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Kim M Murphy's avatar

Was the American public responsible for electing Trump? Bibi doesn’t win majorities either.

I’m reasonably confident that a nation like Israel isn’t worried about winning a popularity contest. It’s worried about whether it continues to exist.

Most of America doesn’t oppose the war and only for a tiny minority will it affect their vote. In Della Volpe’s Harvard Youth Poll (a gold standard) voters 18-29 identified it as 13th in importance to their vote. Thirteenth.

Israel has a repulsive right wing, steeped in religious nonsense. Sound familiar? Either it saves itself or it doesn’t, but your suggestion that it stop defending its right to exist because it elected someone who is scrambling to stay out of prison is a tiny bit antisemitic. And since it is the only democracy and the only source of Mideast intel in allyship with the US, we have a vital role in helping it survive.

It feels a bit rich to me that whether Israel doesn’t trust Palestinians is more bewildering or surprising than why a single Arab nation won’t take them in. Why do you suppose Egypt built a wall to keep them out? Or Jordan? Food for thought.

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Elizabeth McIlvaine's avatar

Where did I suggest that Israel stop defending it’s right to exist?

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Kim M Murphy's avatar

When you suggested Israel should be more concerned about the Palestinians than the Palestinians’ own (elected) government is.

You don’t see Arab nations lining up to protest on behalf of the Palestinians. Don’t you wonder why that is? Nations like Jordan flew defense for Israel when Iran attacked.

Support for Hamas was 40-50% amongst the Palestinian people before the war. The Arab nations (except Iran, which isn’t Arab but gets lumped in all of the time) are going to scapegoat Gaza for this.

Israel’s duty is to defend Israel and that means neutralizing Hamas. The UN has now determined that Hamas vastly overinflated the number of dead, and that 14K of the actual dead were Hamas fighters.

That sounds pretty surgical to me.

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Elizabeth McIlvaine's avatar

Hamas is a terrorist organization that does not care at all about their citizens. I expect everybody to care more about the Palestinians than Hamas does. Half the Palestinian population is under 18, those under 30 were under 12 when Hamas was elected. The majority of the current population did not elect Hamas.

Israel absolutely has a right to defend its right to exist. But if the Israeli government is going to prop up Hamas at the expense of the PA then it has responsibility not to kill so many children, starve the population and withhold medicine and thereby cause so much suffering. Netanyahu arranged for Qatar to fund Hamas with the permission of the Trump administration. The Israeli government ignored intelligence about the terrorist attack on its own citizens while its military protected settlers terrorizing Palestinians in the West Bank. Israel does not have a long term plan for Gaza that promotes peace in the region. Maybe you are right and it will turn out to be surgical when all the evidence is in but it does not look that way so far.

You seem to suggest that all Palestinians are evil so no Arab nations want to take them in. I think that Palestinians are just like Americans and Israelis, mostly good, although Palestinians have harder lives.

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