump people about how they're going to defeat Trump with pre-Trump values is wasting their time.

To put it another way, once civil rights became a plank of the Democratic party in the 1960s, George Wallace style racism was entirely out, and voters would not support candidates who expressed it. That's why they all left the party and became Republicans. In a similar vein, if you're a pre-Trump conservative, you're no longer desired by the Republican voters who make up the party.

So we're in this situation where the 'gop establishment' such as it is, pretends that a spade isn't a spade. That the party that hates elites and foreigners and anyone who isn't a Christian is going to vote for someone like Mehmet Oz, a muslim, or someone like Ron DeSantis, an Ivy League educated pre-Trump conservative. If you're a republican and go 'invading Mexico and having muslim bans and fighting disney is crazy' you might as well not be in the GOP, because that's what the GOP base demands.

People looking for a way to defeat Trump that comes from the top down are wasting their time; unless you change the GOP voters, you're not going to have anyone else. When 60% of GOP voters say they'd vote for Trump even if he was convicted of a felony, that tells you everything you need to know about how much power the people on top have.

So in this moment, they have a choice. They can go the Youngkin and DeSantis route, where they can pivot to whatever grievance the GOP base has at the moment, going all in on drag queens and bud light and hope that whatever they do won't destroy them in a general election. Or, they can retire and disappear, because they're about as welcome in the Democratic party as cholera is. Reality is, the amount of people actively desiring pre-Trump republicanism in 2023 couldn't fill up a mid-sized stadium, let alone win a general election.

Much like how Goldwater conservatism couldn't win the 1980s, Reagan conservatism cannot win in 2023. And the voters have shown that if their preferences aren't adhered to, they'll go where their preferences are adhered to. Meaning the question for places like Fox and NRO is 'do I choose to change who I am or do I choose self destruction?'

Most of them choose the former and pretend like nothing has changed. Many of them become anti-anti-whatever and hope that this is good enough to pass muster among consumers, while blaming 'the left' so that they don't have to accept that they're no longer wanted or valued in their own party.

When we say 'they can't quit Trump' what we should be meaning is 'the GOP voters do not want to quit Trump, and you are not going to replace Trump with what they had before, anymore than you could convince people using computers to return to pen and paper.' The world is now different, and you either accept that or you go extinct. The people on top know that they're not driving this ship, the people who vote are. And the second they deviate, they'll be replaced. That's just the state of play.

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KO in LA's avatar

They must know they're going to get clobbered in the general election, right? Nominating a guy who refused to leave office after he lost an election and attempted a coup. Staying on board with his election lies. Free-for-all with guns. Abortion bans. Book banning. Blocking teaching of actual history. Attacks on the vulnerable. Utter, pure hatred of anyone who doesn't get on board with them. Going pure authoritarian when democracy doesn't yield the results they want. Voter suppression and abuse of power in state legislatures.

How exactly do they think this is going to play out??

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