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Ashley's avatar

If only the founding fathers had thought to include a coequal branch of government who could reign in a raging, narcissistic, demented toddler of a president.

Opportunity missed there guys. 😐

Linda Oliver's avatar

They even forgot to say we couldn’t elect a convicted felon, but to be fair, Thomas Paine thought we had common sense.

Ashley's avatar

Nice going there Thomas!

Charles's avatar

I think we fooled him. Fooled me too! I always thought we had common sense. Not so much, any more!

Left in WashState's avatar

Hell...with the demise of the penny...we don't even have common cents.

Dave Yell's avatar

They actually they did but the congress and Senate have given it away.

Ashley's avatar

Ah yes! I remember a thing called Congress! That was fun!

Ben Gruder's avatar

Even Steve Bannon calls Congress the Duma.

Dave's avatar

Dunzel would be an appropriate term

Robert Jaffee's avatar

Well said, but “opportunity missed,” is a bit strong!

I don’t think anyone was creative enough to have conjured an image a “Trump” back in those days. Even the Mad King George had some semblance of dignity and honor; with Trump, not so much, and he’s just getting started…:)

Ann Williams's avatar

I think the point is that they actually did conjure up a Trump like figure, and that they also conjured up a coequal branch (actually two coequal branches) that could rein him in.

Craig's avatar

Yep — but one problem — the founding fathers thought that coequal branch would be made up of people with some semblance of morality, character and honor.

mgnt's avatar

Even better than relying on good character, they relied on members of Congress being so protective of their own power that they would fight every attempt by the executive branch to usurp Congressional power. The phrase in the Federalist Papers is, "Let ambition constrain ambition." They did not foresee a Congress dominated by cowards.

dlnevins's avatar

They did not foresee political parties becoming as powerful as they are today, so they didn't imagine that Congress would fail to act when faced with a clearly unfit President because that President's party also held the majority in Congress.

LHS's avatar

Oh, the Federalist Papers didn't say, "Unless rolling over and showing your belly seems safer" after that quotation? 🤔

Linda L Kelley's avatar

GOP politicians have rolled over to Trump out of fear of his base and because it's so much easier to win by riding his coattails than by actually doing anything.

The founding fathers simply could not envision how affluent and decadent the majority of Americans would become.

Robert Jaffee's avatar

True, be they didn’t envision a two party system….:)

Linda Oliver's avatar

They did envision “factions”, it’s precursor.

J AZ's avatar

Robert - founders envisioned a mad king. They didn’t adequately equip us for a majority of one of the two political parties to go along with the self-declared monarch

Colleen Kochivar-Baker's avatar

They did warn about political parties, not that it did any good.

Steven Insertname's avatar

They did, but it's been slowly neutered over time, esp the last 50 years or so. Now the current administration just ignores them without penalty.

Gerald Granath's avatar

Yeah, you would have thought the Senate would have an interest in preserving the NATO Treaty that it ratified after WW2? But I guess they're powerless.

Ben Gruder's avatar

Still afraid of Trump's mob.

Gerald Granath's avatar

All it took for tough guy Lindsey Graham to go from "that's it, it's been a great run, but count me out" to genuflecting at Trump's behind were a few people yelling at him in an airport. How pathetic.

Diana E's avatar
26mEdited

Honor MLK and join a NoKings/Stop ICE rally. As someone who grew up in the Civil Rights era, I am.

willoughby's avatar

The founding fathers in their great wisdom anticipated many things, but they did not anticipate the likes of Newt Gingrich, Mitch McConnell, Stephen Miller and Donald Trump.

Shakespeare, on the other hand, did. If only he'd been available to chime in during those hot weeks in Philadelphia...

dcicero's avatar
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Re: "It’s time for Europe to see what time it is."

When I was in, what?, junior high school? We learned about the run-up to WWII, that Neville Chamberlain claimed he'd purchased "Peace in our time" by turning over the Sudetenland to Hitler and that it didn't work and appeasing Hitler just strengthened him and encouraged him to continue. The big message: appeasement doesn't work.

Everyone knew this. Everyone understood this. It wasn't really a point of historical debate.

And now here we are. And the Europeans are looking wobbly. To quote Margaret Thatcher, "This is no time to go wobbly."

It's terrible. Terrible things will happen. But they have to happen because the United States is governed by a madman that no one around him is willing to confront.

The Blockhead Chronicles's avatar

I always want to add that Chamberlain wasn't completely taken in. The UK, at the time, was in no condition to go to war and part of the reason for "peace in our time" was to BUY time. But yeah, it didn't work.

