I can forgive a 30 year old for not imagining a world different from today, but for people who are 40 and older, it is astonishing that they cannot see that - all things considered, we are doing pretty well. Even better if we consider the headwinds from COVID and the residual supply chain problems. So inflation may seem stubborn, but it appears that the trends are generally good. And many of us have jobs.
And on the world stage, the US has the respect of its peers.
A legitimate conservative point of view would be supportive. Would recognize that some govt interventions are necessary (as with health care). Yet the GOP simply wants to unravel. To what end? Would Florida's tourist and vacation-home economy survive oil spills on its beaches? Would America really enjoy it if the entire nation experienced the smoggy skies we are seeing right now in the Northeast?
Do we really want to see the large freight rail companies left to their own devices - so to continue to avoid the employment of better safety devices?
None of this says we cannot have a conservative party that reminds liberals that folks need to make money - to run businesses. And they everything bad is not the result of Capitalism gone amok. But the GOP needs to accept that the US today is not the US of 1928 or even 1968.
Too bad for Haley, but how can anyone praise Trump. You just have to look at that stupid made up face and the bad hair plugs colored orange and his rotund, flabby, weak body and be nauseated.
Anyone who had tried an induction cooktop would dispense with the “save gas stoves” nonsense. I was forced into it because gas infrastructure was not in place for a newly bought house. And FYI, Biden is not senile.
Kudos to Joe Perticone for being able to bear talking with these Repub. House morons and I presume holding his tongue and keeping a straight face. I would simply be incapable of letting moronic lies from some smug politician just lie there without an angry response. I guess that's why they pay Joe the big bucks!
Would you people quit putting that idiot Ralph Norman in NC. God knows with fools like McHenry and Bishop we have enough fools as it is without shouldering the burden of Norman as well. As for the freedumb caucus they once again cut off their nose to spite their face. How about something about Gym Jordan demanding an outline of the DOJ investigation of t**** and documents what exactly legislative purpose is he pretending to have for this? I expect what he really wants to know about is the sedition investigation and if his name appears, it should.
It always shows true maturity and gravitas to vote against a bill you're in favor of because you're throwing a temper tantrum. I mean, it's a ridiculous, stupid bill, but it's a ridiculous, stupid bill these idiots want.
The Ralph Norman episode is just a pure distillation of why the GOP is utterly irredeemable. When Joe points out to him that his endorsements of Haley are so flattering to Trump that Trump's team is turning them into ads, Norman doesn't seem to think of this as a problem for him, the GOP, or the candidate he claims to want as the nominee.
"But messaging bills don’t quite send the right message when your side can’t even get them to the House floor for a vote."
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In actuality, messaging bills serve *no* purpose other than to stir up the base, whether or not it makes it to a floor vote. There is nothing within such a bill that will actually create laws that will accomplish anything worthwhile, that will improve the lives of all Americans - including Magadonians.
It all boils down to "messaging bills = political theater." The House PseudoRepubs, PseudoCons and RINOs are all paper tigers who just act the part of Congresspeople. In fact, IMO, should any of these legislators (and I use the term very loosely) try to introduce legislation that *might* garner bipartisan support they can expect to be Primaried out of office for disloyalty to the cause.
I'm fortunate to live with a left-wing induction stove which cares about my health and the health of the planet. Furthermore, it's a lot more pleasant to use.
Your stove and my stove should form a bipartisan unity ticket!
(My propane naughtiness is because I live off grid. I don’t get enough solar to power anything with a heating element for very long. But I do feel guilty, with this new knowledge of the politics of my stove. And my on-demand propane hot water too! I’m surrounded by right wing appliances!)
Actually when I was a teen I was at my grandmother's and we were woken up by my friend who said you could smell the gas outside. Apparently the gas stove had a leak. We could have died from the gas or the apartment could have blown up. I decided to never, ever have a gas stove where I lived.
“Now they can negotiate further to mend conservatives’ feelings and reconsider, leading to potentially more gas stove votes”.
Oh yes, because this is The Most Pressing Problem.
Please do not call them conservatives. They are christofascists.
And by all means let’s give the RFP (Republican Fascist Party) the majority. They govern so well. I feel perfectly comfortable with the likes of Loud Mouth Chip Roy, Blow Hard Marjorie T Greene, and Loose Cannon Lauren-Get-My-Gun-Boebert having access to the nuclear codes, don’t you? /s
Trump couldn't walk 700 feet with other foreign leaders. They had to carry him in a golf cart. Reminds me of the movie Wallie and the people in floaty chairs. On the other hand Biden bikes regularly.
One of the signal images of the Trump presidency, on Taormina, a picturesque island that people visit *to* stroll, the leaders of the world's greatest democracies all walk and talk together... and Donald Trump putters along behind in his golf cart, looking sour.
