At least more media seems to be seeing the insufficiency of his responses relative to the seriousness of the Ukraine situation. Not sure that registers with his core voters, though.
As I said elsewhere on this thread, I think for some people -- the ones who really aren't stupid -- it isn't so much about admiring Trump as about hating the people who dislike Trump.
I am a rhetorician by education and experience. Rhetoricians have been studying persuasion and motivation and epistemology for a while now. As Aristotle said. rhetoric is the antistrophos of dialectic.
These people are not brainwashed in the conventional sense of the word. The giveaway is the fact that the party (and its ideology) morphed. It was not the people changing to meet the party and its ideology, it was the party changing to meet the desires of the people.
The trajectory is clear, even if the mechanism is complex and not necessarily one sided (nothing is ever that simple when it comes to human behavior). Not going to go into that now for reasons of time and space--maybe I will write about it in my blog (blatant plug there).
Trump was the guy who "said what everyone was thinking." Seemingly without fear and with NFG. That is why he is perceived as strong and why they eagerly leap to his defense (despite his many sins).
Like called to like, even if the like didn't initially strongly identify.
You then get a mutually reinforcing cycle centered on shared identity and belief that is only reinforced by outside "persecution."
These people believe either because they already believed ITFP or because it became a necessary part of their identity. They WANT to believe.
I'm not an expert in anything but what you described sounds a lot like brainwashing and I wasn't aware that there's a rule that says that brainwashing can't morph along the way.
If the brainwashing goal is to "Hate Dems' but the Dems keep changing...Bill Clinton to Obama to Hillary to Biden, etc. I don't think that means it's not brainwashing...it is simply using the best available material at the time.
What is brainwashing in the "conventional sense" (your words) and why isn't this it? Like I said...I read your description and if you told me that was a definition of brainwashing...in a cult....I would agree that's what's happening to the GOP.
Very well said. I think "brainwashing" has been the term used, but this describes what I've seen happening so clearly (or at least my lay understanding of it).
Listening to Sarah Longwell's "Focus Group" podcast makes that so much clearer than I ever imagined. They didn't just drink the Kool-Aid, they're hooked up to an IV while swimming in a pool of it.
It is so effing depressing to still have to talk about Trump.
At least more media seems to be seeing the insufficiency of his responses relative to the seriousness of the Ukraine situation. Not sure that registers with his core voters, though.
As I said elsewhere on this thread, I think for some people -- the ones who really aren't stupid -- it isn't so much about admiring Trump as about hating the people who dislike Trump.
That's true, but they only hate them because of media propaganda focusing on the crazies.
I don't think they at all. They have been totally brainwashed.
Not really.
I am a rhetorician by education and experience. Rhetoricians have been studying persuasion and motivation and epistemology for a while now. As Aristotle said. rhetoric is the antistrophos of dialectic.
These people are not brainwashed in the conventional sense of the word. The giveaway is the fact that the party (and its ideology) morphed. It was not the people changing to meet the party and its ideology, it was the party changing to meet the desires of the people.
The trajectory is clear, even if the mechanism is complex and not necessarily one sided (nothing is ever that simple when it comes to human behavior). Not going to go into that now for reasons of time and space--maybe I will write about it in my blog (blatant plug there).
Trump was the guy who "said what everyone was thinking." Seemingly without fear and with NFG. That is why he is perceived as strong and why they eagerly leap to his defense (despite his many sins).
Like called to like, even if the like didn't initially strongly identify.
You then get a mutually reinforcing cycle centered on shared identity and belief that is only reinforced by outside "persecution."
These people believe either because they already believed ITFP or because it became a necessary part of their identity. They WANT to believe.
I'm not an expert in anything but what you described sounds a lot like brainwashing and I wasn't aware that there's a rule that says that brainwashing can't morph along the way.
If the brainwashing goal is to "Hate Dems' but the Dems keep changing...Bill Clinton to Obama to Hillary to Biden, etc. I don't think that means it's not brainwashing...it is simply using the best available material at the time.
What is brainwashing in the "conventional sense" (your words) and why isn't this it? Like I said...I read your description and if you told me that was a definition of brainwashing...in a cult....I would agree that's what's happening to the GOP.
Very well said. I think "brainwashing" has been the term used, but this describes what I've seen happening so clearly (or at least my lay understanding of it).
Listening to Sarah Longwell's "Focus Group" podcast makes that so much clearer than I ever imagined. They didn't just drink the Kool-Aid, they're hooked up to an IV while swimming in a pool of it.