Keith Wresch's avatar

But neither was Germany, Hitler was bluffing a lot of what he needed was still on the production lines. The Czech’s on the other hand had a very well defended mountainous border and the largest arms factory in Europe. They may not have one, but they would have inflicted a lot of damage.

bitchybitchybitchy's avatar

It's also worth noting that after the carnage of WWI, and the toll that war took on European nations that averting another conflict wasn't an unreasonable idea.

max skinner's avatar

People who operate only with hindsight lack that context. Britain and most of Europe was in horrible shape economically and had lost a lot of population to war.

Dave's avatar

The reason it didn't work with Hitler and in other cases is because for example Hitler already had it in his mind/plans to take over everything. He just used appeasement to further his plans. The same with Putin on Ukraine and the same with Trump on whatever he is going after.

dcicero's avatar

So, essentially, it doesn't work with guys who want to take over everything, which is the situation we find ourselves in today. Appeasing Trump is not going to make anything better.

Linda L Kelley's avatar

I am haunted by the feeling that we are condemned to repeat the 20th century, and possibly even the 19th. And worse yet, quite possibly the 21st century experience of Iraq and Afghanistan. WTF people! It feels like that TV show (Sliders?) where the protagonists kept finding themselves in a different point in time. 😬 😱

The Blockhead Chronicles's avatar

Well, you know the old line about those who do not learn history ...

dcicero's avatar

Re: "“I don’t give a rip about Epstein,” Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) told Politico last week."

And what do the people of her congressional district think about Epstein? Somebody ought to ask. Or, better yet, somebody ought to run against her. Just a thought. Maybe somebody ought to make the point that she doesn't really need to care about Epstein. Nobody does. But we all ought to care about Epstein's victims who are not getting the justice they deserve and have earned because of people like Lauren Boebert.

jpg's avatar

She may be thinking that her Colorado constituents are now more concerned with getting her friend Tina Peters a “get out of jail free” card. Those 2 groups have some overlap.

Colleen Kochivar-Baker's avatar

Or trying to get the MAGA nutjobs to stop sending her pizzas.

J AZ's avatar

jpg - now THAT’s an easy Venn diagram

Diana E's avatar

Yeah, but it’s a small part. More and more Trump voters are feeling disillusioned.

dcicero's avatar

I wonder if she's right about that...

bitchybitchybitchy's avatar

So Lauren 's done her performative "I care about the Epstein files " bit and she's now done?

max skinner's avatar

She didn't go to Congress to enforce any laws, not even ones she helped to pass.

Dave Yell's avatar

L B is in one of those districts where she will be there as long as she wants. But I like the thought!

dcicero's avatar

I just wish the Democrats would at least try. How much could that possibly cost, to hold up a mirror? To make her defend what she says?

Dave Yell's avatar

I know what you mean. She is in one of those extremely conservative district. I know. I live in one that elected Michele Bachman and "screaming" Tom Emmer to congress. And that is in Minnesota where the state's Republican congressman support ICE and feel the shooting of Renee Good (remember her name) was justified.

TomD's avatar

Trump is butt-hurt that Norway did not exercise corrupt control over the selection of this year's Nobel Peace Prize recipient--or he does not know that it is not the country Norway that awards prizes. Either way, Greenland is now the candy story that it would be too bad if something was to happen to...

This note is the smoking gun to prove abuse of the public trust. Impeach now.

Carol S.'s avatar

It's both. He is both grotesquely selfish and stunningly stupid.

Yet there are people who have committed their energies and reputations to arguing that the vile and absurd person we can easily see is actually a man of special wisdom, common sense and heroic patriotism, guided by a moral purpose.

Carolyn Phipps's avatar

Or that he is, at least, better than a Democrat. That would be The Worst, the End of the American Way of Life and All That We Hold Dear, to elect a Democrat.

Ben Gruder's avatar

Decades of programming starting with Rush Limbaugh and many churches as "hardened their hearts". And so we will be getting more plagues.

Linda L Kelley's avatar

Better dead than Red!

Ben Gruder's avatar

If only they could figure out that Trump is the actual Red. Inserting himself into private enterprise, picking winners and losers. He wants a command economy, not free enterprise.

TomD's avatar

Those people are low-information FOX viewers/voters. Those defending seats in 10 months are not so simple minded. Either they vote to impeach now or they pay the price and see him impeached afterward anyway.

Ben Gruder's avatar

Impeaching Trump will not get rid of him because even if Dems take the senate, it will not be by a 2/3 majority.

