I guess I just don’t understand what fighting harder means. He tried to pass voting rights, policing reforms, and more aggressive gun bills. He doesn’t have the votes. Also I just don’t think he realizes that even if he “fought harder” how exactly does that message get conveyed to people? It’s not like our media will cover it
I guess I just don’t understand what fighting harder means. He tried to pass voting rights, policing reforms, and more aggressive gun bills. He doesn’t have the votes. Also I just don’t think he realizes that even if he “fought harder” how exactly does that message get conveyed to people? It’s not like our media will cover it
The point is on the GOP side - people who disagree with the party eventually get ground down and either tossed out or replaced, while the Democratic party has members who seem to openly hate other members of their own coalition than they do Republican's and get to openly basically flip off the President, and get tons of money for doing so.
I also think you make the media cover it, and create your own media. Not a center-left org like MSNBC that still has Republican's anchoring their morning hour.
But, like a lot of stuff people like Rush Limbaugh said in 1980 actually was beyond the pale in polite society, until thousands of hours of radio being beamed into millions of people's heads made it not so.
Hell, the same thing happened with social stuff - like, the cons are sort of right is we made people comfortable with gay people by having lots of normal gay people on TV and movies. Because that had Hollywood behind it.
Notice how the GOP has a message they repeat, repeat, repeat, no matter what the question is. It's ugly, it sucks, but it works.
Imagine if every Democrat, from Joe Manchin to AOC, when mentioning Trump, said "Donald Trump, who's a lying rapist who tried to overturn the election," and so did every host on this new liberal channel, and so on, and so forth, and that effects how CNN & The New York Times covers things.
Because that's the true genius of the online crazies -> Brietbart -> FOX -> Wall Street Journal -> CNN channel is crazy stuff can become something that needs to be talked about on CNN as reasonable the way we can't pull off.
I think this is all slightly overstated by my fellow lefties, but I do think it does cause issues at the edges, and the edges are where things change.
Hmm I agree with everything here but…so what? The Democratic coalition and media ecosystem is drastically different than the gop. I’m not sure we can learn from any of it.
There are plenty of “liberal/democratic” media that are fully partisan. Take pod save America. The difference is they will never be a mouth piece for the party. Those guys criticize Biden all the time.
The issue is fundamentally the audience. The democratic coalition is so DIVERSE not only on race but opinion. There is literally no overlap. Things you would say to the liberal whites would turnoff most black and Hispanic voters.
Don’t get me wrong, I want to find a way to “even the odds.” I just don’t see how? Look around the developed world: Israel, Europe, Canada, Australia, etc. have the same exact issues that we do. “Conservatives” have become mostly far right parties and the center left has collapsed and the left is lost. No idea what to do but it’s not just a US problem
Such a fascinating convo. Well done tim.
I guess I just don’t understand what fighting harder means. He tried to pass voting rights, policing reforms, and more aggressive gun bills. He doesn’t have the votes. Also I just don’t think he realizes that even if he “fought harder” how exactly does that message get conveyed to people? It’s not like our media will cover it
The point is on the GOP side - people who disagree with the party eventually get ground down and either tossed out or replaced, while the Democratic party has members who seem to openly hate other members of their own coalition than they do Republican's and get to openly basically flip off the President, and get tons of money for doing so.
I also think you make the media cover it, and create your own media. Not a center-left org like MSNBC that still has Republican's anchoring their morning hour.
But, like a lot of stuff people like Rush Limbaugh said in 1980 actually was beyond the pale in polite society, until thousands of hours of radio being beamed into millions of people's heads made it not so.
Hell, the same thing happened with social stuff - like, the cons are sort of right is we made people comfortable with gay people by having lots of normal gay people on TV and movies. Because that had Hollywood behind it.
Notice how the GOP has a message they repeat, repeat, repeat, no matter what the question is. It's ugly, it sucks, but it works.
Imagine if every Democrat, from Joe Manchin to AOC, when mentioning Trump, said "Donald Trump, who's a lying rapist who tried to overturn the election," and so did every host on this new liberal channel, and so on, and so forth, and that effects how CNN & The New York Times covers things.
Because that's the true genius of the online crazies -> Brietbart -> FOX -> Wall Street Journal -> CNN channel is crazy stuff can become something that needs to be talked about on CNN as reasonable the way we can't pull off.
I think this is all slightly overstated by my fellow lefties, but I do think it does cause issues at the edges, and the edges are where things change.
Hmm I agree with everything here but…so what? The Democratic coalition and media ecosystem is drastically different than the gop. I’m not sure we can learn from any of it.
There are plenty of “liberal/democratic” media that are fully partisan. Take pod save America. The difference is they will never be a mouth piece for the party. Those guys criticize Biden all the time.
The issue is fundamentally the audience. The democratic coalition is so DIVERSE not only on race but opinion. There is literally no overlap. Things you would say to the liberal whites would turnoff most black and Hispanic voters.
Don’t get me wrong, I want to find a way to “even the odds.” I just don’t see how? Look around the developed world: Israel, Europe, Canada, Australia, etc. have the same exact issues that we do. “Conservatives” have become mostly far right parties and the center left has collapsed and the left is lost. No idea what to do but it’s not just a US problem