If the rule vote is indicative of future voting patterns for House Rs, my characterization in another comment thread of many Rs having oppositional defiant disorder looks pretty accurate.
As such, what with having a disability, they should each have a special aide sitting beside them to help them with inner locus of control. And reading, and counting.
After I finished laughing at the image your comment brought to mind, I started to wonder if ODD is classified as neurodevelopmental disorder (those that usually begin and are diagnosed in infancy or childhood). I haven't found a clear answer in my cursory research (DSM material is much more tightly held than it used to be; in graduate school a book rep gave me a clipboard with a complete outline of all the DSM IV categories & diagnoses); but given its connection to ADHD, it seems to be.
All this is a long (and wine-fueled) way of saying you're right.
The day I learned that ODD was an official disability, was the day I started to understand conservatism. But I didn’t become one. I didn’t give up completely.
All your "talk" of DSM IV (and III and V) reminds me what many years of criminal defense taught about those for whom it was devised: I never met a shrink who didn't need one.
The uni I went to for grad school was large, and the psychology department sprawled over parts of three buildings at the time. Experimental psych (my field) was the most removed from the other areas, so we didn't really interact much with the clinical and counseling people until we started teaching intro psych courses. More interesting than talking to them was listening to them talk amongst themselves; there seemed to be subtle competition as to whose life had been most f*cked up when they were younger.
Ha, I hadn't noticed that! Knowing a little of the bureaucracy and committees involved in anything related to "The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders," it probably is an accident.
I can forgive a 30 year old for not imagining a world different from today, but for people who are 40 and older, it is astonishing that they cannot see that - all things considered, we are doing pretty well. Even better if we consider the headwinds from COVID and the residual supply chain problems. So inflation may seem stubborn, but it appears that the trends are generally good. And many of us have jobs.
And on the world stage, the US has the respect of its peers.
A legitimate conservative point of view would be supportive. Would recognize that some govt interventions are necessary (as with health care). Yet the GOP simply wants to unravel. To what end? Would Florida's tourist and vacation-home economy survive oil spills on its beaches? Would America really enjoy it if the entire nation experienced the smoggy skies we are seeing right now in the Northeast?
Do we really want to see the large freight rail companies left to their own devices - so to continue to avoid the employment of better safety devices?
None of this says we cannot have a conservative party that reminds liberals that folks need to make money - to run businesses. And they everything bad is not the result of Capitalism gone amok. But the GOP needs to accept that the US today is not the US of 1928 or even 1968.
Too bad for Haley, but how can anyone praise Trump. You just have to look at that stupid made up face and the bad hair plugs colored orange and his rotund, flabby, weak body and be nauseated.
I just love the was that the Gang Who Couldn't Shoot Straight keeps hitting their own with friendly fire.
Anyone who had tried an induction cooktop would dispense with the “save gas stoves” nonsense. I was forced into it because gas infrastructure was not in place for a newly bought house. And FYI, Biden is not senile.
I don't think the cooks were declawed, they just got a little bit of a pedlaced, Whatever it takes!
Kudos to Joe Perticone for being able to bear talking with these Repub. House morons and I presume holding his tongue and keeping a straight face. I would simply be incapable of letting moronic lies from some smug politician just lie there without an angry response. I guess that's why they pay Joe the big bucks!
Would you people quit putting that idiot Ralph Norman in NC. God knows with fools like McHenry and Bishop we have enough fools as it is without shouldering the burden of Norman as well. As for the freedumb caucus they once again cut off their nose to spite their face. How about something about Gym Jordan demanding an outline of the DOJ investigation of t**** and documents what exactly legislative purpose is he pretending to have for this? I expect what he really wants to know about is the sedition investigation and if his name appears, it should.
Oh well
It always shows true maturity and gravitas to vote against a bill you're in favor of because you're throwing a temper tantrum. I mean, it's a ridiculous, stupid bill, but it's a ridiculous, stupid bill these idiots want.
The Ralph Norman episode is just a pure distillation of why the GOP is utterly irredeemable. When Joe points out to him that his endorsements of Haley are so flattering to Trump that Trump's team is turning them into ads, Norman doesn't seem to think of this as a problem for him, the GOP, or the candidate he claims to want as the nominee.
"But messaging bills don’t quite send the right message when your side can’t even get them to the House floor for a vote."
-----
In actuality, messaging bills serve *no* purpose other than to stir up the base, whether or not it makes it to a floor vote. There is nothing within such a bill that will actually create laws that will accomplish anything worthwhile, that will improve the lives of all Americans - including Magadonians.
It all boils down to "messaging bills = political theater." The House PseudoRepubs, PseudoCons and RINOs are all paper tigers who just act the part of Congresspeople. In fact, IMO, should any of these legislators (and I use the term very loosely) try to introduce legislation that *might* garner bipartisan support they can expect to be Primaried out of office for disloyalty to the cause.