TomD's avatar

He's crossing lines here far beyond being unruly, stupid and cruel. His behavior sees and raises all of the underlying bad behavior leading to impeachment in Britain and the US combined.

Carol S.'s avatar

Not all of them. There are well-educated people among the Trump apologists. I think they tell themselves that they have the special insight - or at least the "common sense" -- to see his true virtue.

But it's probably a matter of deciding that he would be useful for their ideological agenda and then digging themselves into a position where defending him at all times is more comfortable than admitting how wrong they've been.

Or at least they're determined that they will never, ever be on the same side as their ideological opponents, even if it's to admit that a demented psychopath should not be the president.

Tim Coffey's avatar

The GOP will never vote to impeach him. And I know you know this.

TomD's avatar

No, I don't know this. GOP electeds are falling in line one by one.

Tim Coffey's avatar

Falling in line how? Supporting his efforts to destroy a successful 80 year alliance?

TomD's avatar

No, falling in line by realizing that being complicit in destroying said 80 year alliance is far worse for their futures than being primaried by sitting president who has lost his marbles.

Linda Oliver's avatar

Cassidy anesthetized his scruples enough to confirm RFK. Jr. as HHS head, and he’s getting primaried with Trump’s blessing for his troubles. Thank you, may I have another? He should be standing there beside Murkowski and Bacon.

Linda L Kelley's avatar

The one thing I love about Trump is he always lets these fools go all the way out on a limb for him and then saws it off.

Tim Coffey's avatar

I'll believe that when I see it.

TomD's avatar

So that you might see it, start to believe it. The question is not whether they *want to* dump Trump, it is whether we can make them do it anyway, to save their seats. I add that if I'm a MAGA Republican whose seat is up in 10 months, I do not relish having to defend this shit on the campaign trail.

Colleen Kochivar-Baker's avatar

They probably have enough votes in the House to impeach him. The Senate finding Trump guilty is another question. However, if the Cook Political Report drops another 20 or so districts and Senate seats to 'leans Republican or to toss up', more might get in line.

Tim Coffey's avatar

Before the New Year, my feeling was should the Democrats win back the House, they should *not* impeach Trump and allow him to do as much damage as possible. After all, that's what 77 million people elected him to do and I believe they shouldn't be insulated from the consequences of their choice. But the first three weeks of this year has turned me around on this. The man has completely and utter lost whatever tenuous connection to reality he may have had. It'll never happen, but he needs to be removed from office via the 25th Amendment. Otherwise we're probably going to end up with a shooting war with our erstwhile allies.

J AZ's avatar

Tim - no disrespect to our international allies but shooting already started right here at home

Tim Coffey's avatar

I know, J AZ, and you're correct. I was focusing on foreign policy.

J AZ's avatar

Blessings, Tim. Was just extending your well said take to cover our local situation as well

Tim Coffey's avatar

When I consider that 3 out of 10 Americans are cheering this madness on, I realize that getting rid of Trump cannot solve our biggest problem: 3 out of 10 Americans are moral monsters.

Ben Gruder's avatar

They are like activated viruses. They've always been agnostic at best about authoritarianism and cruelty to the 'other'. But they were mostly dormant until Trump fed their inner beasts. Now, social media will provide sustenance so this cruelty will always be stoked. Sad and dangerous times for now and a generation.

Tim Coffey's avatar

My wife and I started watching "IT: Welcome to Derry" last night, and I believe that Derry's citizens and Trump voters are one in the same. There was a scene where three boys were beating the shit out of another boy in front of everyone and no one (save one woman) attempted to help the boy being beaten. Sounds like a morally vacuous people, doesn't it? Trump people, in other words.

Alondra's avatar

It looks like the hand-me-down Nobel didn't satisfy the beast.

Tim Coffey's avatar

I believe that every last penny of wealth in the world could end up in Donald Trump's bank account, and he'll never be satisfied.

Amabel Kylee Síorghlas's avatar

Right! His niece, Mary Trump, says this all the time. Sociopathic narcissists are never satiated and the sociopath part means they feel no guilt, regret, or empathy for their actions.

Colleen Kochivar-Baker's avatar

But Trump scales in the psychopath range which means he also has a large sadistic and paranoid component. This is why he's out to get his enemies, enjoys watching the ICE brutality porn, and eggs on the cruelty. I can now add delusional to his profile because on some level he knows his dementia is showing but is incapable of acknowledging it. However, that delusional component is driving a lot of what he is currently engaged in and how he thinks about it. Perfect example is the letter to the Norwegian ambassador.

