Hamas is a shitshow. It is a terrorist/authoritarian regime-ish organization. Not sure how to describe them because they aren’t a state but they govern and are a terrorist organization. Talk about confusion.
But the PLA has been a non genocidal organization that has assisted with Israel’s secur…
Hamas is a shitshow. It is a terrorist/authoritarian regime-ish organization. Not sure how to describe them because they aren’t a state but they govern and are a terrorist organization. Talk about confusion.
But the PLA has been a non genocidal organization that has assisted with Israel’s security for 20 years. Literally 20 years. They have been an asset of the idf and Israeli government. They are corrupt as hell because (1) they work with Israel and get the boons from that and (2) the public is so pissed that they work with the IDf yet NOTHING that leads to progress with statehood.
During these 20 years the Israeli government has defunded them, discriminated against them, denigrated them, never made any effort towards peace and even spent time and money to make Hamas more successful. During this entire time they have massively expanded illegal settlements in the West Bank to further erode the pla in front of their people.
Israel doesn’t want a 2 state solution. That is just a fact. Bibi sent requests to Trump to make sure that the treasury wouldn’t sanction Qatar for supporting Hamas. He has publicly said he supports Hamas to stop the 2 state solution (bibi). Literally the settlers run the police and the national defense today. Today. The head of defense has been convicted of terrorism by Israelis.
They will not change without a drastic push. All of our allies. All of them except Germany and the UK are against what Israeli has been doing. Another 5 European countries have announced they will recognize a Palestinian state since October. The only country that Israel gives 2 shits about is the US because we give them weapons (which is absurd. They are a developed country. They should buy it if they want but we shouldn’t fund it). I don’t think we will change our stance for a lot of good and bad reasons. The bad is all about US politics.
The issue of peace isn’t just a Palestinian issue. It’s also an Israeli issue. Both sides would have to make dramatic sacrifices. I have no good ideas but just blaming Palestinians isn’t right
I hear you but the problem is the details. That’s always been the problem. The definition of a state to Palestine is very different than the definition of a state for Israel.
I do actually think if say, in 2005, Israel fully pulled out of the West Bank & Gaza, outside of the biggest settlements, and unilaterally recognized Palestine, we'd be better off, because Palestine could be treated like an actual sovereign state, for good and ill.
I’m honestly not sure how to respond to this.
Hamas is a shitshow. It is a terrorist/authoritarian regime-ish organization. Not sure how to describe them because they aren’t a state but they govern and are a terrorist organization. Talk about confusion.
But the PLA has been a non genocidal organization that has assisted with Israel’s security for 20 years. Literally 20 years. They have been an asset of the idf and Israeli government. They are corrupt as hell because (1) they work with Israel and get the boons from that and (2) the public is so pissed that they work with the IDf yet NOTHING that leads to progress with statehood.
During these 20 years the Israeli government has defunded them, discriminated against them, denigrated them, never made any effort towards peace and even spent time and money to make Hamas more successful. During this entire time they have massively expanded illegal settlements in the West Bank to further erode the pla in front of their people.
Israel doesn’t want a 2 state solution. That is just a fact. Bibi sent requests to Trump to make sure that the treasury wouldn’t sanction Qatar for supporting Hamas. He has publicly said he supports Hamas to stop the 2 state solution (bibi). Literally the settlers run the police and the national defense today. Today. The head of defense has been convicted of terrorism by Israelis.
They will not change without a drastic push. All of our allies. All of them except Germany and the UK are against what Israeli has been doing. Another 5 European countries have announced they will recognize a Palestinian state since October. The only country that Israel gives 2 shits about is the US because we give them weapons (which is absurd. They are a developed country. They should buy it if they want but we shouldn’t fund it). I don’t think we will change our stance for a lot of good and bad reasons. The bad is all about US politics.
The issue of peace isn’t just a Palestinian issue. It’s also an Israeli issue. Both sides would have to make dramatic sacrifices. I have no good ideas but just blaming Palestinians isn’t right
This is getting bogged down in details. Dump a fucking state in their lap and let them figure it out. I'm not seeing the downside.
I hear you but the problem is the details. That’s always been the problem. The definition of a state to Palestine is very different than the definition of a state for Israel.
I do actually think if say, in 2005, Israel fully pulled out of the West Bank & Gaza, outside of the biggest settlements, and unilaterally recognized Palestine, we'd be better off, because Palestine could be treated like an actual sovereign state, for good and ill.