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The Haley "Campaign" is feckless beyond all belief. South Carolina is one giant mill for Trump sycophants.
Well, South Carolina was pivotal for Biden, so I forgive their other eccentricities.
Freedom Caucus gonna Freedom Caucus.
So the government has the right to regulate a woman’s uterus but not stoves…
Sure, that makes sense.
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Stoves are more deserving of “protection and freedom”.
My own propane stove is a right wing nut, begging to stay. It won’t shut up about it.
I'm fortunate to live with a left-wing induction stove which cares about my health and the health of the planet. Furthermore, it's a lot more pleasant to use.
Your stove and my stove should form a bipartisan unity ticket!
(My propane naughtiness is because I live off grid. I don’t get enough solar to power anything with a heating element for very long. But I do feel guilty, with this new knowledge of the politics of my stove. And my on-demand propane hot water too! I’m surrounded by right wing appliances!)
I have always had electric stoves.
Shhh! Leftie virtue signaling. Don’t let a Republican hear you say that! They now have no choice but to champion gas appliances.
Actually when I was a teen I was at my grandmother's and we were woken up by my friend who said you could smell the gas outside. Apparently the gas stove had a leak. We could have died from the gas or the apartment could have blown up. I decided to never, ever have a gas stove where I lived.
“Now they can negotiate further to mend conservatives’ feelings and reconsider, leading to potentially more gas stove votes”.
Oh yes, because this is The Most Pressing Problem.
Please do not call them conservatives. They are christofascists.
And by all means let’s give the RFP (Republican Fascist Party) the majority. They govern so well. I feel perfectly comfortable with the likes of Loud Mouth Chip Roy, Blow Hard Marjorie T Greene, and Loose Cannon Lauren-Get-My-Gun-Boebert having access to the nuclear codes, don’t you? /s
We have a senile President who outmaneuvered us on the debt ceiling negotiations and, earlier, on not going after Social Security and Medicare.
On National T!. He owned those heckling Republicans and played them like a fiddle. That's what have 30+ years if legislative experience looks like.
Who could do more push-ups, Trump or Biden?
Trump couldn't walk 700 feet with other foreign leaders. They had to carry him in a golf cart. Reminds me of the movie Wallie and the people in floaty chairs. On the other hand Biden bikes regularly.
One of the signal images of the Trump presidency, on Taormina, a picturesque island that people visit *to* stroll, the leaders of the world's greatest democracies all walk and talk together... and Donald Trump putters along behind in his golf cart, looking sour.
I know. But Biden is old
Who would win a spelling contest?
Trump would certainly win a punctuation contest.
In ALL CAPS.
They lack self awareness. Inconvenient facts are wasted on them.
My Kevin would disagree with you:
"Even Speaker Kevin McCarthy testified that Mr. Biden had been “very professional, very smart, very tough” during their talks. "
(from https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/04/us/politics/biden-president-age-2024.html)
It’s precisely this that Rep. Norman disagrees with when he disparages Biden. Of course, Ralph wasn’t in the room--for good reason!
What does it make "us" if "we" were beaten by a "senile"? Brain dead?
If the rule vote is indicative of future voting patterns for House Rs, my characterization in another comment thread of many Rs having oppositional defiant disorder looks pretty accurate.
As such, what with having a disability, they should each have a special aide sitting beside them to help them with inner locus of control. And reading, and counting.
After I finished laughing at the image your comment brought to mind, I started to wonder if ODD is classified as neurodevelopmental disorder (those that usually begin and are diagnosed in infancy or childhood). I haven't found a clear answer in my cursory research (DSM material is much more tightly held than it used to be; in graduate school a book rep gave me a clipboard with a complete outline of all the DSM IV categories & diagnoses); but given its connection to ADHD, it seems to be.
All this is a long (and wine-fueled) way of saying you're right.
The day I learned that ODD was an official disability, was the day I started to understand conservatism. But I didn’t become one. I didn’t give up completely.
All your "talk" of DSM IV (and III and V) reminds me what many years of criminal defense taught about those for whom it was devised: I never met a shrink who didn't need one.
And that’s why they became shrinks. My former father-in-law was one, so I’m an expert on the subject.
The uni I went to for grad school was large, and the psychology department sprawled over parts of three buildings at the time. Experimental psych (my field) was the most removed from the other areas, so we didn't really interact much with the clinical and counseling people until we started teaching intro psych courses. More interesting than talking to them was listening to them talk amongst themselves; there seemed to be subtle competition as to whose life had been most f*cked up when they were younger.
All I can think of is Groucho Marx singng "whatever it is, I'm against it".
Oppositional Defiant Disorder: The acronym is not just accidentally ODD, right?
Ha, I hadn't noticed that! Knowing a little of the bureaucracy and committees involved in anything related to "The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders," it probably is an accident.
Could well be, but fitting nonetheless.