Tim Coffey's avatar

He's a walking, talking black hole of need and desire. Nothing -- wealth, sex, power -- has ever filled him up. It's time, far past time, that someone or something tells him no and to piss off.

Linda Oliver's avatar

He wouldn’t be satisfied then, anymore than Musk will be satisfied with $3 trillion.

Tim Coffey's avatar

It's always more. And more. And more.

Tom Burst's avatar

I keep wondering when America’s oligarchs will decide that Trump is becoming a threat to him and try to remove him via the Senate. The oligarchs seem to have forgotten that he now controls the armed forces.

Tim Coffey's avatar

You bring up something interesting. An underappreciated reason why these people have "fuck you" money is because they've had the rule of law to protect them, and they've enjoyed the shield that NATO has provided them. You'd think that these people would consider what would happen to their bottom line if a successful alliance was blown up...

...or maybe they have and they figured out they could get even richer. And if that's that case, don't get me started on how to deal with that.

dlnevins's avatar

The way to deal with that latter possibility involves ropes and lampposts.

Linda L Kelley's avatar

The one consolation I try to take every day is knowing that Trump will never be happy.

Dave Yell's avatar

Plus impeachment would be a rallying point for Republicans. We all saw what happened after Jan 6th and when he was indicted for his numerous crimes.

dlnevins's avatar

A shooting war that could go nuclear, as both the UK and France are NATO members and have nuclear weapons.

If that possibility doesn't frighten the average person out of their wits, than the situation is indeed hopeless!

Tim Coffey's avatar

The problem is the average person is, I believe, an amoral halfwit.

dlnevins's avatar

I think that even the people who aren't amoral halfwits or delusional drinkers of the FOX News Kool-Aid have this gut-level feeling that nothing REALLY bad can ever happen to America. It's been so long since we've had a war on our own land that we've literally forgotten what true hardship and privation look like. So they just don't see the existential danger of overturning the post WW ll global order in favor of returning to the pre WW ll global order.

Linda L Kelley's avatar

JD Vance is Trump's political life insurance policy. What point is there in impeaching Trump if what we get is JD -- or Mike Johnson!

Maribeth's avatar

They all need to be held accountable and knocked off their high horses at once.

Tim Coffey's avatar

Yeah, there's that. That entire side of the aisle is going to get us killed. But given Johnson is one of those Evangelical-types, maybe inducing the end of the world is the desired goal?

Arun's avatar

What a normal, sane person might feel if trapped in a lunatic asylum, that is what the President is making us experience.

Canadian Gen X's avatar

An asylum filled with heavily armed, nuclear equipped lunatics!!

Dave Yell's avatar

or ground hog day

Rebekah Simensen's avatar

(sigh.) Love this, Bill. My heart hurts for the time we are in now. I hope my son can one day know an America once again striving for its true ideals, led by persons of honor.

Marshall's avatar

All this pain and blood spilled over the ego of one man.

Thank God we didnt elect the last guy again remember he did something even worse.

He was old.

Mike Lew's avatar

Yup, we dodged a bullet by getting rid of Genocide Joe!

dlnevins's avatar

We dodged a bullet by jumping on top of a hand grenade. Go us!

Justin Lee's avatar

I'm old enough to remember when Trump wanted more Norwegians to immigrate to the United States. Now, Norway is this close to joining the countries on the Muslim ban list.

Judith Berghuis's avatar

Yesterday we started our worship service at First Parish Congregational Church in Yarmouth, Maine with "We Shall Overcome". We discussed the reality of ICE coming to Portland, Maine and how it's impacting families and how frightened we all are. We celebrated the gift of MLK,jr.'s life and his accomplishments. It was good to be with like minded folks on a cold, snowy morning in Maine.

Patricia Veech's avatar

I seem to be on the verge of tears often these days. Most recently watching the inauguration of Virginia's new governor on Saturday. Bill's beautiful words about Reverend King fed my soul this morning. Thank you.

Linda L Kelley's avatar

I was wiping away tears the entire time. Inspiration like this is balm for the soul. 🙏

Dan Sescleifer's avatar

If Trump doesn’t invade Greenland, does that make it 9 wars he’s stopped?

Linda L Kelley's avatar

If only the Nobel Committee would consider all of the 190 or so countries Trump has not invaded and do the right thing! (sarcasm)

Dave Yell's avatar

There is no end to what shocks and surprises us regarding actions of DJT. This morning while skimming the news, I saw a CNN headline that says that Trump's snub of the Nobel prize led to his actions on Greenland. Naturally I thought this was an opinion/analysis piece. But I checked NBC and CBS. Same story. I am simply flabbergasted! This is beyond amazement. There are opinions that we have a president with the mindset of a toddler or seven year old spoiled brat. But that is truly an insult to toddlers and seven year old spoiled brats.

