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Frank Lee's avatar

I live in liberal land and have for over 40 years. Much of my extended family lives in Trump land. My Trump land relatives call me a liberal for my social views. I am a center-right libertarian from my checklist of political principles and beliefs.

But living as I do in liberal land, and having decades of experience debating the species, it is common for them to claim that they are independent while demonstrating almost complete solidarity with the progressive left orthodoxy of the time.

So I always call BS on that... sorry, you don't get to claim membership in a moderate or center political tribe while ranting the same as a standard issue liberal. Certainly there are old-style establishment Republicans that are anti-Trump, but they don't tend to support anything the Democrats stand for today.

My position is that Trump is somewhat like Teddie Roosevelt, Winston Churchill or George S. Patton. He is a SOB, but he is a needed SOB given the challenges of the time.

Center-right people tend to be pragmatic about their politics (saving their emotive energy for God, family and community). They don't get all wee weed up about character issues if the politician is doing what he said he would do. You can identify a lefty because they tend to do the exact opposite... not care much what the politician is getting done as long as he says the right words.

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Terry Hilldale's avatar

Just more blah blah blah from you. As Bill Kristol said, "Tons of counter-programming from the Right. But no counter-evidence. " Here is the bottom-line: Donald Trump was the head of a criminal conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election. As Bill Barr quashed one conspiracy theory after another, he finally concluded that Trump had lost touch with reality. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWl_JxwbFr4 Almost everything Trump supporters say is projection. All patriots of any political stripe do not support Trump. Don't ever tell anyone how Trump supporters are more moral than anyone else. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVJabiqgbJc

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Cheerio's avatar

There is no cure for the zombie virus.

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Frank Lee's avatar

Your bottom line is made from the stuff that the bottom excretes. I'm starting to wonder if you clutch to this cult belief of mythological nonsense because it helps you attract liberal chicks? Maybe you are not very attractive as a manly man or maybe you are short. That tends to make some people demonstrate their Good Man virtue to libs to get more *P*.

Or maybe not and you are just caught in a left media vortex and cannot escape.

Critical thinking is the analysis of available facts, evidence, observations, and arguments to form a judgment. The subject is complex; several different definitions exist, which generally include the rational, skeptical, and unbiased analysis or evaluation of factual evidence.

Emotive hyperbole does not factor into critical thinking. Neither does repeated political rhetoric that has no sufficient basis in real fact.

Donald Trump thought Democrats stole the election. So did many others, and many still do today. There is ample evidence today that he was correct. His interest was to overturn the election that was fraudulent; not to steal a legitimate election. You cannot project current perspectives on historical actions and claim to be a critical thinker... that is what cultists do. Now, you can make the case that the courts have ruled against him and that today it has been proven that there is not enough evidence to prove illegal election activity... and so today he would be guilty of sedition or insurrection if he assembled an army to try and take the capitol. But at the time he and others were certain the Democrats cheated. And they did... but got away with it.

The reason that 85% of OECD countries - older democracies than ours - ban mail-in ballots is that ballot fraud is both inevitable and almost impossible to prove and it takes so much time to investigate that the real election outcomes would would not be determined for months if not years... thus putting the entire political system in a state of chaos.

So please stop with the Jan-6 mythology. You are better than that... I think.

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Terry Hilldale's avatar

I see. You would rather engage in blah blah blah counter programming. You won't even consider the evidence, and you have offered no evidence, only speculation. Trump's inner circle examined all those speculations and have testified they found them without merit. Trump rejected the evidence and went with his Big Lie prompting his inner circle to consider the 25th Amendment. Pence demurred especially with the end of the term so near anyway.

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