Carol S.'s avatar

What really befuddles me is the mentality of certain highly educated people who have zealously defended him. Their acceptance if his idiocy is more puzzling than the poverty of their moral judgment.

Dave Yell's avatar

Carol I totally agree.

Linda L Kelley's avatar

But muh stock market!

dlnevins's avatar

They should take a closer look at that market - international stocks are outpacing US stocks (which is the opposite of what we usually see in the market).

Hortense's avatar

Glad to know that you can still be flabbergasted.

Hortense's avatar

When I read about Trump prior to his first term, one thing that stood out was that he needed to be wrested to the ground, so to speak, in order to actually comply with contracts, etc. As we have seen, appeasement does not work. Europe is going to have to get tough and wrestle him to the ground, with all the requisite damage that will occur to all sides. Otherwise, they will just lose more and more as Trump wants more and more.

Amabel Kylee Síorghlas's avatar

I wish Europe would just give him the collective middle finger: turn their backs, and refuse to deal with him on anything. The EU could say, "You want to screw up our alliance, you silly sausage? Your loss. Well, then we'll conduct our business (economic, military, etc.) without you." (They are sort of doing some of this now...) Continue to circle up their defenses around Greenland. The Orange One wants his shows of alpha strength to be in-and-out fast military actions, made for good social media fodder—big and sparkly; sneaky operations and things that go "boom!" But he also seems to want low cost in terms of public opinion (aka no boots on the ground, very few American casualties). I'm no expert in war, but my guess is that if the EU gangs up and stands together and doesn't make common cause with this deranged fascist, he will retreat. Because he doesn't want to risk losing. It's the way with bullies. If they pick on you and you go after them, they retreat. They are big scaredy-cats. Dangerous, but, as Ruth Ben-Ghiat often says, they are primarily motivated by fear.

Keith Wresch's avatar

I don’t think the Europeans are afraid, but it is hard to suddenly reorient 80 years of policy and relationships. You can argue the Europeans haven’t carried their load, but we wanted to be in control. We provided the security guarantees, we provided the troops that still remain in Europe because that gave us control and leverage. Trying to unwind that on the whims of a demented old man are never easy. The European response to Greenland has been clear eyed and united, and isn’t the evidence of a scared Europe.

Hortense's avatar

Part of what Europe will need to do is to figure out how to protect Ukraine. In the event of Europe standing their ground, I can see Trump abandoning Ukraine and fully side with Putin.

Linda L Kelley's avatar

I think they are trying to get as much as they can out of us in terms of support for Ukraine while preparing for the worst.

Linda L Kelley's avatar

I wonder to what extent they haven't already turned their backs on us but are simply maintaining a smooth facade. I can't believe the other members of the Five Eyes are didn't stop sharing anything damaging to their networks years ago in very subtle ways.

Keith Wresch's avatar

It should have been titled: The Art of Not Keeping a Deal.

Hortense's avatar

I've come to appreciate that Trump has very little, if any, advanced negotiation skills. He is limited to bullying.

Mary Kay Larcom's avatar

And, unfortunately, a large number of Americans don’t understand the difference between a bully and a leader.

wiredog's avatar

According to the BBC, Trump has publicly said he's going after Greenland because he didn't get the Nobel.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy7mev35x2lo

I wonder if anyone in a position to act is considering the 25th Amendment?

It sure would be nice it the Democratic Party leadership would do more than express concern.

Justin Lee's avatar

The logic is straight as an arrow.

1. Trump was denied the Nobel Peace Prize.

2. The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded in Norway.

3. Denmark is close to Norway (not as close as it is to Sweden, but let's not get lost in the details).

4. Greenland is an autonomous territory of Denmark.

5. Ergo, Trump is fully justified in invading Greenland.

dlnevins's avatar

The underlying logic is even simpler:

1. I am entitled to get everything I want.

2. I WANT GREENLAND!

Justin Lee's avatar

Or even, "No Peace Prize, no peace."

Terry Mc Kenna's avatar

I volunteered at a local National Park site for 10 years. We would often host a day of cleaning up the park as park of MLK Day a Day of Service. There is not one this year. Of course it is also the dead of Winter in NJ but I looked on line and don't see any nearby volunteer opportunities. This seems to be part of an effort to go backward.